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by Pentaga Giudici » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:18 pm
by Husseinarti » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:57 pm
by Manokan Republic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:18 am
Pentaga Giudici wrote:Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?
>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun
Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?
I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?
by Gallia- » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:31 am
Pentaga Giudici wrote:Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?
>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun
Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?
I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?
by Triplebaconation » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:26 am
by Gallia- » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:31 am
by Crookfur » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:23 am
Manokan Republic wrote:Pentaga Giudici wrote:Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?
>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun
Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?
I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?
The main issue is weight and cost, barrels are heavy and expensive. The other issue is that the design is simpler with one barrel, to have one barrel which a bolt interacts with. A slide locking gun would be too ridiculous with multiple barrels, and not really provide any kind of obvious advantage. The only guns which benefit from multiple barrels also have multiple operating systems, such as double barrel shotguns, two semiautomatic guns side by side, a minigun and so on. You can't get away with just a different barrel, you need a different operating system and bolt too, so this doesn't offer any kind of obvious advantage.
by Manokan Republic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:56 am
Crookfur wrote:Manokan Republic wrote:The main issue is weight and cost, barrels are heavy and expensive. The other issue is that the design is simpler with one barrel, to have one barrel which a bolt interacts with. A slide locking gun would be too ridiculous with multiple barrels, and not really provide any kind of obvious advantage. The only guns which benefit from multiple barrels also have multiple operating systems, such as double barrel shotguns, two semiautomatic guns side by side, a minigun and so on. You can't get away with just a different barrel, you need a different operating system and bolt too, so this doesn't offer any kind of obvious advantage.
He means a pistol where the action is locked by the barrel itself rotating, ala beretta cougar and GSh-18, rather than a rotary barrel system.
PG:
As said they work and as for the various volkspistole projects I suspect that it was tried as such a system can be made with relatively few parts for a locked breach action and of those parts there are less that need to be machined. IIRC the volkpistole projects that actually got contracts ended up just being some sort of blowback.
Again as has been said a suppressor that slips onto a QD mount that includes a compensator (or other muzzle device like a brake) should work fine.
by New Visayan Islands » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:21 am
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:28 am
New Visayan Islands wrote:Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.
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Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Do 17 year old males make bad infantrymen?
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by Crookfur » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:01 am
New Visayan Islands wrote:Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.
by New Visayan Islands » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:03 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:New Visayan Islands wrote:Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.
But warum? A KPVT or M2HB fires the same exact ammo as a modern anti-materiel rifle.
Crookfur wrote:New Visayan Islands wrote:Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.
It's been done with stuff all the way up to the NTE-20 and truvelo 20x110mm rifles.
But outside of specialist applications like EOD why, as already asked, bother? As you can also fit a HMG, AGL or light cannon on the same mount?
by Triplebaconation » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:43 am
by Puzikas » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:41 pm
Sevvania wrote:I don't post much, but I am always here.
Usually waiting for Puz ;-;
by Gallia- » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:43 pm
by Triplebaconation » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:07 pm
Puzikas wrote:I mean if you're a scout platoon and you want to like, snipe a radio station or a RADAR or anything I guess but generally yea you're better set mounting an AGL or an M2 or DShK or a KPV?
Or like a 20mm cannon if you don't mind having manuver space issues.
The US made some low recoil 30mm abomination whos name dtn will inevitably post shortly that was for the humvee. It didn't go anywhere. An jnherit problem of cannons of things like light tactical vehicles is always ammunition volume. Iirc you can fit like 600 rounds of 12.7x99mm in the same space as like 200 rounds of 20x110HS plus the size and mass of the gun.
Really there's a limited spectrum of threats a 20mm can deal with that a 12.7 cannot, and most of those can be solved with two 12.7s, especially if they're firing the Gucci brand SLAP or Mk. 36042069 or whatever with it's SAPHE payload.
14.5x114 suffers a similar issue of being fucking huge and for like 600 rounds of 12.7x108 you can only have like 400 14.5x114. you do get a gun that sounds absolutely badass and can handle anything short of a heavy IFV or MBT I guess, but honestly not super worth it on something like a HMMWV or a Vodnik or whatever your flavor of the week trucc is.
by Puzikas » Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:40 pm
Gallia- wrote:ASP-30.
It means Automatic Self Powered IIRC but his only military consideration by DOD was for airfield defense against BMD in lieu of the Mk 19/.50 cal combo used by USAF SFs.
Sevvania wrote:I don't post much, but I am always here.
Usually waiting for Puz ;-;
by Cisairse » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:20 pm
by Austrasien » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:47 pm
Cisairse wrote:Is it conceivable that in a total war you will have more manpower casualties than rifle casualties
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