Infantry Discussion Thread part 11: Gallas Razor edition.

[Purpelia]

Being able to happen doesn't mean it happens. It's like saying lots of people eat bricks because it's possible to eat bricks.

Show me evidence of how many times soldiers did this.

The evidence is the fact that Germany mid war, when fighting for their life, thought it was a big enough issue to necessitate a redesign of the safety mechanism on the MP40. And not just on new units either. They thought it important enough to order a refit on all the units in the field. An effort so great that they newer managed to acomplish it!

[Kassaran]

Being able to happen doesn't mean it happens. It's like saying lots of people eat bricks because it's possible to eat bricks.

Show me evidence of how many times soldiers did this.

The evidence is the fact that Germany mid war, when fighting for their life, thought it was a big enough issue to necessitate a redesign of the safety mechanism on the MP40. And not just on new units either. They thought it important enough to order a refit on all the units in the field. An effort so great that they newer managed to acomplish it!

But that describes like half of all the German plans from WWII tho an we all know where the gigapanzers went... straight to Fordian apologists.

[Purpelia]

The evidence is the fact that Germany mid war, when fighting for their life, thought it was a big enough issue to necessitate a redesign of the safety mechanism on the MP40. And not just on new units either. They thought it important enough to order a refit on all the units in the field. An effort so great that they newer managed to acomplish it!

But that describes like half of all the German plans from WWII tho an we all know where the gigapanzers went... straight to Fordian apologists.

Actually it is the opposite of most German plans of the time. They focused entirely on making things bigger, stronger, larger and than making more of it. And yet here we have the equivalent of a product recall!

Can you imagine if they had say recalled the panther tank to fix the final drive troubles? They should have. But it was like... nope good enough! It works when it don't break down and that's good enough for us.

[Fordorsia]

I'm doubting the usefulness of citing changes the Germans made to cater for trash barely trained soldiers as evidence that discharges like that did happen. I'd expect them to have made that change out of fear that it would happen. But even then they didn't change most of them, and it clearly wasn't enough of an issue to warrant putting more effort into it.

If Ian had a source for saying it was a problem, I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Can you imagine if they had say recalled the panther tank to fix the final drive troubles? They should have. But it was like... nope good enough! It works when it don't break down and that's good enough for us.

> Recalling units to change them

> Changing production lines and tooling as production is happening

Both different things. The Panther went through a slew of recalls and improvement jobs.

Not that it matters, because the whole point of the Panther's and KT's final drive issues was they didn't have the logistics to take them back and replace their shit. Not just because their railways were fucked and the steel available for the final drives were trash, but that all the transmissions with good final drives went to the Jagdpanthers, which still suffered heavily because, surprise surprise, it was more to do with supply line being fucked and an inability to recover broken down vehicles that was the problem, and not the transmissions.

[Cosparia]

Okay, I'm gonna try and change the subject so that us monkeys can stop flinging shit at one another.

I'm still curious as to the purpose of this pouch:

The store labels it as an ammo pouch. "Ammo for what" is my main concern, and I was hoping somebody might have a general idea. Right now, I'm guessing it's for submachine gun magazines, given the vertical stitches along the back, but I'm only 60% confident in that guess. The lack of a side-view picture doesn't exactly help.

[Purpelia]

I'm doubting the usefulness of citing changes the Germans made to cater for trash barely trained soldiers as evidence that discharges like that did happen. I'd expect them to have made that change out of fear that it would happen. But even then they didn't change most of them, and it clearly wasn't enough of an issue to warrant putting more effort into it.

If Ian had a source for saying it was a problem, I wouldn't mind seeing it.

I have already pointed you to my source for this claim. For any further information I would encourage you to go to him directly as both a means of gaining information and ensuring that there is no mistrust inducing interpretation of the data on my part.

[Theodosiya]

Best firing mechanism for Auto Rifle/Assault Rifle/Carbine, LMG, GPMG, HMG, SMG, PDW, DMR and Sniper rifles?

[Husseinarti]

Best firing mechanism for Auto Rifle/Assault Rifle/Carbine, LMG, GPMG, HMG, SMG, PDW, DMR and Sniper rifles?

m16

[Taihei Tengoku]

Okay, I'm gonna try and change the subject so that us monkeys can stop flinging shit at one another.

I'm still curious as to the purpose of this pouch:
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The store labels it as an ammo pouch. "Ammo for what" is my main concern, and I was hoping somebody might have a general idea. Right now, I'm guessing it's for submachine gun magazines, given the vertical stitches along the back, but I'm only 60% confident in that guess. The lack of a side-view picture doesn't exactly help.

Looks like something for the PPS if those back-stitches indicate two internal dividers.

[Theodosiya]

Best firing mechanism for Auto Rifle/Assault Rifle/Carbine, LMG, GPMG, HMG, SMG, PDW, DMR and Sniper rifles?

m16

Need something better than that.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Really? Can I go to basic with contacts?

Yes but you get these in return:



e: But I am a sucker for any meganekko so those glasses might be overly cute tbh.

BCGs are a lot more "normal" nowadays. Unfortunately I did like the old style but I never had to wear them so what do I know

m16

Need something better than that.

Best rifle: m16
Best MG: pkm
Best SMG: whatever's not shit
Best sniper rifle: whatever's not shit

[Slovak Social Republic]

If you were setting up a militia to keep out small gangs and the monthly Taliban squad..., but all you had was: a thousand people spread out in almost a dozen villages inside a 30 mile square area, 50 pickups, around a hundred people who can sew, 250 military age males, and roughly 100,000 USD....

What would the kit be for an average militia member? Would it be better to have a lot of people with crude STEN guns, single barrel shotguns, homemade Makarvos or hunting rifles? Or 1/4 the number of militia but with a decent AK or the like be more effective?

Would it be worth it to try and get Brodie or baseball helmets?

How many rounds would you possibly issue a unit?

[Taihei Tengoku]

At that point it's "whoever's free at the time" and "whatever they show up with."

[Gallia-]

Give them armbands.

No way the Talibs will copy it!

[Taihei Tengoku]

The Taliban is coming from INSIDE THE VILLAGE

[Gallia-]

If there is only one man per village, a village cannot be infiltrated by the Taliban.

Simple!

e: I mean if you had some real ethnic reasons, like this was a Hazara mega-fortress vs. Pashtun child-fuckers, then you might be OK. It would be hard for a Hazara to join a Pashtun-only bacha bazi-cum-shooting club.

[Husseinarti]

m16

Need something better than that.

o
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Auto Rifle/Assault Rifle/Carbine:

LMG:

GPMG:

HMG:

SMG:

PDW

DMR

Sniper rifles

wow look

[Gallia-]

HMG:

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what is this garbage?

[NeuPolska]

HMG:

(Image)

what is this garbage?

The future of warfare

[Sevvania]

This is the "MG" you should be touting:


However, I think Theodosiya's original question was in regards to a particular system (blowback, rotating bolt, etc.), rather than a request for a platform.

Although I suppose the slew of AR variants could be interpreted as an answer of "direct impingement".

[Gallia-]

what is this garbage?

The future of warfare

The "future" doesn't even believe in T&E or computerized IDF. An actual futuristic HMG would have a robotic T&E set that automatically aims at a designated point within its range, designated by an operator sitting a few hundred yards away, and connected by wire to a battery of such weapons.

[Crookfur]

m16

Need something better than that.

Then define what the heck you actually mean...

At the moment it looks you are asking what one system works for all those roles and technically "firing mechanism" really just means striker vs hammer fired...

If you mean what operating mechanism would be best in each seperate case then you should make that clear and to be honest it's a huge bloody question that depends on so factors that it is difficult to answer with anything more than a superficial skimming of the surface or a quick quip.

You have been here long enough that you should have picked up the basics and learned enough to start coming up with your own ideas so why keep asking such huge questions and getting snippy when people don't want to do everything for you?

Whilst trite the answer of M16 isn't terrible as DI can and has worked for all the roles mentioned, well maybe not the SMG as the colt SMG was just straight blowback...

[NeuPolska]

Is there a lot of masturbation in the military?

[Gallia-]

What are you really asking? :3

[NeuPolska]

What are you really asking? :3

Don't be telling me I gotta worry about traps if I sign up Or squad buttfuck buddies for that matter

But like, I mean if you can't take your girlfriend with you on deployment (unless she's your wife), then wtf are you going to do