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by Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:00 pm
by Gallia- » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:01 pm
by Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:11 pm
by Crookfur » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:19 pm
Vyzhva wrote:Is it possible to fill rifle grenades with phosgene gas?
by Gallia- » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:20 pm
by Britinthia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:50 am
by Austrasien » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:57 am
Britinthia wrote:If you were going to equip a large militia force with cheap and easy to use firearms
by Allanea » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:34 am
Britinthia wrote:If you were going to equip a large militia force with cheap and easy to use firearms, and they are probably never going to actually have to use them for anything other than patrolling civvy areas and looking menacing to deter trouble makers, what would you give them?
I'm leaning towards a 9mm sub-machine good for maximum cheap and fairly easy to use moderately well. But I'm also cautious that it's probably going to be entirely ineffective if it actually has to be used for its intended purpose.
Then there is problem Of, if the militia did have to defend itself against a vaguely organised enemy, an smg isn't gonna cut it at all.
Is there a good balance that isn't an M4?
by Laywenrania » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:50 am
Britinthia wrote:If you were going to equip a large militia force with cheap and easy to use firearms, and they are probably never going to actually have to use them for anything other than patrolling civvy areas and looking menacing to deter trouble makers, what would you give them?
I'm leaning towards a 9mm sub-machine good for maximum cheap and fairly easy to use moderately well. But I'm also cautious that it's probably going to be entirely ineffective if it actually has to be used for its intended purpose.
Then there is problem Of, if the militia did have to defend itself against a vaguely organised enemy, an smg isn't gonna cut it at all.
Is there a good balance that isn't an M4?
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by Triplebaconation » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:19 am
Gallia- wrote:Evolution of Gallan Helmete:
Pre-1708: A menagerie of then-fashionable/faddish pots and pans
1708-1812: A tricorne
1812-1915: M1832 Shako [Cap, Field, m/1813]
1870-2070+: "Colonial" Pattern Helmet* [Helmet, Sun, m/1870]
1915-1940: M1917 Helmet [Helmet, Steel, m/1915]
1921-1985: M1918/Hale & Kilburn Model 5 [Helmet, Steel, m/1921]
1940-2070+: Model 18/40 [Helmet, Steel, Infantry, m/40]**
1940-1985: Parachute cut Model 18/40*** [Helmet, Steel, Parachutist, m/40]
1960-2070+: A Hat In Time 2: The Tricorne Strikes Back**** [Cap, Field, Tropical, Tricorne, m/60]
1981-2031: PASGT [Helmet, Fragmentation Protective, Ground Troops/Parachutist, Sh90]
1981-2031: ACVC [Helmet, Fragmentation Protective, Combat Vehicle Crewman, Sh90V]
2005-2070+: Lightweight Helmet [Helmet, Fragmentation Protective, Ground Troops/Parachutist, Sh90T]
2021-2070+: PASGT-cut ECH [Helmet, Fragmentation & Small Arms Protective, Ground Troops/Parachutist, Sh21]
2030-2100+: What is a Helmet?***** [Body Armor, Powered, Sd30]
*Still exists as part of Dress, Garrison, Tropical. OTOH it wasn't really common to begin with.
**Stays in service literally forever for the Atomic Force, Atomic Energy Police, Civil Defense Force, and a few other, more obscure government agencies that require something akin to a bright, white, bullet splash-proof hardhat.
***I don't know what else it would look like even though that looks entirely different TBH.
****Yes it's real. No, it wasn't just a one-off eccentric thing. 2nd Battalion, 199th Infantry Brigade wore tricornes in Viet Nam. The battalion LTC was an eccentric who wanted to "build esprit and elan" or something.
*****Less a suit, more a man-sized tank. Eventually becomes standard issue for airborne troops. Mechanized infantry still wear helmet, vest, and battle dress. Highly advanced Frisian Cybertroopers move to all Elemental army before 2070s Final War.
by Gallia- » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:21 am
Triplebaconation wrote:Gallia- wrote:Evolution of Gallan Helmete:
Pre-1708: A menagerie of then-fashionable/faddish pots and pans
1708-1812: A tricorne
1812-1915: M1832 Shako [Cap, Field, m/1813]
1870-2070+: "Colonial" Pattern Helmet* [Helmet, Sun, m/1870]
1915-1940: M1917 Helmet [Helmet, Steel, m/1915]
1921-1985: M1918/Hale & Kilburn Model 5 [Helmet, Steel, m/1921]
1940-2070+: Model 18/40 [Helmet, Steel, Infantry, m/40]**
1940-1985: Parachute cut Model 18/40*** [Helmet, Steel, Parachutist, m/40]
1960-2070+: A Hat In Time 2: The Tricorne Strikes Back**** [Cap, Field, Tropical, Tricorne, m/60]
1981-2031: PASGT [Helmet, Fragmentation Protective, Ground Troops/Parachutist, Sh90]
1981-2031: ACVC [Helmet, Fragmentation Protective, Combat Vehicle Crewman, Sh90V]
2005-2070+: Lightweight Helmet [Helmet, Fragmentation Protective, Ground Troops/Parachutist, Sh90T]
2021-2070+: PASGT-cut ECH [Helmet, Fragmentation & Small Arms Protective, Ground Troops/Parachutist, Sh21]
2030-2100+: What is a Helmet?***** [Body Armor, Powered, Sd30]
*Still exists as part of Dress, Garrison, Tropical. OTOH it wasn't really common to begin with.
**Stays in service literally forever for the Atomic Force, Atomic Energy Police, Civil Defense Force, and a few other, more obscure government agencies that require something akin to a bright, white, bullet splash-proof hardhat.
***I don't know what else it would look like even though that looks entirely different TBH.
****Yes it's real. No, it wasn't just a one-off eccentric thing. 2nd Battalion, 199th Infantry Brigade wore tricornes in Viet Nam. The battalion LTC was an eccentric who wanted to "build esprit and elan" or something.
*****Less a suit, more a man-sized tank. Eventually becomes standard issue for airborne troops. Mechanized infantry still wear helmet, vest, and battle dress. Highly advanced Frisian Cybertroopers move to all Elemental army before 2070s Final War.
Is Gallia's asparagus too crunchy to use a Tinsleyesque basinet with antennas?
by Tule » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:33 pm
Britinthia wrote:If you were going to equip a large militia force with cheap and easy to use firearms, and they are probably never going to actually have to use them for anything other than patrolling civvy areas and looking menacing to deter trouble makers, what would you give them?
I'm leaning towards a 9mm sub-machine good for maximum cheap and fairly easy to use moderately well. But I'm also cautious that it's probably going to be entirely ineffective if it actually has to be used for its intended purpose.
Then there is problem Of, if the militia did have to defend itself against a vaguely organised enemy, an smg isn't gonna cut it at all.
Is there a good balance that isn't an M4?
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by The Akasha Colony » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 am
Britinthia wrote:If you were going to equip a large militia force with cheap and easy to use firearms, and they are probably never going to actually have to use them for anything other than patrolling civvy areas and looking menacing to deter trouble makers, what would you give them?
I'm leaning towards a 9mm sub-machine good for maximum cheap and fairly easy to use moderately well. But I'm also cautious that it's probably going to be entirely ineffective if it actually has to be used for its intended purpose.
Then there is problem Of, if the militia did have to defend itself against a vaguely organised enemy, an smg isn't gonna cut it at all.
Is there a good balance that isn't an M4?
by Aldina » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:02 am
Vyzhva wrote:Exactly how effectively would these gas canisters perform in a combat situation?
by Crookfur » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:38 am
Allanea wrote:Phosgene grenades were in fact effective enough to be used by Germany in both world wars, so I assume they were not completely bad.
by Purpelia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:17 am
Crookfur wrote:Allanea wrote:Phosgene grenades were in fact effective enough to be used by Germany in both world wars, so I assume they were not completely bad.
IIRC phosgene hand grenades were used by both sides during ww1 for trench fighting. The main benefit of phosgene grenades was that the dense gas didn't spread too far and would sink down into a trench.
I'm not sure if phosgene survived the switch from pressurised liquid grenades to combustion/pyro effect gas grenades. You would probably have to look deeply into the transition and the progression from the US mk2 to mk5 gas grenades.
As I mentioned its perfectly possible to make phosgene rifle grenades but to be honest I'm not sure they would be as immediately useful as hand grenades or larger capacity shells.
It's a kind of unhappy middle ground kind of situation.
by Vyzhva » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:28 am
Purpelia wrote:Crookfur wrote:IIRC phosgene hand grenades were used by both sides during ww1 for trench fighting. The main benefit of phosgene grenades was that the dense gas didn't spread too far and would sink down into a trench.
I'm not sure if phosgene survived the switch from pressurised liquid grenades to combustion/pyro effect gas grenades. You would probably have to look deeply into the transition and the progression from the US mk2 to mk5 gas grenades.
As I mentioned its perfectly possible to make phosgene rifle grenades but to be honest I'm not sure they would be as immediately useful as hand grenades or larger capacity shells.
It's a kind of unhappy middle ground kind of situation.
Urban combat I would imagine. The ability to drop one in through a window or over a building into the next street over would be for a lot of fun. Doubly so if he makes his rifle grenades so that they can be thrown by hand and even light mortar like the Japanese did in WW2. Chemical warfare for everyone!
by Purpelia » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:32 am
Vyzhva wrote:Purpelia wrote:Urban combat I would imagine. The ability to drop one in through a window or over a building into the next street over would be for a lot of fun. Doubly so if he makes his rifle grenades so that they can be thrown by hand and even light mortar like the Japanese did in WW2. Chemical warfare for everyone!
Sounds sort of fun tbh
by Spirit of Hope » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:00 am
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