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Postby Gallia- » Sun May 10, 2020 1:42 pm

he is a giant lynx (about the size of a cougar) and he WRASSLE

he is also a pack animal like a lion so he ends up reasonably domesticated after a few thousand years

in hindsight it might be bad if you want to actually like get dudes who arent going to be mutilated or w/e but idk dogs are pretty bad at that too but theyre just dumb and dont know how to stop biting lmao

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Postby Eisarnathiuda » Sun May 10, 2020 2:27 pm

Kassaran wrote:tbh, I'd probably go with a sliver-shooter style weapon. Perforated mag-slivers which get broken off according to the designated target and distance. Then they get slung out via gauss effect at hypersonic speeds, impacting with the effects simulated by an onboard weapons ballistic computer.



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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Sun May 10, 2020 2:49 pm

Theodosiya wrote:Magnetically accelerated 5.56x45/6.8x53mm SCHV rifle in 23th century? With RIS and bayonet too.

You could go with any caliber you wanted. A railgun or coilgun type rifle is going to have fairly high muzzle velocities, so I'd choose a relatively light projectile to keep recoil under control. You don't want your soldiers to break their shoulders when they fire their weapons. There is also the question of weight. It's going to take a bit of battery power to operate the weapon so you may want to limit its use to a sort of heavy weapon or sniper implement and issue regular riflemen with something semi-conventional, like an ETC rifle. You could also employ rails like on modern weapons to attach grips, lights, lasers, and other attachments but I'm not sure how practical a bayonet would be. Given the present course of armor development, it is feasible that by the 23rd Century, powered armor exoskeletons would be commonplace, rendering traditional bayonets useless. You would therefore have to design a bayonet that could pierce armor designed to defeat high velocity rounds probably made out of high density materials like tungsten or depleted uranium. Then there is the question of cost. A coilgun is probably going to be more expensive than more conventional firearms, leading to a reasonable argument against widespread adoption. There is also the issue of energy efficiency, since that would have a direct impact on the number of shots able to be fired before the power supply would need to be recharged.

In short, you could do it. You could do it with any caliber round you desired. But there are a lot of things to consider before you do decide to adopt a coilgun rifle. It might be more practical to employ a different weapon instead.
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Postby Arroyo-Abeille » Sun May 10, 2020 3:23 pm

I use only G11 but mine is special because It is teh best gun ever.
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Postby Eisarnathiuda » Sun May 10, 2020 3:32 pm

Arroyo-Abeille wrote:I use only G11 but mine is special because It is teh best gun ever.



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Postby Cisairse » Mon May 11, 2020 11:28 pm

Cisairse primarily fields the AK-103 as its primary rifle and AK-104 as its primary carbine, but plans on transitioning to the AK-109 slowly.
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Postby Dayganistan » Fri May 29, 2020 8:17 am

So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?
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Postby Post War America » Fri May 29, 2020 8:30 am

Dayganistan wrote:So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?


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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri May 29, 2020 8:43 am

Dayganistan wrote:So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?

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Postby Dayganistan » Fri May 29, 2020 11:02 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?

51 mm - section

I've always been confused about that since I know France does it. What does the LGI F1 do that an underslung 40mm launcher can't?
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri May 29, 2020 12:45 pm

Dayganistan wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:51 mm - section

I've always been confused about that since I know France does it. What does the LGI F1 do that an underslung 40mm launcher can't?


High angle fire and generally speaking better range.
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Postby Immoren » Fri May 29, 2020 2:01 pm

Dayganistan wrote:So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?


Why wouldn't Vasilek crews wear infantry green?
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Postby Gallia- » Fri May 29, 2020 2:06 pm

Dayganistan wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:51 mm - section

I've always been confused about that since I know France does it. What does the LGI F1 do that an underslung 40mm launcher can't?


Nothing, really, France is just weird.

It's not worse than 40mm either, though.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Fri May 29, 2020 2:44 pm

Dayganistan wrote:So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?

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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri May 29, 2020 2:47 pm

Does teaching troops and junior officers the Illiad help with motivation?
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Postby Gallia- » Fri May 29, 2020 3:01 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:So where do different sizes of mortars live in infantry units typically? I'm under the assumption of the following:

60mm - platoon
81mm - company
120mm- battalion

Is that generally correct? What about systems like the Vasilek, would that still be in infantry formations or probably go to artillery units?

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Postby Purpelia » Fri May 29, 2020 3:40 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Does teaching troops and junior officers the Illiad help with motivation?

It would certainly make them more cultured. Which can only be a good thing.
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Postby Post War America » Fri May 29, 2020 3:58 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Does teaching troops and junior officers the Illiad help with motivation?


I mean, if you're into an entire chapter of your war books being dedicated to one of protagonists putting on shiny new duds, I guess its not terrible.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri May 29, 2020 4:08 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Does teaching troops and junior officers the Illiad help with motivation?

It would certainly make them more cultured. Which can only be a good thing.


The Illiad is about as cultured as the Simpsons or something I guess, at least these days. You can read it for free on your cellphone.

Actual reasons for the objectively useless classical educations of the old aristocrats of Eton and Oxford is the same reason why elites in Yale and Harvard today study gender studies and clinical psychology: it's a way of getting ahead and proving your worth to a group, as well as some modicum of determination, and it's "hard" to get into these places i.e. you need to know the right people. The same reason old aristocrats read Homer and Herodotus without any backing knowledge to make it useful is the same reason new aristocrats read Foucault and Derrida without any backing knowledge to make it useful, it serves as a disincentive to move away from the party line and keeps you in lock step. If your army is a cult then go ahead.

OTOH teaching troops and junior officers how to fight is far better than making read some dumb old book.

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Postby Cisairse » Fri May 29, 2020 4:49 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Does teaching troops and junior officers the Illiad help with motivation?


Everyone should be taught the Iliad
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Postby Gallia- » Fri May 29, 2020 4:54 pm

Post War America wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Does teaching troops and junior officers the Illiad help with motivation?


I mean, if you're into an entire chapter of your war books being dedicated to one of protagonists putting on shiny new duds, I guess its not terrible.


The Illiad was the first technothriller.

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Postby Post War America » Fri May 29, 2020 5:20 pm

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I mean, if you're into an entire chapter of your war books being dedicated to one of protagonists putting on shiny new duds, I guess its not terrible.


The Illiad was the first technothriller.


It was also a Prequel to Metal Gear Solid given the definitely not a stealth mission chapter.
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