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by Alleniana » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:01 am
by Alleniana » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:40 am
by The Kingdom of Glitter » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:59 am
by Elepis » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:10 am
by Alleniana » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:26 am
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:Iiwiki is a lot more of a personal venture than a community one.
Everyone should maintain a nation page on iiwiki, even if it's just an info box, a few paragraphs for info, and some bullet pointed history. What they do after that and where they choose to do it should be at their own discretion.
The rest of your points I don't have anything major to pick apart. Liec can speak to Rome and that history, is it impacts him perhaps the most of any of us.
I like your suggestions for the map and agree that our loose shape should remain. I like that euclea and coius are separate entities and think merging them would make us more earth like.
Elepis wrote:I do have some opinions on this I think, but I am knackered from flying and am on holiday, I trust this won't be over for awhile?
by Senkaku » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:34 pm
Elepis wrote:I do have some opinions on this I think, but I am knackered from flying and am on holiday, I trust this won't be over for awhile?
by The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:52 pm
by Lunas Legion » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:57 pm
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I'd love to see a more multipolar world, though I do not think we need to use a new map.
by The Kingdom of Glitter » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:51 pm
Lunas Legion wrote:The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:I'd love to see a more multipolar world, though I do not think we need to use a new map.
Problem is the current geography simply isn't conducive to multipolarity because there's a regional hegemon, and as soon as you get a regional hegemon they start creating a bloc of everyone but other potential regional hegemons to prevent anyone else becoming a regional hegemon.
by Hellenope » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:48 pm
by Senkaku » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:16 am
Hellenope wrote:
I also believe that we should break up QTO for various reasons that I'd rather not get too in-depth on. The idea being, however, that our bloc system needs an overhaul, which Senka touched upon briefly.
by Caltarania » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 am
Senkaku wrote:Hellenope wrote:
I also believe that we should break up QTO for various reasons that I'd rather not get too in-depth on. The idea being, however, that our bloc system needs an overhaul, which Senka touched upon briefly.
I'm not necessarily opposed, but I'm curious why you think QTO in particular needs breaking up, as opposed to the other blocs.
Tbh I'd support breaking all the blocs up and having each Great Power form its own sphere of influence.
by Senkaku » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:37 am
Caltarania wrote:Senkaku wrote:I'm not necessarily opposed, but I'm curious why you think QTO in particular needs breaking up, as opposed to the other blocs.
Tbh I'd support breaking all the blocs up and having each Great Power form its own sphere of influence.
I think it's because QTO has all of south Coius pretty much. The Internationale has like 1 or 2 nations, DILDO is large but would be split up under the multipolar world and deals with the new/old world split currently anyway, and PP is of decent size.
by Hellenope » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:20 am
Senkaku wrote:Hellenope wrote:
I also believe that we should break up QTO for various reasons that I'd rather not get too in-depth on. The idea being, however, that our bloc system needs an overhaul, which Senka touched upon briefly.
I'm not necessarily opposed, but I'm curious why you think QTO in particular needs breaking up, as opposed to the other blocs.
Tbh I'd support breaking all the blocs up and having each Great Power form its own sphere of influence.
by Elepis » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:53 am
by Elepis » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:00 am
Elepis wrote:I personally think QTO is the most interesting block, sure it may be a bit unactive but that is to do with the players not the block itself. QTO and the PP are the only two blocks that aren't based off or almost carbon copies of a real life block, the League's thing seems a lot like nicer Warsaw Pact where as DITO is NATO but with Indoensia and a slightly weaker America, QTO has no real world analogue
by The Kingdom of Glitter » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:49 am
Elepis wrote:I personally think QTO is the most interesting block, sure it may be a bit unactive but that is to do with the players not the block itself. QTO and the PP are the only two blocks that aren't based off or almost carbon copies of a real life block, the League's thing seems a lot like nicer Warsaw Pact where as DITO is NATO but with Indoensia and a slightly weaker America, QTO has no real world analogue
by Senkaku » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:01 am
Hellenope wrote:mostly because of OOC dynamics between the players in question, which I believe bleeds over into the IC dynamic.
I also note that of all the blocs, QTO seems to do, well, the least as as bloc. Sure, individual QTO members do a lot, but QTO doesn't seem to do anything...........relatively pointless ICly, beyond the defensive pact against Nematsu, Negara, and Ahnurvey -- and inactive, to boot.
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
DITO was (intended) to be more dynamic than NATO in that power was somewhat equally shared between Gaullica, Negara, and the Fed. It was also (intended) to be very "reeee muh democracy" and, given Negara, jacobin. Since all members of DITO are republics, it would be interesting to see a more jacobin aspect going forward.
by The Kingdom of Glitter » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:41 am
by Elepis » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:15 am
by Hellenope » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:43 am
Elepis wrote:sure it may be a bit unactive but that is to do with the players not the block itself
Elepis wrote:also I think if Coius as a whole were more active, QTO would be too
by Elepis » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:12 pm
Hellenope wrote:Elepis wrote:also I think if Coius as a whole were more active, QTO would be too
Why can't QTO create activity, internally or externally? Do stuff that fleshes out internal QTO stuff. Do the Muradi RP, the cyber RP, etc. Debate territorial rights, have a Songhuan commit a crime in Fars, and figure out how to resolve the issues of jurisdiction and sovereignty in an increasingly-centralizing pact. Etc.
If QTO is to be a major bloc, it can't be passive or reactive - it has to generate activity, even if it's only internal.
by Lunas Legion » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:34 pm
Elepis wrote:Hellenope wrote:
No, the players are perfectly active - you post, Senka posts, etc. The issue is that, unlike DITO or the PP, QTO itself doesn't seem to do anything.
well sen posts the most, apart from the post I made a few days ago I hadn't posted since April, Hanny just does shit with economics and Har and Kai never post, and we have never had a Cheonhae.
by The Kingdom of Glitter » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:10 pm
by Senkaku » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:30 pm
Hellenope wrote:Do the Muradi RP, the cyber RP, etc. Debate territorial rights, have a Songhuan commit a crime in Fars, and figure out how to resolve the issues of jurisdiction and sovereignty in an increasingly-centralizing pact. Etc.
If QTO is to be a major bloc, it can't be passive or reactive - it has to generate activity, even if it's only internal.
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