Infantry Discussion Thread part 11: Gallas Razor edition.

[Pentaga Giudici]

Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?

>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun

Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?

I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?

[Husseinarti]

coy

[Manokan Republic]

Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?

>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun

Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?

I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?

The main issue is weight and cost, barrels are heavy and expensive. The other issue is that the design is simpler with one barrel, to have one barrel which a bolt interacts with. A slide locking gun would be too ridiculous with multiple barrels, and not really provide any kind of obvious advantage. The only guns which benefit from multiple barrels also have multiple operating systems, such as double barrel shotguns, two semiautomatic guns side by side, a minigun and so on. You can't get away with just a different barrel, you need a different operating system and bolt too, so this doesn't offer any kind of obvious advantage.

[Gallia-]

Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?

>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun

Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?

I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?

A silencer and a compensator do the opposite of each other.

[Triplebaconation]

You can combine them.

Rotating barrels are fine.

[Gallia-]

TBF I'd figure a silencer would do both jobs appreciably well, since it contains the muzzle flare.

Then again there's the NWSC thing that has like vents or something on the front I guess.

[Crookfur]

Do the people here know enough about pistols with rotating barrels?

>In before someone tells me they are terrible because of the Colt Offensive Handgun

Are there any downsides to having a comp and then having a suppressor install over a comp?

I know that multiple handguns meant to fire +P or +P+ ammo have rotating barrels, but why did the German Volkpistol have a rotating barrel? Does it make the handgun simpler?

The main issue is weight and cost, barrels are heavy and expensive. The other issue is that the design is simpler with one barrel, to have one barrel which a bolt interacts with. A slide locking gun would be too ridiculous with multiple barrels, and not really provide any kind of obvious advantage. The only guns which benefit from multiple barrels also have multiple operating systems, such as double barrel shotguns, two semiautomatic guns side by side, a minigun and so on. You can't get away with just a different barrel, you need a different operating system and bolt too, so this doesn't offer any kind of obvious advantage.

He means a pistol where the action is locked by the barrel itself rotating, ala beretta cougar and GSh-18, rather than a rotary barrel system.

PG:
As said they work and as for the various volkspistole projects I suspect that it was tried as such a system can be made with relatively few parts for a locked breach action and of those parts there are less that need to be machined. IIRC the volkpistole projects that actually got contracts ended up just being some sort of blowback.
Again as has been said a suppressor that slips onto a QD mount that includes a compensator (or other muzzle device like a brake) should work fine.

[Manokan Republic]

The main issue is weight and cost, barrels are heavy and expensive. The other issue is that the design is simpler with one barrel, to have one barrel which a bolt interacts with. A slide locking gun would be too ridiculous with multiple barrels, and not really provide any kind of obvious advantage. The only guns which benefit from multiple barrels also have multiple operating systems, such as double barrel shotguns, two semiautomatic guns side by side, a minigun and so on. You can't get away with just a different barrel, you need a different operating system and bolt too, so this doesn't offer any kind of obvious advantage.

He means a pistol where the action is locked by the barrel itself rotating, ala beretta cougar and GSh-18, rather than a rotary barrel system.

PG:
As said they work and as for the various volkspistole projects I suspect that it was tried as such a system can be made with relatively few parts for a locked breach action and of those parts there are less that need to be machined. IIRC the volkpistole projects that actually got contracts ended up just being some sort of blowback.
Again as has been said a suppressor that slips onto a QD mount that includes a compensator (or other muzzle device like a brake) should work fine.

Ahh! Well then I guess there's nothing wrong with it then, the GHS-18 is great. It's more complex of an action than a blowback, but otherwise there's no reason why it would fail. It's not all that different from a rotating bolt, which reduces how forceful the blowback action is, which is why many guns have rotating bolts. In theory it can reduce the mass needed for the gun and the felt recoil, and with the barrel not moving up and down or laterally as much, it can be more accurate, although with a semiautomatic handgun at close range it's not that much of an improvement.

[New Visayan Islands]

Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.

But warum? A KPVT or M2HB fires the same exact ammo as a modern anti-materiel rifle.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Do 17 year old males make bad infantrymen?

[The Manticoran Empire]

Do 17 year old males make bad infantrymen?

Not particularly. Why do you ask?

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Do 17 year old males make bad infantrymen?

Not particularly. Why do you ask?

Ages for active service. Thanks for answering.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Not particularly. Why do you ask?

Ages for active service. Thanks for answering.

I'd argue that you start military service at 20. 17 year olds are better served finishing their education.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Ages for active service. Thanks for answering.

I'd argue that you start military service at 20. 17 year olds are better served finishing their education.

Maybe but Sharifistan is an agricultural society set in 2021 (In 2020 it was an industrial society and a petrostate but war destroyed much of that). They don't need much schooling to guard crops and cattle from thieves and if they graduate high school and get NCO status then after leaving they can supervise the farm-workers.

[Crookfur]

Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.

It's been done with stuff all the way up to the NTE-20 and truvelo 20x110mm rifles.

But outside of specialist applications like EOD why, as already asked, bother? As you can also fit a HMG, AGL or light cannon on the same mount?

[New Visayan Islands]

Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.

But warum? A KPVT or M2HB fires the same exact ammo as a modern anti-materiel rifle.

Hypothetically, would it be feasible to mount an anti-materiel rifle on a pintle mount of say, a Humvee? The idea crossed my mind when I was building up a worksheet that contained the TO&E of a Visayan Infantry Brigade.

It's been done with stuff all the way up to the NTE-20 and truvelo 20x110mm rifles.

But outside of specialist applications like EOD why, as already asked, bother? As you can also fit a HMG, AGL or light cannon on the same mount?

Vehicle assigned to the sniper squad of an infantry battalion's scout platoon, which apparently belongs to the battalion HQ/HQ Company if I'm reading the 2012 version of FKSM right.

[Triplebaconation]

It'd just have a machine gun or something on it.

[Puzikas]

I mean if you're a scout platoon and you want to like, snipe a radio station or a RADAR or anything I guess but generally yea you're better set mounting an AGL or an M2 or DShK or a KPV?

Or like a 20mm cannon if you don't mind having manuver space issues.

The US made some low recoil 30mm abomination whos name dtn will inevitably post shortly that was for the humvee. It didn't go anywhere. An jnherit problem of cannons of things like light tactical vehicles is always ammunition volume. Iirc you can fit like 600 rounds of 12.7x99mm in the same space as like 200 rounds of 20x110HS plus the size and mass of the gun.
Really there's a limited spectrum of threats a 20mm can deal with that a 12.7 cannot, and most of those can be solved with two 12.7s, especially if they're firing the Gucci brand SLAP or Mk. 36042069 or whatever with it's SAPHE payload.

14.5x114 suffers a similar issue of being fucking huge and for like 600 rounds of 12.7x108 you can only have like 400 14.5x114. you do get a gun that sounds absolutely badass and can handle anything short of a heavy IFV or MBT I guess, but honestly not super worth it on something like a HMMWV or a Vodnik or whatever your flavor of the week trucc is.

[Gallia-]

ASP-30.

It means Automatic Self Powered IIRC but his only military consideration by DOD was for airfield defense against BMD in lieu of the Mk 19/.50 cal combo used by USAF SFs.

[Santheres]

Quick note that the same directions given here will apply to this thread as well.

[Triplebaconation]

I mean if you're a scout platoon and you want to like, snipe a radio station or a RADAR or anything I guess but generally yea you're better set mounting an AGL or an M2 or DShK or a KPV?

Or like a 20mm cannon if you don't mind having manuver space issues.

The US made some low recoil 30mm abomination whos name dtn will inevitably post shortly that was for the humvee. It didn't go anywhere. An jnherit problem of cannons of things like light tactical vehicles is always ammunition volume. Iirc you can fit like 600 rounds of 12.7x99mm in the same space as like 200 rounds of 20x110HS plus the size and mass of the gun.
Really there's a limited spectrum of threats a 20mm can deal with that a 12.7 cannot, and most of those can be solved with two 12.7s, especially if they're firing the Gucci brand SLAP or Mk. 36042069 or whatever with it's SAPHE payload.

14.5x114 suffers a similar issue of being fucking huge and for like 600 rounds of 12.7x108 you can only have like 400 14.5x114. you do get a gun that sounds absolutely badass and can handle anything short of a heavy IFV or MBT I guess, but honestly not super worth it on something like a HMMWV or a Vodnik or whatever your flavor of the week trucc is.

Too complicated for me. Snipers are really a substitute for mounted mgs/cannons in places where truccs can't go. A sniper truck is just the worst of both worlds.

[Puzikas]

Sniper trucc is cursed and sounds like a Red Alert unit or smthn

I agree with you ofc

ASP-30.

It means Automatic Self Powered IIRC but his only military consideration by DOD was for airfield defense against BMD in lieu of the Mk 19/.50 cal combo used by USAF SFs.

Lmao ASP like ASP-Y
Just like all of US weapons development of doesn't understand social cues and needs supervision from specialized care givers

BMD 2 strunk
Will clap your ass with Konkurs

[Cisairse]

Is it conceivable that in a total war you will have more manpower casualties than rifle casualties

[Austrasien]

Is it conceivable that in a total war you will have more manpower casualties than rifle casualties

yeah that is normal