CoDN Canon History Discussion

[Dragomerian Islands]

CoDN Canon History Discussion

PURPOSE
Due to the loss of a number of CoDN members who were active in major historical events in the RP history of the CoDN, this thread will be to used to rewrite the history to fit the current situation.

Topics
-The Great War
-The Pacific War or WW2
-The UN
-The Cold War
-Any other relevant topics to this discussion.

[Ascoobis]

First, we should ask ourselves the necessity of these wars. Remember, we're not bound by RL history. We should forge our own path. It'd take more time to iron things out and think of events, but it'd be better than just Copy-Pasting RL history and giving excuses for why they happened anyway.

[Dragomerian Islands]

First, we should ask ourselves the necessity of these wars. Remember, we're not bound by RL history. We should forge our own path. It'd take more time to iron things out and think of events, but it'd be better than just Copy-Pasting RL history and giving excuses for why they happened anyway.

I remember that GK flat out caused the first one. The second one was essentially an excuse to gain the Philippines (if you remove the 'need a ww2' sentiment).

[Republic of Washinton]

First, we should ask ourselves the necessity of these wars. Remember, we're not bound by RL history. We should forge our own path. It'd take more time to iron things out and think of events, but it'd be better than just Copy-Pasting RL history and giving excuses for why they happened anyway.

I remember that GK flat out caused the first one. The second one was essentially an excuse to gain the Philippines (if you remove the 'need a ww2' sentiment).

As I we discussed in our previous thread, I believe we agreed to split our WW1 up into several wars.

[Ascoobis]

First, we should ask ourselves the necessity of these wars. Remember, we're not bound by RL history. We should forge our own path. It'd take more time to iron things out and think of events, but it'd be better than just Copy-Pasting RL history and giving excuses for why they happened anyway.

I remember that GK flat out caused the first one. The second one was essentially an excuse to gain the Philippines (if you remove the 'need a ww2' sentiment).

Perhaps, now that Paglaum is in the RP, you could say that you were taking the Philippines from him?

I remember that GK flat out caused the first one. The second one was essentially an excuse to gain the Philippines (if you remove the 'need a ww2' sentiment).

As I we discussed in our previous thread, I believe we agreed to split our WW1 up into several wars.

Yeah, we did. We need to review who they were between.

[Dragomerian Islands]

I remember that GK flat out caused the first one. The second one was essentially an excuse to gain the Philippines (if you remove the 'need a ww2' sentiment).

Perhaps, now that Paglaum is in the RP, you could say that you were taking the Philippines from him?

As I we discussed in our previous thread, I believe we agreed to split our WW1 up into several wars.

Yeah, we did. We need to review who they were between.

Once we actually get this stuff figured out, then I can put the new history into a factbook, which should have a copy under the CoDN Dispatch account (if applicable).

[Republic of Washinton]

The ATCO nations are sorting out our conflict in South America, so we can give the details later.

As for North Amwell, I am still wondering what we are to do with him.

[Dragomerian Islands]

The ATCO nations are sorting out our conflict in South America, so we can give the details later.

As for North Amwell, I am still wondering what we are to do with him.

Well, he seems to keep going in and out (I will check, but he may be due to be taken off the map again from inactivity).

For the Pacific War, without North Amwell, the Empire of Japan would not really have much reason to go to war with ATCO. We may need to talk about it, but the Pacific War, may just turn into the 'War to Conquer the Philippines', which would be done in a year tops from the start of it, because my forces would not have any other targets.

Well, lets start with talking about our WW2 (to get it out of the way). We should then talk a little on WW1, and then, we can talk about our UN and a cold war.

[Republic of Washinton]

The ATCO nations are sorting out our conflict in South America, so we can give the details later.

As for North Amwell, I am still wondering what we are to do with him.

Well, he seems to keep going in and out (I will check, but he may be due to be taken off the map again from inactivity).

For the Pacific War, without North Amwell, the Empire of Japan would not really have much reason to go to war with ATCO. We may need to talk about it, but the Pacific War, may just turn into the 'War to Conquer the Philippines', which would be done in a year tops from the start of it, because my forces would not have any other targets.

Well, lets start with talking about our WW2 (to get it out of the way). We should then talk a little on WW1, and then, we can talk about our UN and a cold war.

Well North Amwell CTE'd again so yeah....

We originally were going to have Spain be a colony of some nation (Spain before Plaglaum came back to his original nation) but then we went to not having any at all. Also, what will come of Scarlet? He was a good part of the war (mostly in the South Pacific and Central America).

Alright, though I feel this will not be resolved like outlast attempts.

[Ascoobis]

The ATCO nations are sorting out our conflict in South America, so we can give the details later.

As for North Amwell, I am still wondering what we are to do with him.

If the war was over the Philippines, I think we could leave North Amwell out. To just jam NA in there as some sort of catalyst, at this point, I just think would be lazy and illogical.

As for a reason, it needs to be more tangible than "It's been twenty years since the last Great War, so f*ck'em."

What if, to help end the 'American War'(As well as take advantage of the situation, Dragomeria came to the aid of South America? But dropped out due to losses in the mid-1940s?

[Dragomerian Islands]

The ATCO nations are sorting out our conflict in South America, so we can give the details later.

As for North Amwell, I am still wondering what we are to do with him.

If the war was over the Philippines, I think we could leave North Amwell out. To just jam NA in there as some sort of catalyst, at this point, I just think would be lazy and illogical.

As for a reason, it needs to be more tangible than "It's been twenty years since the last Great War, so f*ck'em."

What if, to help end the 'American War'(As well as take advantage of the situation, Dragomeria came to the aid of South America? But dropped out due to losses in the mid-1940s?

What exactly was the 'American War'?

[Ascoobis]

If the war was over the Philippines, I think we could leave North Amwell out. To just jam NA in there as some sort of catalyst, at this point, I just think would be lazy and illogical.

As for a reason, it needs to be more tangible than "It's been twenty years since the last Great War, so f*ck'em."

What if, to help end the 'American War'(As well as take advantage of the situation, Dragomeria came to the aid of South America? But dropped out due to losses in the mid-1940s?

What exactly was the 'American War'?

Something the ATCO members are discussing to add to their history.

The summary is that it's a 30 to 40-year-long war between the ATCO nations and a collective unnamed South American equivalent(As an NPC nation, obviously). Intensity obviously varies throughout. You'll have to ask Cerma for the exact details, as they're still a little sketchy.

[Dragomerian Islands]

What exactly was the 'American War'?

Something the ATCO members are discussing to add to their history.

The summary is that it's a 30 to 40-year-long war between the ATCO nations and a collective unnamed South American equivalent(As an NPC nation, obviously). Intensity obviously varies throughout. You'll have to ask Cerma for the exact details, as they're still a little sketchy.

Hmm. I would more likely side with ATCO on this one. Originally, the only reason why the Empire hated ATCO was due to the war. My nation would more likely side with ATCO due to still being allied with Ascoobis at the time (in the original timeline, the alliance only ended because an invasion of ATCO).

[Ascoobis]

Something the ATCO members are discussing to add to their history.

The summary is that it's a 30 to 40-year-long war between the ATCO nations and a collective unnamed South American equivalent(As an NPC nation, obviously). Intensity obviously varies throughout. You'll have to ask Cerma for the exact details, as they're still a little sketchy.

Hmm. I would more likely side with ATCO on this one. Originally, the only reason why the Empire hated ATCO was due to the war. My nation would more likely side with ATCO due to still being allied with Ascoobis at the time (in the original timeline, the alliance only ended because an invasion of ATCO).

So no Pacific War?

[Dragomerian Islands]

Hmm. I would more likely side with ATCO on this one. Originally, the only reason why the Empire hated ATCO was due to the war. My nation would more likely side with ATCO due to still being allied with Ascoobis at the time (in the original timeline, the alliance only ended because an invasion of ATCO).

So no Pacific War?

I guess not.

All there would be is a taking over of the Philippines and possibly Japan aiding ATCO against the South American forces

[Republic of Washinton]

So no Pacific War?

I guess not.

All there would be is a taking over of the Philippines and possibly Japan aiding ATCO against the South American forces

Then why would there be hostility between us to this day?

[Ascoobis]

So no Pacific War?

I guess not.

All there would be is a taking over of the Philippines and possibly Japan aiding ATCO against the South American forces

We would oppose your war of aggression against Paglaum, though?

[Dragomerian Islands]

I guess not.

All there would be is a taking over of the Philippines and possibly Japan aiding ATCO against the South American forces

We would oppose your war of aggression against Paglaum, though?

Paglaum? I do not remember getting into a war with Paglaum back then.

[Ascoobis]

We would oppose your war of aggression against Paglaum, though?

Paglaum? I do not remember getting into a war with Paglaum back then.

I would've assumed that Paglaum owned the Philippines prior to your invasion. You've got to be invading something, right? As this is a good opportunity to entwine histories with your fellow RP nation rather than just make it some expendable NPC.

[Dragomerian Islands]

Paglaum? I do not remember getting into a war with Paglaum back then.

I would've assumed that Paglaum owned the Philippines prior to your invasion. You've got to be invading something, right? As this is a good opportunity to entwine histories with your fellow RP nation rather than just make it some expendable NPC.

The original reason for the invasion was due to it being in the possession of a european power. It is very doubtful that it would have been invaded if a fellow Pacific Ocean nation had it.

[Republic of Washinton]

This is just one suggestion by me, we could have North Amwell exist and just collapse in say the 1970s due to never truly recovering from the war. I could have absorbed his territories of the Yukon and NW territories in the fallout.

[Ascoobis]

This is just one suggestion by me, we could have North Amwell exist and just collapse in say the 1970s due to never truly recovering from the war. I could have absorbed his territories of the Yukon and NW territories in the fallout.

THat would've probably caused great economic strain on your country.

It's like saying, "Hey Third-World country that's recently collapsed, let me throw money at you to get you up to our level."

I would've assumed that Paglaum owned the Philippines prior to your invasion. You've got to be invading something, right? As this is a good opportunity to entwine histories with your fellow RP nation rather than just make it some expendable NPC.

The original reason for the invasion was due to it being in the possession of a european power. It is very doubtful that it would have been invaded if a fellow Pacific Ocean nation had it.

Okay, so without a World-War-esque event, what would kickstart the creation of a United Nations?

[Dragomerian Islands]

This is just one suggestion by me, we could have North Amwell exist and just collapse in say the 1970s due to never truly recovering from the war. I could have absorbed his territories of the Yukon and NW territories in the fallout.

THat would've probably caused great economic strain on your country.

It's like saying, "Hey Third-World country that's recently collapsed, let me throw money at you to get you up to our level."

The original reason for the invasion was due to it being in the possession of a european power. It is very doubtful that it would have been invaded if a fellow Pacific Ocean nation had it.

Okay, so without a World-War-esque event, what would kickstart the creation of a United Nations?

Possibly all these wars, yours in South America, mine in the Philippines, ect., I mean, a world war would make it more justifiable, but I just do not want to have to deal with another one unless we actually coordinate that stuff better.

[Ascoobis]

THat would've probably caused great economic strain on your country.

It's like saying, "Hey Third-World country that's recently collapsed, let me throw money at you to get you up to our level."
Okay, so without a World-War-esque event, what would kickstart the creation of a United Nations?

Possibly all these wars, yours in South America, mine in the Philippines, ect., I mean, a world war would make it more justifiable, but I just do not want to have to deal with another one unless we actually coordinate that stuff better.

Isn't a bunch of simultaneous war what we planned for our WWI? Seems a little redundant.

[Dragomerian Islands]

Possibly all these wars, yours in South America, mine in the Philippines, ect., I mean, a world war would make it more justifiable, but I just do not want to have to deal with another one unless we actually coordinate that stuff better.

Isn't a bunch of simultaneous war what we planned for our WWI? Seems a little redundant.

Hmm...Well, besides our own wars, perhaps could be the fact that this version would not have fighting between the ICPS and ATCO, could mean that the two could find equal ground and reason to merge into a UN-like organization.