Infantry Discussion Thread part 11: Gallas Razor edition.

[Cosparia]

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My personal aid kit thing or whatever I guess. This can be a guide or something.

From the top, left to right:

Adult size BP cuff (A gift from my mom :<>)
Five pouch medical bag w/ labels
3 Emergency bandages
Bottle of saline
4 small gauze pads
Package of bandaids
Roll bandage
Eye bandage
Emergency blanket
A bunch of prep-pads
2 Tourniquets
Chest seal
Stethoscope
Sheers
Pens, penlight, pencil
4 Abdominal pads
An gauze sponge
2 ACE bandages
2 SAM splints
2 ice compress
6 nasal airways
nfe
pulse oximeter
2 roll gauze bandages
some cards
ems pocket drug guide
notebook
cpr mask
lube~
oral airways
mask
2 quikclot gauze
safety pins
gloves
asprin
ibuprofen
tylenol

I aspire to assemble something like this for my outdoors gear. Right now all I have is a few general FAKs pieced together from numerous others I've purchased and shoplifted, an old USGI first-aid 4x7 (still in its plastic wrap), and a couple of those Israeli bandages.

And what do you mean by "guide"? Like a guide for a basic squad CLS kit or something?

[Purpelia]

Up until your enemy starts wearing MOPP gear, and you just go back to using explosives.

While you can certainly make such a weapon, chemical weapons usefulness is rather restricted.

I am not a huge fan of them either strictly speaking. But overall your counter point is rather weak. After all, if my use of gas has gotten the enemy to wear MOPP gear on anything resembling a regular basis than I have achieved significant damage to them as a fighting force on that basis alone.

[Allanea]

Up until your enemy starts wearing MOPP gear, and you just go back to using explosives.

While you can certainly make such a weapon, chemical weapons usefulness is rather restricted.

I am not a huge fan of them either strictly speaking. But overall your counter point is rather weak. After all, if my use of gas has gotten the enemy to wear MOPP gear on anything resembling a regular basis than I have achieved significant damage to them as a fighting force on that basis alone.

But at this point you too are wearing MOPP gear.

[Purpelia]

I am not a huge fan of them either strictly speaking. But overall your counter point is rather weak. After all, if my use of gas has gotten the enemy to wear MOPP gear on anything resembling a regular basis than I have achieved significant damage to them as a fighting force on that basis alone.

But at this point you too are wearing MOPP gear.

Yes and no. Some small percentage of my troops that is going to be using these are going to be using it and even than only when they expect to be doing so. The enemy on the other hand does not have the luxury of knowing if they need it or not until they see my men visually which means they have to all wear them all the time.

That in my view is the real benefit of using chemical weapons these days. It's not about killing the actual troops you are throwing it at but forcing the enemy into wearing protective gear and using protective procedures all the time so that when you are not using chemical weapons your troops can attack and defeat more easily a heavily constrained foe.

That's why I say I am not a huge fan of chemical weapons. I find the potential net gain from such a use to be dubious.

[Spirit of Hope]

Up until your enemy starts wearing MOPP gear, and you just go back to using explosives.

While you can certainly make such a weapon, chemical weapons usefulness is rather restricted.

I am not a huge fan of them either strictly speaking. But overall your counter point is rather weak. After all, if my use of gas has gotten the enemy to wear MOPP gear on anything resembling a regular basis I've done far more damage to them than the gas it self ever did.

Accept you are also going to be wearing MOPP gear, because you are also operating in an environment where there will be chemical weapons. You have thus hurt yourself just as much as you have hurt your opponent. This also does not account for the cost of developing and fielding such a weapon, or the dangers of transport or use to your own troops.

But at this point you too are wearing MOPP gear.

Yes and no. Some small percentage of my troops that is going to be using these are going to be using it and even than only when they expect to be doing so. The enemy on the other hand does not have the luxury of knowing if they need it or not until they see my men visually which means they have to all wear them all the time.

Not really. Especially with Phosgene which you only need a gas mask to defeat.

[Vyzhva]

Aren't there some sort of chemical agent which job is to clog up the filters of said gas mask?

[Purpelia]

I am not a huge fan of them either strictly speaking. But overall your counter point is rather weak. After all, if my use of gas has gotten the enemy to wear MOPP gear on anything resembling a regular basis I've done far more damage to them than the gas it self ever did.

Accept you are also going to be wearing MOPP gear, because you are also operating in an environment where there will be chemical weapons. You have thus hurt yourself just as much as you have hurt your opponent. This also does not account for the cost of developing and fielding such a weapon, or the dangers of transport or use to your own troops.

Potentially yes. It all depends on how these proliferate and various other factors such as how capable or willing the enemy is to be using them and how I employ them etc.
But as I said, I find the whole thing to logically plausible enough to contemplate in theory but dubious as far as actual results are concerned. And am certainly not a fan of chemical weapons as effective because of it.

Basically I get the logic and can understand why people would think it would work well enough to defend the logic it self. But I personally disagree that it would be effective these days. Huge fun though if you are playing around with having a chemical arsenal for RP reasons.

[Spirit of Hope]

Aren't there some sort of chemical agent which job is to clog up the filters of said gas mask?

First I'm unaware of any agent that "clogs" the filters, they are only good for a certain amount of time and do have to be replaced after use. During WWI gas masks could be defeated by changing the chemical used in the attack, because often the very early gas masks were limited in the chemicals they countered. I don't believe that is still the case.

Second even if you could, it would be a bad idea, because anything that clogs up filters would clog up your troops filters and make it much harder for them to operate safely.

[Vyzhva]

Aren't there some sort of chemical agent which job is to clog up the filters of said gas mask?

First I'm unaware of any agent that "clogs" the filters, they are only good for a certain amount of time and do have to be replaced after use. During WWI gas masks could be defeated by changing the chemical used in the attack, because often the very early gas masks were limited in the chemicals they countered. I don't believe that is still the case.

Second even if you could, it would be a bad idea, because anything that clogs up filters would clog up your troops filters and make it much harder for them to operate safely.

I guess.

[Crookfur]

Best gas at a small unit tactical level is our old friend carbon monoxide. You can only defend against it with a system with an oxygen supply and you don't notice it's effect until you are pretty much already doomed. Of course the best thing is it is easy to create on target through the magical power of burnination.

[Purpelia]

Best gas at a small unit tactical level is our old friend carbon monoxide. You can only defend against it with a system with an oxygen supply and you don't notice it's effect until you are pretty much already doomed. Of course the best thing is it is easy to create on target through the magical power of burnination.

Unless you are fighting in a relatively enclosed and badly ventilated space (like buildings) though its also going to be incredibly impractical to try and produce enough of it. If you are it's going to be hilariously dangerous.

[Husseinarti]

(Image)

My personal aid kit thing or whatever I guess. This can be a guide or something.

From the top, left to right:

Adult size BP cuff (A gift from my mom :<>)
Five pouch medical bag w/ labels
3 Emergency bandages
Bottle of saline
4 small gauze pads
Package of bandaids
Roll bandage
Eye bandage
Emergency blanket
A bunch of prep-pads
2 Tourniquets
Chest seal
Stethoscope
Sheers
Pens, penlight, pencil
4 Abdominal pads
An gauze sponge
2 ACE bandages
2 SAM splints
2 ice compress
6 nasal airways
nfe
pulse oximeter
2 roll gauze bandages
some cards
ems pocket drug guide
notebook
cpr mask
lube~
oral airways
mask
2 quikclot gauze
safety pins
gloves
asprin
ibuprofen
tylenol

I aspire to assemble something like this for my outdoors gear. Right now all I have is a few general FAKs pieced together from numerous others I've purchased and shoplifted, an old USGI first-aid 4x7 (still in its plastic wrap), and a couple of those Israeli bandages.

And what do you mean by "guide"? Like a guide for a basic squad CLS kit or something?

idk what i meant by guide

[Puzikas]

I mean you have 75% of what you'll need to provide BLS care+treatment in any situation

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

How does the AKM compare with the 74 series? Is it worth making modernized AKMs a la the newer 74Ms?

[Puzikas]

Yes
AK-74M is more better
New model 7.62x39mm ASK patterns are the AK-103 and AK-104

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

(Image)

My personal aid kit thing or whatever I guess. This can be a guide or something.

From the top, left to right:

Adult size BP cuff (A gift from my mom :<>)
Five pouch medical bag w/ labels
3 Emergency bandages
Bottle of saline
4 small gauze pads
Package of bandaids
Roll bandage
Eye bandage
Emergency blanket
A bunch of prep-pads
2 Tourniquets
Chest seal
Stethoscope
Sheers
Pens, penlight, pencil
4 Abdominal pads
An gauze sponge
2 ACE bandages
2 SAM splints
2 ice compress
6 nasal airways
nfe
pulse oximeter
2 roll gauze bandages
some cards
ems pocket drug guide
notebook
cpr mask
lube~
oral airways
mask
2 quikclot gauze
safety pins
gloves
asprin
ibuprofen
tylenol

could tampons be unironically used in place of the quickclot gauze, or would it be better as an addition to it rather than outright replacement

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Yes
AK-74M is more better
New model 7.62x39mm ASK patterns are the AK-103 and AK-104

Are the 7.62mm Soviet and the 5.45mm roughly comparable with the 7.62mm and 5.56mm NATO cartridges? In other words, is the 7.62-pattern AK more suited to longer range fire, shooting through cover & concealment, and other things more generally associated with full-power rifles as opposed to the smaller 5.45mm?

[Crookfur]

Yes
AK-74M is more better
New model 7.62x39mm ASK patterns are the AK-103 and AK-104

Are the 7.62mm Soviet and the 5.45mm roughly comparable with the 7.62mm and 5.56mm NATO cartridges? In other words, is the 7.62-pattern AK more suited to longer range fire, shooting through cover & concealment, and other things more generally associated with full-power rifles as opposed to the smaller 5.45mm?

Not really and its kind of obvious looking at the rifles and the cartridge designations ie 5.45x39mm and 7.62x39mm vs 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm

The russian/soviet 7.62x51mm equivelent is 7.62x54mmR

Its more that 7.62x39mm was a first generation "intermediate" but its still around because of logistical inertia and the fact that it does a few thigns (like penetrate cover) a bit better than its replacement.

[Husseinarti]

(Image)

My personal aid kit thing or whatever I guess. This can be a guide or something.

From the top, left to right:

Adult size BP cuff (A gift from my mom :<>)
Five pouch medical bag w/ labels
3 Emergency bandages
Bottle of saline
4 small gauze pads
Package of bandaids
Roll bandage
Eye bandage
Emergency blanket
A bunch of prep-pads
2 Tourniquets
Chest seal
Stethoscope
Sheers
Pens, penlight, pencil
4 Abdominal pads
An gauze sponge
2 ACE bandages
2 SAM splints
2 ice compress
6 nasal airways
nfe
pulse oximeter
2 roll gauze bandages
some cards
ems pocket drug guide
notebook
cpr mask
lube~
oral airways
mask
2 quikclot gauze
safety pins
gloves
asprin
ibuprofen
tylenol

could tampons be unironically used in place of the quickclot gauze, or would it be better as an addition to it rather than outright replacement

I mean gauze is good when you deal with none gunshot wounds.

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

well yeah but i assume that's what the normal medical grade gauze is for while the quickclot is for gunshot wounds?

[Spreewerke]

If you were going to equip a large militia force with cheap and easy to use firearms, and they are probably never going to actually have to use them for anything other than patrolling civvy areas and looking menacing to deter trouble makers, what would you give them?

I'm leaning towards a 9mm sub-machine good for maximum cheap and fairly easy to use moderately well. But I'm also cautious that it's probably going to be entirely ineffective if it actually has to be used for its intended purpose.

Then there is problem Of, if the militia did have to defend itself against a vaguely organised enemy, an smg isn't gonna cut it at all.

Is there a good balance that isn't an M4?

AK-74 series.

Yes
AK-74M is more better
New model 7.62x39mm ASK patterns are the AK-103 and AK-104

Are the 7.62mm Soviet and the 5.45mm roughly comparable with the 7.62mm and 5.56mm NATO cartridges? In other words, is the 7.62-pattern AK more suited to longer range fire, shooting through cover & concealment, and other things more generally associated with full-power rifles as opposed to the smaller 5.45mm?

5.45x39mm is quite similar to 5.56 NATO. 7.62x39mm is quite similar to .300 Blackout.

[Norcourt]

I made this a while back and I forgot I had it, but, do you guys think this would be practical for infantry use?

(Ignore the Dating of the Firearms)

[Husseinarti]

well yeah but i assume that's what the normal medical grade gauze is for while the quickclot is for gunshot wounds?

The quikclot is for any major hemorrhaging.

[Spreewerke]

>any injury ever
>not just applying a neck TQ

[Puzikas]

Now that's a shitpost