Infantry Discussion Thread part 11: Gallas Razor edition.

[Free-Don]

You seem to be totally not understanding why hes issuing them and fixated on like one dumb issue.

He is issuing them on the basis that the round has excellent body armor penetration abilities and recoil compensation. The rifle is issued so infantry can his it from the hip effectively to allow for better close-in fighting ability.

The assault squads aren't supposed to engage infantry squads at the ranges the infantry are going to be using their rifles at, the assault squads are supposed to close in and engage as close as possible. The MG and RR squads are supposed to engage at distances. You need to understand that these are highly specialized troops, a single highly niche assault regiment in an entire army. You also need to understand the overall concept that the squad is not the primary fighting force thats being described here. It is the platoon.

specialized guns specialized people. Not arguing against the existence and their use (warning do not watch if P90s trigger you). Rather is seems strange to have a assault rifle and rather than employing shorter carbines he seems to jump to PDW/SMG. Which means a different manual of arms, different munitions, different carrying stuff, etc.

Our friend also doesn't have a factbook I can look at or explanation of who might be using said pistol shooty stick. But then again 8mm storming sticks are pretty hefty so one or two pistol sticks wouldn't be too bad for a squad.

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it's this ofc

Something about Wall-E

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Realizing I fucked up trying to ask a question: Steel cased ammo as standard yay or nay?

[Averland-Jorland]

Stosstrupen!

Jaegerregiment No.6:

• Regimental HQ
• 1st Assault Battalion
• 2nd Assault Battalion
• 3rd Assault Battalion
• 4th Assault Battalion
• 5th Tank Battalion
• 6th Artillery Battalion
• 7th Artillery Battalion
• Assault Pioneer Platoon
• Reconnaissance Company
• Signal Company
• NBC Company
• Supply Company
• Maintenance Company
• Medical Platoon

Sturmbataillon:

• Battalion HQ
• 1st Assault Company
• 2nd Assault Company
• 3rd Assault Company
• 4th Assault Company
• Weapons Company
• Heavy Mortar Battery
• Anti-tank Platoon
• Air Defense Platoon
• Signal Platoon
• Supply Platoon

Sturmkompanie

• Battalion HQ
• 1st Assault Platoon
• 2nd Assault Platoon
• 3rd Assault Platoon
• 4th Assault Platoon
• Weapons Platoon
• Mortar Battery

Assault Platoon

• Platoon HQ
• Assault Squad
• Assault Squad
• Assault Squad
• MG Squad
• Recoilless Rifle Squad

Assault Squad

• Squad Leader
• Rifleman
• Rifleman
• Assistant Squad Leader
• Rifleman
• Rifleman
• Team Leader
• Rifleman
• Rifleman

Jaeger Regiment No. 6 is a unique Jaeger unit of the Austrasian Reichsarmee intended for pre-planned attacks on battlefield strong points. The regiment is not intended to be deployed en bloc but as battalion or company sized forces wherever their services are needed. The regiment and its troops have unique organization, tactics and equipment which is distinct both from other Jaeger infantry and Panzer infantry and reflects their special battlefield role. Though they normally enter battle in APCs (which are not organic to the regiment) like all Jaegers the No. 6 Regiment trains and fights almost exclusively on foot. The No. 6 Regiments training is considered especially demanding because men are expected to not only excel at light infantry tactics but also be familiar with the basics of combat engineering and obstacle breeching. They are the only unit in the modern Reichsarmee granted the honor of wearing the Deaths Head insignia on their uniforms signifying their role as storm troopers.

Their signature arms are the assault rifle (a functional not technical designation, the standard infantry assault rifle is merely called a rifle), a micro-caliber (5.5x30mm) assault rifle intended for controlled automatic fire from the hip at short range, and modified short-fuse (3 seconds) grenades. During an attack assault squads dismount as close as possible to their target then advance swiftly in short bounds under cover of their weapons squads. Making use of cover they infiltrate as deeply into the defended area as possible, outflanking strong points whenever possible, before attacking and destroying them at close range with hand grenades and automatic fire.

Because breaking through dense anti-tank defenses is one of their main roles the No. 6 Regiment trains regularly with the Panzer troops, who also provide the personnel carriers.

This is nice. All it needs is handheld atomic weapons.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Realizing I fucked up trying to ask a question: Steel cased ammo as standard yay or nay?

If it's good enough for france it's good enough for you.

[Austrasien]

San became me.

specialized guns specialized people. Not arguing against the existence and their use (warning do not watch if P90s trigger you). Rather is seems strange to have a assault rifle and rather than employing shorter carbines he seems to jump to PDW/SMG. Which means a different manual of arms, different munitions, different carrying stuff, etc.

Our friend also doesn't have a factbook I can look at or explanation of who might be using said pistol shooty stick. But then again 8mm storming sticks are pretty hefty so one or two pistol sticks wouldn't be too bad for a squad.

Who uses it is literally in the name. Sturmgewehr, assault rifle. Rifle of the assault troops.

The standard infantry calibre and standard infantry rifle were rejected because the standard infantry rifle calibre is 6.5x49mm (roughly equivalent to the 6.5x47mm Lapua) and is too heavy and powerful for the assault troops requirements. The prior standard, 8x38mm, didn't meet penetration requirements. SCHV was basically skipped over by the Armee because the squads base of fire was still in the 60s and 70s doctrinally a GPMG and the gains from switching infantry rifles from 8x38mm to a smaller calibre were not seen as warranting the cost.

[Husseinarti]

I more or less had the same concept idea of a lightweight PDW to replace as many pistols as possible and also possibly supplement assault rifles for mechanized troops.

[Austrasien]

The assault troops Sturmgewehr, but with a folding stock, was also adopted as a verteidigungswehr - defence rifle - for issuance to vehicle crews, aircrews and other second-line troops who similarly would not need a rifle. Though it is replacing a 4.5x29mm automatic pistol which was originally adopted to replace older 9mm pistols until it was belatedly realized that automatic pistols are kind of impractical for most shooters.

[Puzikas]

The use of the smaller calibers like 5.56 MARS is a really weird issue. On one hand you have the lighter weight and a totally negligable recoil: 5.56 MARS will generate a recoil impulse of 3j flat from a 7lb rifle, which is ~27% less than an M16A2s and ~20% less than 5.45.

But the question is, can a cartridge like 5.56 MARS throw a bullet of usable mass and design at a velocity sufficient to penetrate armour? We know from rounds like 5.7FN that they can punch above their weight class at sub-50m ranges, but can they do it at combat distances?

To Kyivs end this is a useless question. These are assault troops, literal modern stroßtruppe who engage in close combat outside of normal infantry ranges, where volume of fire suddenly has an exponential effect, and even smaller rounds are still effective against targets in armour at such ranges.


The principal weapon of the stormtrooper-at least, as they were used in WWI-was the grenade. In Storm of Steel, Ernst Jünger details his kit as being a revolver, specifically the Reichs-Commissions-Revolver Modell 1879 with 18 (6+12) cartridges, a knife, cudgel, and 8 grenades. A book I have on Stroßtruppes go into more detail, but having huge amounts of grenades is universal across all nations that used similar tactics: some German units carried two pistols, some carried carbines. British carried pistols and clubs. Americans carried axes, trench guns with bayonets, pistols, and in some cases literal baseball bats. Italians had daggers, carbines and pistols. But universally, they all carried about four to five times their numbers in grenades, and EVERYONE carried at least two.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Suddenly I recall my earlier TT squads with thirteen men and three GM-94

[Puzikas]

GM-94 is coo
In some cases yeah it throws fragments and you get a 10-15m lethal area but the thermobaric grenades were intended for use in confined spaces to a degree, which is cool.

The vest is even cooler.

[Gallia-]

The assault troops Sturmgewehr, but with a folding stock, was also adopted as a verteidigungswehr - defence rifle - for issuance to vehicle crews, aircrews and other second-line troops who similarly would not need a rifle. Though it is replacing a 4.5x29mm automatic pistol which was originally adopted to replace older 9mm pistols until it was belatedly realized that automatic pistols are kind of impractical for most shooters.

I'm still unsure which direction Galla goes with its "PDW". Mostly because it has M231 FPW with an actual stock and heat guard that can be used as a SMG, so truck drivers and tankers can be packing the same amount of heat as a combat infantryman in something about as small as a M16-alike can get.

I think I just gave second-line troops M4 carbines while aircrews have break apart M16 survival rifles built into the butts of their seats or sth.

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

Alemannia "PDW" is just a TKB-022

e: lasted 47 pages, rip me

[Taihei Tengoku]

Alemannia "PDW" is just a TKB-022

e: lasted 47 pages, rip me

TT "every weapon" is TKB-022

[Austrasien]

#SWAG



I didn't get to sperg much about the granaten, but some grenades for sturming:

Blast: Can-shaped with a friction pin igniter, 3.5-second delay. Non-fragmenting plastic body and multiphase blast (dense inert metal) fill. Optional plastic handle. Relatively safe to use in the open, very lethal at short range.
Frag: Spherical with pre-formed fragment matrix for optimum fragmentation. The same fuse as blast grenades. Plastic tossing stick optional.
Shaped Charge: Essentially an anti-tank grenade with a reactive material liner. Thrown at things which cannot be thrown over, under or through. Natural enemy of walls. Impact fused.

[Western Pacific Territories]

[Ord Caprica]

yay Marines!!

[Puzikas]

That dude fucked up.
I made one of my fucking smartass recruits carry around a Kornet tube for 7 weeks (inert) and that's about the only reason I'd see someone carrying a fucking tube around in mess like that.

[Gallia-]

#SWAG

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I didn't get to sperg much about the granaten, but some grenades for sturming:

Blast: Can-shaped with a friction pin igniter, 3.5-second delay. Non-fragmenting plastic body and multiphase blast (dense inert metal) fill. Optional plastic handle. Relatively safe to use in the open, very lethal at short range.
Frag: Spherical with pre-formed fragment matrix for optimum fragmentation. The same fuse as blast grenades. Plastic tossing stick optional.
Shaped Charge: Essentially an anti-tank grenade with a reactive material liner. Thrown at things which cannot be thrown over, under or through. Natural enemy of walls. Impact fused.

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are there gas grenades?

[Western Pacific Territories]

That dude fucked up.
I made one of my fucking smartass recruits carry around a Kornet tube for 7 weeks (inert) and that's about the only reason I'd see someone carrying a fucking tube around in mess like that.

Hey, you never know. Doesn't it suck when your platoon of Marines is at the mess hall and a armored enemy attack penetrates the FOB?

[Puzikas]

Because that happens so often at XXIX Palms
And is totally usable without the CLU.

[Austrasien]

are there gas grenades?

Yes, but they are not very common. The delayed effects of most chemical agents are considered a significant liability. It is considered preferable to deploy chemical agents during the preparatory fire phase most of the time.

The oldest is the "nettle" grenade which dispenses phosgene oxime, notable for causing immediate and unbearable pain on contact with skin. Turns virtually everyone it touches into a casualty and there is no preventative treatment or antidote, so it is highly effective against troops without full chemical suits. On the downside, it cannot be used safely without donning full chemical suits. Is also an unstable, corrosive chemical so its use must be planned well in advance.

There is also a "knockout" grenade that dispenses a fentanyl-derived aerosol. Originally meant for counter-terrorist actions, but it proved a bit too good at knocking people out forever, so it was retained as a chemical weapon. Liked because it is fast acting, can be absorbed through the skin and its sedative effects dull the targets thinking and actions even at very low doses. There is also an antidote available which makes it somewhat safer to use.

[Kazarogkai]

That dude fucked up.
I made one of my fucking smartass recruits carry around a Kornet tube for 7 weeks (inert) and that's about the only reason I'd see someone carrying a fucking tube around in mess like that.

I knew you were a soldier but you were a drill sergeant or something of the like too? From conscript to doctor, could write a book about that. lol

[Puzikas]

I was never a conscript, I enlisted, like a good soldier.

I was designated a sergeant in '94, and lead an infantry unit '94-97 until moving to an annoying rank that exists only on paper now, where I began instructing Infantry tactics and units at training facilitys along officer-aspirants.
I never got a commission because I wanted to go into medicine.

[Free-Don]

San became me.

Who uses it is literally in the name. Sturmgewehr, assault rifle. Rifle of the assault troops.

I need to work on better communication. I was trying to agree and I was looking at doing a similar thing with my stuff as well. Sorry.

[Theodosiya]

Any info on rifle barrel length, effects, etc? Like, 20' inch standard and 24' inch DMR. And also type, like free floating. Kinda wanted to Google, but you guys are way more knowledgeable in this.

[Fordorsia]

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Neat. Nice to know I had the idea for this kind of grenade a while ago, having zero idea that it was actually done. RIP my dreams

Edit: Just remembered by first grenade design. A stick grenade with a knife at the end for sticking into the target. Oh how my genius has faded over the years.