Infantry Discussion Thread part 11: Gallas Razor edition.

[Kazarogkai]

Bro he's greek their short as hell.. Now if he was depicting a Nilo-Saharan then you might have a point.

he's actually afro-hyperborean so he really do be like that

Compared to full plate, do yo not see how big those holes are?

yeah theyre big enough to let a bullet through lol

Those are pretty thick bullets, I don't know if they would to be honest.

[Puzikas]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallan Systems

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Nominee: Giant Meteor 2020

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Nominee: Messr. End it All, Just

We dont vote lol

[Triplebaconation]

Compared to full plate, do yo not see how big those holes are? Also last I checked they didn't usually wear quilted armour underneath their chain mail, it would again be way too hot. What clothing they did wear was either really thin wool or probably cotton and in rare cases linen which were designed to be worn in hot climates such as where the Sudanese would be running around in.

You should check again. The Sudanese jibbah, worn alone or with under mail, was quilted cotton, usually stuffed with kapok. This is the archetypal Northern African armor.

Nobody has ever seriously worn mail without substantial padding, let alone marched in it.

In terms of said walking speed I'm basing that on oft repeated statistics nothing more. The usual legend is they could march 50 in a day but again I doubt it was more than ~30 maybe 40 on a good day.

You're thinking of this in very simplistic terms. The speed of an army has very little do with how fit they are or how much they're carrying if they're marching longer than a day or so. The speed of armies that live off the land like Zulus will vary depending on the size of the force. The larger the force the slower they'll move as they have to send foraging parties out farther. A small band of Zulus could move quickly indeed. Thousands will average about ten miles a day just like every other foot army in history. They could move a bit faster within the Zulu heartland since there was a system of supply depots.

Finally Bitch please I've seen children make that crap. Complex my ass. Were not talking good quality European style riveted mail too, the stuff they find around these parts is basically all butted which is orders of a magnitude easier albeit less effective.

Again, you're thinking of this in a very simplistic way. Do you know what the word "infrastructure" means?

The average height of a Classical Greek was probably about 5' 6".

[Gallia-]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallan Systems

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Giant Meteor 2020

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Messr. End it All, Just

We dont vote lol

ok

[Theodosiya]

Magnetically accelerated 5.56x45/6.8x53mm SCHV rifle in 23th century? With RIS and bayonet too.

[Austrasien]

Magnetically accelerated 5.56x45/6.8x53mm SCHV rifle in 23th century? With RIS and bayonet too.

should be 6.5mm

[Kassaran]

tbh, I'd probably go with a sliver-shooter style weapon. Perforated mag-slivers which get broken off according to the designated target and distance. Then they get slung out via gauss effect at hypersonic speeds, impacting with the effects simulated by an onboard weapons ballistic computer.

[Theodosiya]

Magnetically accelerated 5.56x45/6.8x53mm SCHV rifle in 23th century? With RIS and bayonet too.

should be 6.5mm

Fair enough. A Carcano with much better material and propellant than we have right now, coupled with magnetic acceleration could make a nice bullet. At least maybe better than Mass Effect guns, or WH40K Flashlight and Bolter in realism.

[Immoren]

I was listening to podcast about special forces in Finland and they mentioned testing electrically assisted bikes as mobility enhancements. I know they can probably be functional asset and I've defended military application of bikes, but somehow still idea of SF soldier on e-bike gave me chuckle.

[Theodosiya]

I was listening to podcast about special forces in Finland and they mentioned testing electrically assisted bikes as mobility enhancements. I know they can probably be functional asset and I've defended military application of bikes, but somehow still idea of SF soldier on e-bike gave me chuckle.

Real Finns use ski board.

[Republic of Penguinian Astronautia]

The virgin car vs the Chad (electric)bicycle.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I got bored. Here's a Fusonese metropolis level police intervention battalion (3 in number for the entire Reich).

Kidou Daitai
HQ (1 Toyota HMV, 2 patrol vans + command bus)
Office, comms station + clerks and shit (HMV radio car ersumthin)

Kidou Chuutai x2
HQ (1 HMV, 1 patrol van)
Comms unit (HMV radio car ersumthin)
Sniper team (1 HMV, 1 MSG90, 1 Howa Type 89)

Kidou Shoutai x2
5 Type 96 WAPC, 34 Howa Type 89, 10 MP5K

[Gallia-]

it needs a big prisoner bus to carry people away in chains

[Theodosiya]

I got bored. Here's a Fusonese metropolis level police intervention battalion (3 in number for the entire Reich).

Kidou Daitai
HQ (1 Toyota HMV, 2 patrol vans + command bus)
Office, comms station + clerks and shit (HMV radio car ersumthin)

Kidou Chuutai x2
HQ (1 HMV, 1 patrol van)
Comms unit (HMV radio car ersumthin)

Kidou Shoutai x2
5 Type 96 WAPC, 34 Howa Type 89, 10 MP5K

Why no HMG or GPMG?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

it needs a big prisoner bus to carry people away in chains

I got bored. Here's a Fusonese metropolis level police intervention battalion (3 in number for the entire Reich).

Kidou Daitai
HQ (1 Toyota HMV, 2 patrol vans + command bus)
Office, comms station + clerks and shit (HMV radio car ersumthin)

Kidou Chuutai x2
HQ (1 HMV, 1 patrol van)
Comms unit (HMV radio car ersumthin)

Kidou Shoutai x2
5 Type 96 WAPC, 34 Howa Type 89, 10 MP5K

Why no HMG or GPMG?

That's for the local Kempeitai company.

[Barfleur]

What are the advantages of 5.56mm cartridges instead of 7.62? I know the M16 and all its derivatives are 5.56, while the FAL/L1A1 is 7.62. So why use an underpowered rifle if you have the option?

[Vastronia]

What are the advantages of 5.56mm cartridges instead of 7.62? I know the M16 and all its derivatives are 5.56, while the FAL/L1A1 is 7.62. So why use an underpowered rifle if you have the option?

Most combat tends to occur at shorter ranges that a 5.56 can reach out to, so the longer reach of the 7.62 is kinda wasted. The heavier punching power of the bigger cartridge is also overkill against human targets in closer ranges. Likewise, you tend to get more recoil with the heavier cartridges, not so good for fully automatic fire. Third, the 5.56 round is much, much smaller and lighter, allowing for more ammo to be carried. The weapons can also be more lightly built. Most infantry now uses 5.56 or a similar size. Full sized rifle cartridges tend to be for general purpose machine guns or marksmen rifles. The most modern trend is something in the 6.5mm range, which is supposed to be the best of both worlds.

[Spirit of Hope]

What are the advantages of 5.56mm cartridges instead of 7.62? I know the M16 and all its derivatives are 5.56, while the FAL/L1A1 is 7.62. So why use an underpowered rifle if you have the option?

You can carry a lot more ammo for the same weight. Also you don't need the full power for average engagements, and full power cartridges are harder to control in full auto from a shoulder fired rifle.

[Fordorsia]

They had the ability to make basic plates of metal, those big ole spear heads, hence making metal wire would not have been beyond them technology wise. Just because one did not perform an action doesn't mean one doesn't have the tools to do so.

Zulu ironworking was incredibly primitive. They only used low quality surface deposits of iron and all metalworking was done on an individual scale in very limited numbers. Basic iron spears and axe heads were the most complex things they could make. Metal wire was categorically beyond them. The first clue you should see for this being the case, is them not making it. Making wire isn't at all as simple as you seem to think, and neither is turning it into mail links and then turning those links into mail.

Remember that Europe and the Middle East had a head start of literally thousands of years when it came to ironworking (not to mention all the metals that came before), and much of it was on an industrial scale. Europe and the Middle East developed technologies and techniques that southern Africa didn't, because of a lack of time, resources and industrial capacity.

Handwaving the ability for Zulus to make wire and turn it into butted mail, it would be so low quality than a good bayonet thrust with a spike bayonet will still go through it. Handwaving them the ability to make good quality wire and turn it into riveted mail, that is too silly.

[Purpelia]

Magnetically accelerated 5.56x45/6.8x53mm SCHV rifle in 23th century? With RIS and bayonet too.

Impossible to answer. We need data on what your opposition uses in terms of both weapons and armor. Also is powered armor a thing?

[Hinachi]

I got bored. Here's a Fusonese metropolis level police intervention battalion (3 in number for the entire Reich).

Kidou Daitai
HQ (1 Toyota HMV, 2 patrol vans + command bus)
Office, comms station + clerks and shit (HMV radio car ersumthin)

Kidou Chuutai x2
HQ (1 HMV, 1 patrol van)
Comms unit (HMV radio car ersumthin)
Sniper team (1 HMV, 1 MSG90, 1 Howa Type 89)

Kidou Shoutai x2
5 Type 96 WAPC, 34 Howa Type 89, 10 MP5K

O: What does this battalion deal with, and how big are your metropolises? Its quite murderous, but doesn't have very many personnel.

For comparison Tokyo itself has 10 'battalions' (Kidō-tai, equivalent in size to Kidō-daitai) with about 320 active personnel each. I gather they're organised as such:

Kidō-tai

• Commander: Superintendent
• Deputy Commander (2): Superintendent, Chief Inspector
• HQ
  
  • Commander: Inspector
• Kidō-chūtai (4 active, 2 reserve)

HQ has a variety of functions like HR, accounting, training, security, signals, special duty (plainclothes reconnaissance), PR, technical, vehicles, logistics, photography, etc. I'm not sure what all of them do or how many personnel are assigned to them (some like photography are roles filled by one officer while others are sections).

Reserve Kidō-chūtai are manned by nominated personnel from police stations in the area, and gather to train once a month. I can't find figures for the number of reserve personnel - maybe they're not consistently and fully manned.

Kidō-chūtai

• Commander: Chief Inspector
• Signals Operator: Sergeant
• Kidō-shōtai (3)

Kidō-shōtai

• Commander: Inspector
• Signals Operator: Officer
• Kidō-funtai (3)

Every Kidō-shōtai has its own bus.

Kidō-funtai

• Commander: Sergeant
• Officer (6-7)

During riots every Kidō-funtai is equipped with a gas grenade launcher.

When operating en-masse, usually only Inspectors and above carry handguns.

[Gallia-]

They need katzen and shotguns.

Nothing stops a riot like a dozen guys behind a shield wall firing two rounds of 00.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It could be bigger? I drafted that on the phone ex nihilo tbh. They handle things like large scale terrorist attacks and Aum Shinrikyo. <.>

[Theodosiya]

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They need katzen and shotguns.

Nothing stops a riot like a dozen guys behind a shield wall firing two rounds of 00.

Prison riot? Or any riot? Bring the RPG-7 and RPO-Shmel. Or M67. Or MG3.

[Hinachi]

(Image)

They need katzen and shotguns.

Nothing stops a riot like a dozen guys behind a shield wall firing two rounds of 00.

Wow the neko thicc
What breed are they and what do they do?

It could be bigger? I drafted that on the phone ex nihilo tbh. They handle things like large scale terrorist attacks and Aum Shinrikyo. <.>

Oh if its for counter-terrorism its hard to say if its too small actually. That depends on the area they cover and the expected threat. You wouldn't need a fixed organisation, though, since they would organise (and choose vehicles and equipment) according to the task. Instead you could think of capabilities (which includes vehicles and equipment), especially EOD and CBRN.