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The Lunar Domain
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Postby The Lunar Domain » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:08 am

Honored citizens of the Kingdom of the United Turtles, Mushrooms, and Men of Turtleshroom, along with the honored leaders of the Kingdom of the United Turtles, Mushrooms, and Men of Turtleshroom,

I write this open letter to you not as any person but myself. I know you value the freedom of conscience, for such is made apparent in your tolerances of faith and dissent, and for that, I should hope that at least a few of you will listen to what I am to say in consistence with my own. I do this with no delusions of affecting your nation as a whole; I do it because the name ‘Wavumai compels me to do so, or forsake it. I swore an oath upon taking the name ‘Wavumai. That oath was that I would, until my last breath, embody the ideals of the Code of the Warrior. Those ideals are what guide me. And they compel me to state the following:

I do not seek to enact forcible change on your end. Your policies are yours, regardless of my views, and you are free to govern your territory as you see fit. Furthermore, my own government, of whom I know there are those who share my views, regardless does not seek to forcibly change you either. My nation learned the consequences of this, as it was what led to its foundation. However, I cannot and will not sit idly by, watching your nation deny what it has done, without saying a word.

Let us forget the inherent nature of genocide momentarily, and realize that by denying past deeds, all you do is lay the groundwork for it to occur again. Before you accepted myself as Legate, you recognized my ancestors’ deeds - and though there are those on the world from which my species arose who would deny that what was done was wrong, I know of few who would deny that it was done. If you can recognize what the Sangheili did during the Human-Covenant War as done, then I should think you cannot deny your own deeds without being duplicitous not even to the outside world, but to yourselves.

Furthermore, I will inform you of the nature of the major political parties in our Lunar Domain. They arose from political factions that inflicted great bloodshed upon the world of Dheghom in an effort to gain supremacy over all others, and by the time they came together to compromise and form our nation, perhaps not a single life on Dheghom had gone undisturbed. Our founders are thus taught as both the great compromisers, and the bloodletters they were, that what was done then does not happen again. In time, our apprehensive civility towards one another gave way to civility, and it would perhaps be unthinkable to our founders that we would not consider attacking our political opponents. I may be a Republican, but I understand what my predecessors did during the Anarchy.

Forgetting the implications of your claim that members of the species of Equus sapiens are no longer known to exist within Turtleshroom, let me ask you this: if one genocide has already been done, and denied, what is to stop another from occurring? The next one need not be committed against ponies; all it needs is the idea that it can be justified. Surely, you must worry about those implications with the current internal unrest you are experiencing. Say if a new regime was to topple the old - do you not worry what would occur? Granted, it is perhaps almost inevitable with those sorts of changes that democide/genocide is to occur, but I should think that if the old government they were to replace acknowledged its own actions, the citizenry would be more inclined to resist the same from the new.

Again, I speak as no person other than myself, and represent no one but me. I do not wish to forcibly affect change upon you, but what I do wish, or rather, what I do hope, is that you take a moment to think. Even if you do not believe that this Darkest Harvest was an act in error, at least recognize that it occurred, if only to protect yourselves. A hundred years from now, your grandchildren will live in a world you helped to build today, and what virtue you held now may not be their virtue then. Do not mistake this for saying to forsake your virtues, as that would be hypocritical on my part, but understand that your progeny may very well lack the virtue you now hold. Time helps people to change what we think right and wrong, and it is important when planning for the future to consider this. Of course, what I speak of is hypothetical - it could be that you are lucky enough to avoid repetition of your mistakes without acknowledging them. Perhaps this civil unrest will be quelled peaceably, and life will return to normal. However, seldom are those events the case in history, and I think it can be truly said that many great nations are built, in part, upon hypotheticals in order to safeguard those that inherit them.

Let honor be bestowed upon both of our nations,

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Postby Pherdistan » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:44 pm

PART I: BASIC INFORMATION

FULL COUNTRY NAME: The Ferdistani Federation

GOVERNMENT TYPE/DESCRIPTION: Federal (de jure) Unity (de facto) Parliamentary Republic
IS YOUR NATION A MARXIST STATE OR NAZI/NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE? No, although the overbroad definition used by Turtleshroomian authorities to define "Marxism" might mean that our nation would qualify from a de facto standpoint. De jure, the Federation eschews the incorporation of any particular ideology into the governance of the state itself.

LEGATE’S NAME: Homeless Joe

LEGATE’S SPECIES: Earth Pony

LEGATE’S GENDER: Male

AGE OF LEGATE: 27

DESCRIPTION OF LEGATE***:
Physically, Homeless Joe is a manly pink, unfortunately dirtied by his years exposed to the streets. He has prominent dark purple eyes, and a matching mane and tail.

BIOGRAPHY OF LEGATE:
A notorious deadbeat who couldn't even graduate primary school, Homeless Joe is, as might be noted, a homeless pony who lives off panhandling. However, his rejection as legate will give us cassus belli to declare war on TurtleShroom he was recently found to possess extraordinary diplomatic skills, and was promptly appointed to the position.




PART II: SPECIFICS OF LEGATE


LEGATE’S RELIGION Nondenominational Monotheistic.

LEGATE’S POLITICAL AFFILIATION: He has voted straight-ticket Homeless Party since he founded it in 2011. He also serves as chairpony, secretary, treasurer, and the party's sole candidate in local elections.

LEGATE’S MARITAL STATUS: Unmarried

LEGATE’S CRIMINAL RECORD: None


HEIGHT OF LEGATE: A good 165 centimeters from head to hoof.


DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY NON-MAGICAL/INNATE/PSYCHIC POWERS? No
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? ARE THEY EXTRAORDINARY FOR HIS SPECIES? N/A

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER DIVORCED? As he has never been married, he has consequently never been divorced.
IF SO, ON WHAT GROUNDS? N/A

BEFORE HIS ASSIGNMENT, WAS YOUR LEGATE IN A COHABITATIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX OF HIS SPECIES? As he lives in the street, he has no habitat to co with. We'll go with no.


IS YOUR LEGATE AN ORDAINED CLERGYMAN OF HIS FAITH? No, as ordination isn't particularly practiced in Ferdistan.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE A MILITARY BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE? Records show that he was drafted in 2010, and served permanent potato-peeling duty for most of his 18-month service.

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ESPIONAGE, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC? Other than occasionally claiming that the changelings implanted mind control devices in his head, no.

IS YOUR LEGATE A NOBLEMAN/OF NOBLE BLOOD/HOLDING A TITLE OF NOBILITY? Yes. He was bestowed the title Baronet of Petiteville by the Unicorn Crown Princess, along with a knighthood, for "general goodheartedness to the ponies of this nation".


PART III: LEGATION ACCOMPYNAMENT AND ADD-ONS


PERSONAL WEAPONS OF LEGATE, FAMILY, AND STAFF: Four hoofs and a mouth are weapon enough. Our one gendarme will carry an automatic assault rifle.

LEGATE’S TRANSPORTATION: As a diplomatic of the Federation, he will be traveling by cloud.

LEGATE’S FAMILY BEING BROUGHT IN (list each with short description and relation)
  • None


LEGATE’S STAFF:
  • Abdul Bigbeak (Security)


LEGATE SPECIAL NEEDS AND ACCOMODATIONS


A balcony with a sleeping bag, as Joe isn't used to indoor sleeping. In addition, modifications for easy cloud access would be greatly appreciated.

DOES YOUR LEGATE TOLERATE THE PRESENCE OF NON-HUMANS, OR IS HE WILLING TO DO SO? Being non-human, yes.

IS YOUR LEGATE NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A DRUNKARD, CONSUMER OF ALCOHOL, OR ADDICT TO ANY RECREATIONAL/NON-PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG ASIDE FROM TOBACCO? No.

DOES YOUR LEGATE NEED CUSTOM/SPECIAL/ADAPTED PLUMBING? No.
IF SO, WHAT IS IT: N/A

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS? No.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? N/A

IS YOUR LEGATE OF SOUND MIND? We think so.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY PHSYCIAL HANDICAPS NECCESITATING ACCESSIBILITY? Partially.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? Easy access for cloud pickups would be greatly appreciated.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY ALLERGIES? No.

IS YOUR LEGATE CAPABLE OF USING A TELEPHONE, FAX MACHINE, OR COMPUTER? No. But he'll get Abdul do that stuff.

THE CAPITAL OF TURTLESHROOM IS JONESBORO, WHICH IS IN A JUNGLE. CAN YOUR LEGATE WITHSTAND A TROPICAL RAINFOREST BIOME WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED, MONSOON WET/DRY SEASON CLIMATE? He's seen worse from a pissed-off Weather Patrol. Bring it on!


REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION


DOES YOUR LEGATE AGREE TO ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF DWELLING IN THE TURTLESHROOMIAN LEGATION QUARTER, INCLUDING SUBJECTION TO TURTLESHROOMIAN LAWS, EXTRATERRITORIALITY, AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND OTHERS?

Why not?

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS?
How soon are messages, such as, say, declarations of war, transmitted to the relevant authorities?


DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES, CLARIFICATIONS, OR ALERTS YOU WISH TO ISSUE THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS?
No...


DO YOU WISH FOR TURTLESHROOM TO ESTABLISH A DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN YOUR NATION'S LEGATION QUARTERS/ETC.? Not at the moment.

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Postby Allanea » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:54 pm

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We, by the Grace of the Gods and the support of Our People, the Emperor of Greater Prussia and King of Allanea, have been informed of the content and existence of Turtleshroom’s censorship laws. Turtleshroom not only prohibits possession of all pornography, but prohibits the possession of films that are judged to be ‘Marxist propaganda’ (including, incongruously, films about women working in paranormal protection - I’m not sure how private paranormal protection agencies are Marxist), and furthermore, has the state edit the plots of existing films before release.

Much like in Marxist-Leninist societies, all content is regulated by the state. Possession of certain prohibited films (including, weirdly, some horror movies) is punishable by death.

There is no excuse for state censorship of any kind (save for the obvious and very narrow exceptions). However, a society that censors nature documentaries and edits the plots of films does not deserve to have the legal support and humanitarian aid of Greater Prussia.

Furthermore, it appears that Turtleshroom prohibits research in anti-aging fields and ‘resurrection’ technologies, as well as cryonics. While medical cryonics is not practiced in most Greater Prussian societies (some, because they’ve evolved past the need for this, and some because they are unable to do so reliably), we do not find denial of clinical treatment for one of the most common diseases, that of aging, to be consistent with human rights. Should cryonics be considered a form of burial, as it is in some societies, there is even less reason to prohibit it.

For this reason We, by the Grace of the Gods Emperor of Greater Prussia, offer Turtleshroom three choices:

1. You may abolish your censorship board forthwith and destroy all its records and building, as well as abolish the prohibitions of anti-aging treatment, and free all persons imprisoned on all these charges.
2. You may quit Greater PRussia, and be free of our badgering on issues of rights.
3. Should you refuse to carry Out our highly reasonable request as per section 1 of this list within a week of receiving this message, We will appeal to Our Imperial Aunt, the Inspector-General of Greater Prussia, to support a decision to eject Turtleshroom from Greater Prussia.
4. Should - despite our expectations - you agree with these very reasonable demands, We shall authorize an immense, charitable, and far-reaching campaign to improve the wealth and condition of Turtleshroomers and economic rehabilitation of the country.

Regardless of the outcome, We shall continue to donate charitably directly to the assistance of poor people and minorities in Turtleshroom, directly from Our pocket.

That is all. Have a nice day, and may the Gods continue to Bless Allanea.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:22 pm

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KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
EXECUTIVE CABINET
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS
DEAN

TO THE DYSISAN CROWN AND TO THE IMPERIAL COURT THEREOF, TO THE HONORED APPLICANT
SIR*:

Thank you for your presentation of your chosen Legation candidate. The application for Vils Eros as Legate has been ACCEPTED IN FULL. All applicants for guardsmen and other aides have been granted; all identifications and validations of the Legation candidate and company have been received and deemed genuine.

As with all diplomatic personel, Mister Eros will be fingerprinted and blood samples will be drawn for DNA profiling purposes, as will his staff. (If Mister Eros' species does not have unique fingerprints or equivalents, some other form of unique identification will be assessed instead.)

All requests for weaponry have been granted. All requests for vehicular travel have been granted. They will be outfitted with the appropriate miniatures of the Dysisan and Legation flags for free parking. As with all starships and aerial transportation, we expect the esteemed delegation to deal with storage of those vehicles themselves.

We do have one issue that needs addressing. Our research on the Dysisan race yields little beyond the flag, history, and governmental structure of the Dysisan Empire, but nothing on the Dysisan species itself. Based on your description (which uses human terms such as eye color and skin tone), the Dysisan species seems humanoid.

Concerning Mister Eros and company's incompatibility with the TurtleShroomian atmosphere, TurtleShroom understand and respects this issue. TurtleShroom is willing to outfit a small, sealed room (and full bathroom) in a quarentine tent near the Legation Quarter that can be filled with the atmospheric composition that the honored delegation can survive in. TurtleShroom already maintains this technology for the purpose of disease and toxic mold control, so adapting it for Dysisan purposes should not be too difficult, if Dysisan air is compatible with TurtleShroomian infrasturcture. (All technology, plumbing, and furnishings found in the Legation Quarter proper will be erected within the sealed tent.)

TurtleShroom also possesses the capacity for hazmat suits and SCUBA (self-contained underwater breathing apparatus) filters. Simply replacing the TurtleShroomian air with Dysisan air will allow the Dysisan delegation to exit the tent and interact abroad. The Dysisan delegation are encouraged bring their own hazmat suits and breathing apparatusses if they desire, because all hazmat suits are geared towards the shape of humans, turtles, or mushrooms, and not to whatever Dysisans resemble. We obviously expect the Dysisan delegation to cover the costs of supplying this equipment, erecting the sealed tent, and using Dysisan air. The Dysisans can opt to have food brought to the sealed tent by Legation Quarter staff, or they can attend the buffet themselves, and take the food back to their sealed tent. We naturally require the Dysisans themselves to bring tanks supplied with Dysisan air for use in the sealed tent.

As we have no data on the appearence of the Dysisan race, we will have to personally meet the esteemed delegates for fitting for their robes and sashes, or, if need be, we can simply give them a powder-blue hazmat suit (or dye an existing one) instead of a robe. The sashes are never a problem.

May your Emperor live for a long and prosperous reign, and may peace and success bless the Dysisan Empire forevermore.


Thank you.
-DEAN OF THE TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS, IN REPRESENTATION OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE KINGDOM OF TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM



* = The rank in the Imperial Navy of Dysisan of the honored candidate was not described, and therefore, his true manner of address was not properly used.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:49 pm

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KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
EXECUTIVE CABINET
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS
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TO THE BATORITE CROWN AND IMPERIAL COURT THEREOF, AND TO THE BATORITE FOREIGN AFFAIRS REPRESENTATIVES
YOUR GRACE:

Thank you for your inqueries, and thank you for your interest in establishing a Legation with TurtleShroom. We have replied to your questionnaire as follows.




The Batorys wrote:The Foreign Ministry's senior members, including those who would be appointed to represent the Batory Empire abroad, are overwhelmingly women, likely due to the matriarchal culture of the core provinces where our offices our located and where most of our staff hail from. There aren't that many men in the Foreign Ministry who would be qualified for this appointment, and those that are, unfortunately, are on assignment elsewhere.


Your species apparently demonstrates sexual dimorphism and has at least two genders. Unless your species is wholly matriarchial in both culture and inherent nature (as our sentient turtles and many non-sentient animals are), we will not waive this requirement.
If you can secure a male for the Legation post, we will be willing to accept a female to stand in prior to his appointment.

The Batorys wrote:While we would never appoint anyone to represent the Batory Empire overseas who we didn't morally/ethically approve of, our definition of what constitutes "virtuous moral character" may differ from that of Turtleshroom.


We attempt to accomodate the cultures of other nations within reason. For the purposes of the Legation Quarter, we consider "virtuous moral character" to include traits such as: honestly, loyalty, integrity and incorruptibility, sexual purity (while in TurtleShroom and in line with the demands of the applications), no criminal background, and an understanding of TurtleShroomian values and culture. Likewise, the applicant cannot be a sexual deviant or open homosexual (or any practinioner of an alternative sexual lifestyle, regardless of the gender of parties involved).

The Batorys wrote:This requirement is as difficult to meet as the one regarding gender. Alcohol in particular is widely enjoyed with meals and in social gatherings in the Batory Empire. It is also used in some religious rituals (the requirement would exclude essentially all of the Foreign Ministry's Christians and Jewish members).


This requirement means that the delegate is not a drunkard and is willing and able to totally abstain from all alcohol while in TurtleShroom. If he drinks in moderation at home, he will be admitted to TurtleShroom if he is abstinent while in TurtleShroom.

The Batorys wrote:While we can send someone with only one spouse, we don't collect data on the sexual activity of our staff, so we have no idea which of our unmarried diplomats are sexually active or abstinent. Also, what about those who have been widowed?


This is okay. We assume chastity until proven a "slut". If the applicant is unmarried, we will assume they are chaste unless proven otherwise. Widowers are exempt.

The Batorys wrote:This would exclude those of our staff who are moroii, including members of the Imperial Family.


We look at each species on a case-by-case matter. The Moroii race may not meet the theological requirements for a demon or other forbidden cryptid; we would have to be provided research and examples of a Moroii creature to deem their status in TurtleShroomian law and theology. If you wish to provide us material for research of the Moroii race, we are welcome to hear it.

The Batorys wrote:We do not collect such data about our staff. So this info only comes up when asking about someone's spouse. We don't maintain a list of who is heterosexual only and who isn't. While the Batory Empire has a fairly openly sexual culture in some ways, bragging about sexual activities in the workplace is still considered to be in poor taste, at least in places as formal as government offices.


"Don't ask, don't tell.

We exclude open homosexuals and practioners of alternate sexual lifestyles. If your candidate is homosexual, but he does not speak of it or engage in homosexual acts, he will be accepted. Celibate homosexuals who keep their lifestyle to themselves are allowed to be Legates and the like.

The Batorys wrote:
  • He shall not be a Satanist.
As defined how?


An actual worshipper (theistic worshipper) of Satan (or an equivalent), also called Lucifer, or an Atheist following the LaVeyan "Satanist" doctrine. Satan is the opposing, evil force in the Jewish and Christian religions. As Satan is the embodiment of evil, theistic Satanists usually engage in the dark arts and sorcery, as well as moral debauchery, sexual impurity, and decadence in service of the Prince of Darkness.

Atheists are unrestricted and welcome in TurtleShroom, but Atheistic "Satanists" are forbidden.

The Batorys wrote:
  • He shall not be a Pastafarian.
What is this?


Pastafarianism is a fraudulent ideology created to mirror, debunk, and mock common arguments, theology, and legal protections for organized religions, especially (but in no way limited to) Christianity. For example, a Pastafarian may try to force the state to allow them to wear a colander on their head when being photographed for identification, in protest of Islamic females wearing a hijab or other facial covering in the same. Or, a Pastafarian calling himself a "clergyman" of his "faith" may fraudulently apply for religious tax exemption unnder TurtleShroomian law, or apply for a Pastafarian "hall" to be tax-exempt as an organized religion's place of worship/church would be.

The Batorys wrote:
  • He shall not knowingly and willingly consume or drink blood.
All blood? Is Turtleshroom vegetarian then? Or do you mean specifically human?


All blood. Meat can be cooked to the point that the blood is evaporated (AKA cooked medium or upper medium-rare), so no, no one has to be vegetarian in TS.

The Batorys wrote:Does slavery include those that have been sentenced to terms of servitude by our judicial system? For clarification only.


No. Penal labor, as a punishment for a crime rendered through a fair trial by an impartial tribunal, is fully exempt from this, as it is not slavery. TurtleShroom liberally employs penal labor.

The Batorys wrote:Why is Yellowapple exempt from this pony requirement? This seems arbitrary. Also what is a Ponyist religion?


Yellowapple was one of the few sentient horse nations to respect our sovereignty and come to our defense after the Dark Harvest's attempted genocide was quashed by the military before it began. Yellowapple and TurtleShroom have always maintained cordial relations, but even Yellowapple had to isolate its embassy due to hostilities against sentient ponies in TurtleShroom.

The Batorys wrote:This may be a problem depending on the clan identity of our diplomat. Many Hyperboreans still hold to membership in ancient clans, and it may be seen as dishonorable to appear in the colors of a rival clan.


We are willing to find a compromise to this if your delegate is not culturally allowed to wear powder blue.





If you have any further questions, please write to the Legation Quarter using this address.

May God bless your great nation, and may your Emperor's reign be long, fruitful, prosperous, and successful.


Thank you.
-DEAN OF THE TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS, IN REPRESENTATION OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE KINGDOM OF TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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"NOOKULAR" STOCKPILE: 701,033 fission and dropping, 7 fusion.
CM wrote:Have I reached peak enlightened centrism yet? I'm getting chills just thinking about taking an actual position.

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Nuroblav wrote:On the contrary! Seize the means of ROBOT ARMS!
News ticker (updated 4/6/2024 AD):

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:52 pm

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Thank you for your inquery unto the Dark Harvest attempted genocide. You do not have to worry about this issue: the genocide never occured because it was halted before the killing could begin.

TurtleShroom downplays this genocide because this genocide never actually happened: it was halted before the killing could actually get underway by a military coup d'etat. The Dark Harvest genocide was ATTEMPTED, but it never got off the ground because the military intervened to prevent the killing of the targets.
Jesus loves you and died for you!
World Factbook
First Constitution
Legation Quarter
"NOOKULAR" STOCKPILE: 701,033 fission and dropping, 7 fusion.
CM wrote:Have I reached peak enlightened centrism yet? I'm getting chills just thinking about taking an actual position.

Proctopeo wrote:anarcho-von habsburgism

Lillorainen wrote:"Tengri's balls, [do] boys really never grow up?!"
Nuroblav wrote:On the contrary! Seize the means of ROBOT ARMS!
News ticker (updated 4/6/2024 AD):

As TS adapts to new normal, large flagellant sects remain -|- TurtleShroom forfeits imperial dignity -|- "Skibidi Toilet" creator awarded highest artistic honor for contributions to wholesome family entertainment (obscene gestures cut out)

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Postby The Lunar Domain » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:15 pm

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The New Lunar Republic of the Lunar Domain
The President of the Lunar Domain




Liha 'Wavumai,

I have received information about your "open letter". There are many things I could say to you right now, and many of them are not appropriate for official communications. I will be brief.
You are in your rights to be personally indignant about Turtleshroomian policy, however, this is not your job. You are a representative of our New Lunar Republic to foreign nations. You do not make unauthorized and personal diatribes against the nation you are the representative to, and will not make any more unless you wish to be immediately recalled. If I still had my former powers, you would have been immediately recalled after this incident. It is only thanks to the Prime Minister that you are not being called back to Dheghom.
Let me be clear, you are not in the Lunar Parliament anymore. You have no constituents to satisfy, and you most certainly are not up for any sort of election. This is not a soapbox upon which to air your views, nor a place to make moving speeches, which might I add, are ill informed. The Dark Harvest was never enacted.
Again, you are not in the Lunar Parliament anymore, and you are not in a place where you are meant to stand up and be honorable. I heavily recommend that you immediately retract your open letter, and keep your mouth shut, unless you want a greater screw-up than what you've already created.

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Liha 'Wavumai,

Might I say, your open letter has caused quite a stir in the Midnight Court Federal District.
I first learned of it when the President brought it up during yesterday's Cabinet meeting, and he was, dare I say, not amused (might I add, Picnesus was not either). In fact, I think I have learned some of the phrases used in Marine Corps training, without having to become a Marine or train.
The only reason you're not out of a job is because I have the authority as Prime Minister over you now. I understand your displeasure with Turtleshroomian policy - indeed, it upsets me so that such things can be instituted and be thought of as freedom - but I must inform you that the Dark Harvest was, at least officially, which should matter most to you in regards to your post, never enacted thanks to military intervention on both Turtleshroomian and foreign parts. You are a diplomat, the representative of our nation at a time when we are at last free of the stranglehold of the Orion Council, and you must conduct yourself in a restrained manner, and work upon the advice of your superiors; as such, you are to state that the Dark Harvest was never enacted.
Here's what you are going to do: you are going to immediately draft a memo to the Turtleshroomian government stating that the open letter was in error. Then, you are going to continue as you were.

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Liha 'Wavumai
Department of Foreign Diplomacy




To the Cabinet,

In response to the President, I have nothing more to say than I never once acted in politics as a thespian, although I cannot say the same of him.
In regards to the open letter, it was made in factual error, and for that, I do apologize. However, I will reiterate my discontent with Turtleshroomian policy to the Cabinet, and advise the Cabinet to pursue some form of relief for the Turtleshroomian people, although I doubt you will. This whole situation disgusts me, but I am a Warrior, and I shall conduct my duty honorably.

Signed,

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Liha 'Wavumai
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To whom it may concern,

I wish to very sincerely extend my apologies for the open letter which I authored. It does not represent my government, nor my nation. It represents only myself, whom I may add, was dearly misinformed.
I humbly wish that this does not negatively impact relations between our two nations.

Signed,

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TO THE ALLANEAN CROWN AND TO THE COURT OF THE SAME
YOUR MAJESTY:

Your criticism of the centuries old Holiness Board of Censors is one we have heard for generations. As with so many before them, His Majesty has wrongly assumed that the censorship system in TurtleShroom is a means to control and suppress the individual, free thought of the populace, and as a means for the state to exact its will on others.

It is not.

The entire reason censorship is employed in the media is for strictly moral reasons, and NEVER for means of curbing dissent or the free flow of criticism, debate, policies, petitions, and challenges against the government, and so on. TurtleShroom has NEVER employed censorship to shield the state from criticism or suppress any form of dissent. To do so is to violate our Constitution's guarentees to freedom of thought, freedom of political dissent and ideologoical association, and other such guarentees in the TurtleShroomian Constitution.

Your objection to our ban on "Marxist propaganda" is also a mistake: "Marxist propaganda" in TurtleShroom is defined as the advocation for the forcible or violent destruction of the TurtleShroomian government or of the TurtleShroomian economic system. Before the riots and the extreme violence perpetrated by Marxists, identifying as a Marxist or campaigning for Marxist ideals was not illegal or proseucted. In fact, the southeastern grasslands of TurtleShroom are home to one million Quakers who practice full communism and live in a truly communal nature. We crack down on Trotskyists, not "Bernouts" (to borrow the Americalandese pejorative for dmeocratic socialists).

The ban on "All-Female Ghostbusters" was extremely controversial in TurtleShroom and was the subject of fierce debates by the Board. It has been challenged by the producers of the film and is currently making its way through the TurtleShroomian courts, pending an appeal to the Board itself.
As a private citizen (before my appointment here), I actually objected to the censorship myself. By all accounts, the only offenses by that film were some very sexual jokes and other crude or sexual humor. This would normally earn a H2 or C rating, but certainly not anything higher. The fact that it was banned surprised many insiders in the film industry and export industries.

Possession of non-pornographic, contraband media is usually an infraction, not a misdeanor or felony, and certainly not punishable by death! Most charged with simple possession are simply fined with a ticket, without being booked or having their criminal record amended!

Capital films (XXX rating) cover things such as child pornography, depictions of rape, and so on. These are crimes against all sentient life and are condemned by all civilized nations. Surely, the Allanean realm bans pornography and pedophilia, right? If so, why do you criticize us for using capital punishment for possession, distribution, and creation of child pornography and similar atrocities? Would you not imprison someone for possessing footage of a child being raped?



As for your threats to expel us from Capintern, we challenge the Allanean Crown to answer the following:
  • Are there any other nations in Capintern that employ any form of censorship of media? If so, why are you not threatening them?
  • Are there any other nations in Capintern that are authoritarian, deny citizens free and fair elections, or otherwise repress the liberties of their citizens? If so, why are you not threatening them?
  • Are there any other nations in Capintern that censor or outlaw pornography? If so, why are you not threatening them?
  • Why do you threaten us for our employment of censorship of immorality, yet you are okay with our use of chemical weapons of mass destruction as a last resort, which violates World Assembly/Devil's Congregate conventions and has offended other nations despite justified use?
  • In light of your previous commentary praising our adherence to our treaties, why did you rescind such praise for behavior that TurtleShroom has engaged in for centuries, with no harm to anyone except those producing pornography?
  • Why do you consider pornography to be free speech? In TurtleShroomian law and mindsets, we see it as we do prostitution: an unholy business and profession, not a means of dissent or communication of ideas. We understand your libertine nature on unhealthy habits (such as hard drugs), so we won't address the myriad of health and psychological dangers that pornography presents.
  • Of all things to complain of, why expel us for censorship of vice? Wouldn't you be more concerned with our Prohibition on alcohol and other drugs, or our criminalization of fornication, sodomy, adultery, and buggery?
  • Why did you not research this issue before admitting us into Capintern?

If there is even one nation in Capintern aside from us that engages in any form of censorship, then you are a hypocrite for singling us out, unless you are willing to threaten to expel them, too.

TurtleShroom has made significant contributions to Capintern and have had the honor of aiding your nation's protection of the innocent from persecution in show trials and death camps all across Nationstates. Our agents have shared intelligence with Allanean intelligence agencies to aid in the protection of the innocent abroad, and have actively contibuted intelligence and resources to free the enslaved sentients of Nationstates. As you said, aiding in the protection of the innocent is a "darn fine" way to win the friendship of the Allanean Empire!

TurtleShroom has paid significant sums of tribute to Capintern and to the Allanean Crown, and have thus far complied with Capintern policies to their fullest. We have not met any standards for expulsion from Capintern, as outlined by Capintern bylaws and as outlined by the additional requirements for our admission to Capintern. You acknowledge that we have demonstrated significant progess since the end of the Dark Harvest and the removal of Allanean forces from TurtleShroom, and were honored to participate in the advancement of capitalism across all of Nationstates.

What's more, we have come to enjoy our assistance in defending the innocent: those actions you perform have remediated much of the ill will between TurtleShroomers and Allaneans, and have made the Christ-required forgiveness of Allanean aggression so much easier. Indeed, your nation has begun to restore its status among TurtleShroomers and among the TurtleShroomain state, to the point that many regret the embargo in the first place. Why, your nation has not been assigned to the "Evil Oversight Division" of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs since the invasion, because of your spirit of goodwill!

Why jeopardize such great steps to heal the relations between our two great nations? Are you truly willing to undo all of the improvements our relations have made together, and betray the growing trust and respect of the Allanean Crown in the hearts and minds of TurtleShroom?

Understand that expulsion from Capintern and reengaging in Allanean isolation of TurtleShroom will also suspend all agreements TurtleShroom has made as part of entering Capintern. That means that the embargo against Allanea will be returned and the sanctions on Allaean foreign investments will be reinstated, which may lead to Eminent Domain and seizure of Allanean assets in exchange for the full market value's compensation of the same, as was the case before TurtleShroom's admission to Capintern.

We (including myself as a private citizen) have come a long way in appreciating and respecting Allanea's role in the world. Actively protecting the innocent and doing good deeds all over does that pretty quickly in TurtleShroomian hearts and minds. We would prefer not to have that image of Allanea destroyed.

It is your choice to expel us from Capintern, but we advise against it. We can live without Capintern and without friendship of the Allanean state, but why would you want that? We hope that you will listen to reason and retain TurtleShroom in Capintern. Compared to many nations in Nationstates, and especially when compared to her own Region, TurtleShroom is freer and fairer than many.


Thank you.
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At the request of His Majesty’s Government, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has provided a deliberate response to all your questions. It was felt that it would be more appropriate for a response to be formulated by legal experts whose job it is to track changes in local, state, and Federal laws.

In brief, the Free Kingdom of Allanea does not have Federal censorship, except for child pornography, direct threats, and direct calls for specific crimes. Child pornography is typically defined as material wherein children were actually abused sexually during its production. In addition to this, certain areas of Allanea might have some small restrictions on advertising etc.

Fictional portrayals of heinous crimes, violence, etc. ,are not censored, although of course it’s obviously illegal to commit these crimes for the purpose of production. Within these confines, nothing in our national legislation or constitutional law will enable the censorship of a scientific or political documentary, or a horror movie.

However what Allanea does not have, is a state censorship board that pre-emptively reviews all films for moral or political reasons. There is not really a meaningful distinction between these two, especially in the realm of morality legislation. Obviously if a society is exposed to films that portray only ‘traditional’ family relationships, while non-traditional ones are censored, this will inherently delegitimize political movements for greater liberties in this area - but you know this already.

As to your questions:

Are there any other nations in Capintern that employ any form of censorship of media? If so, why are you not threatening them?

Every society has some manner of law pertaining to the media. However this does not mean that we are to accept a prior-restraint system of censorship, just because ‘some’ censorship exists everywhere. That is like saying that because Allanea has some taxes, we must now snuggle up to countries that embrace full Marxism-Leninism.

Are there any other nations in Capintern that are authoritarian, deny citizens free and fair elections, or otherwise repress the liberties of their citizens? If so, why are you not threatening them?

The requirements of CAPINTERN/Greater Prussia membership revolve around maintaining, at a minimum, respect for the rule of law, property rights and individual rights. This is from the CAPINTERN alliance charter. Fascist, totalitarian etc. states are not permitted to be members.

Are there any other nations in Capintern that censor or outlaw pornography? If so, why are you not threatening them?

Turtleshroom is not being threatened. The absolute worst-case scenario that has been offered is that you will not be a member of our highly exclusive pact, and will continue enjoy trade with Allanea, and His Imperial Majesty shall continue personally giving your people money.

This is not how our nation acts when we threaten people. Were we to threaten you, you would know.

Why do you threaten us for our employment of censorship of immorality, yet you are okay with our use of chemical weapons of mass destruction as a last resort, which violates World Assembly/Devil's Congregate conventions and has offended other nations despite justified use?


Allanea is not a member of the World Assembly. We are not responsible for its idiotic opinions.

In light of your previous commentary praising our adherence to our treaties, why did you rescind such praise for behavior that TurtleShroom has engaged in for centuries, with no harm to anyone except those producing pornography?
Why do you consider pornography to be free speech? In TurtleShroomian law and mindsets, we see it as we do prostitution: an unholy business and profession, not a means of dissent or communication of ideas. We understand your libertine nature on unhealthy habits (such as hard drugs), so we won't address the myriad of health and psychological dangers that pornography presents.
Of all things to complain of, why expel us for censorship of vice? Wouldn't you be more concerned with our Prohibition on alcohol and other drugs, or our criminalization of fornication, sodomy, adultery, and buggery?
Why did you not research this issue before admitting us into Capintern?


This is a complex issue which we will reply in depth:

The Free Kingdom, it should be noted, supports loosening restrictions on the use of alcohol, recreational, and nootropic drugs. However we’re fully aware that this is not a conventional position in the world order. For this reason we’ve not made drug legalization a condition for alliance with us. Comparatively, free speech and freedom of religion is a global consensus. Freedom of religion and speech is also shown to historically lead to greater liberties in other fields.

It’s not clear whether pornography is associated with health harm (a large amount of pseudoscientific research is promoted in this area), and moreover it is entirely possible that the minds of Mushrooms and Turtles are harmed by pornography in the ways in which the minds of human beings are not. Some people are objectively harmed - that is to say, they are triggered into painful panic attacks - by the discussion of certain political and historical subjects. We do not censor such discussion.

By the nature of pornography, it hardly ever occurs that an individual is exposed to pornography against their will. There is no scientific link between the spread of pornography and disease or acts of violence of any kind, and should any person choose to engage in acts of violence, that’d be entirely their responsibility (and of course prisons exist for those people).

As for buggery, we have received repeated reports that Turtleshroom residents, due to some bizarre genetic mishap, experience severe physical pain in the presence of same-sex couples. We simply see it as pointless to attempt to encourage a form of liberalism on a population biologically incapable of accepting it.

However, we see that an important segment of our message has been omitted, that is to say, the ban on anti-aging therapies and cryonic research. This is in fact at least as important as censorship is not more, as it constitutes a form of mass-murder. If a country prohibited penicillin, or treatment for malaria, we would not willingly associate with that nation. A nation that prohibits research in anti-aging treatment condemns hundreds of thousands of people every year to death from a debilitating disease.

For that is what aging is: a debilitating, terrible disease that leads to death.

Again, the issue here is not that this research needs to be funded by the state, or provided to citizens free of charge, but that citizens are meant to be able to carry out this research on their own dime.

These are major violations of sapient rights. The right to academic freedom and to medical treatment, are recognized by every civilized nation on Earth. If a nation prohibted a cure for malaria, you would invade faster than a hurricane.

We, again, seek for your reasonable responses - not, in fact, some argument about who is hypocritical, who is right, and who is wrong.

You can keep these laws, or you can keep your membership card in our exclusive, capitalist, club of liberty and wealth where we hang out with elves, pelt Communists and slavers with cruise missiles, and snuggle adorable kittens we’ve just rescued from some manner of tyrannous state.

Your choice!
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TO THE ALLANEAN CROWN AND TO THE COURT OF THE SAME
YOUR MAJESTY:

TurtleShroomers do not "experience physical pain" at the sight of homosexuality. We have no idea where you get your information, but that is false. If you're talking about nausea among some in the presence of certain sexual activites (prostitution, seeing public sex in the middle of a public area, occasional issues with some bodily fluids everywhere), that's not an "innate genetic mishap" or anything aside from culture and raising.




You act as if we do not respect the rights of TurtleShroomian citizenry. You, of all people, should know this about our country.
We are going to have to outlaw the freedoms guarenteed and secured in TurtleShroom again, just to refresh you on the fact that TurtleShroom is not some sort of totalitarian nightmare of a state.

TurtleShroom has enjoyed freedom of religion for centuries, guarentees all forms of dissent and all criticism of all policies of Church and state (etc.), protects the right of the citizenry to keep and bare arms, and ensures freedom of contract and a largely Free Market, subject only to liability for injury or death and criminal law. The TurtleShroomian Constitution secures an extensive list of rights to its citizens. Remember, rights are not given by the state, but secured by the state because rights exceed the laws of man and eminate from either nature itself or God Himself.

TurtleShroom is a World Benchmark in Political Freedoms*. We have some of the most open, fair politics in Nationstates, akin to yours. In fact, statistics seem to claim that your nation has never been as politically free as ours**!
TurtleShroom guarentees freedom of thought. TurtleShroom ensures free, open, and fair elections with free and unrestricted debate in politics. This includes challenging the Prohibition, challenging existing TurtleShroomian law (as you are doing so now), and challenging the status quo and the state itself.
(Anarchism has been banned for well over a hundred years, though, as it has been since we witnessed several violent acts in the nineteenth century by anarchists abroad.)

Citizens are guarenteed freedom of movement throughout TurtleShroom. Aside from censorship on strictly moral issues, freedom of the press and the right of anyone to publish anything, as well as to publish and distribute anti-government propaganda or information, and the ability to petition for redress of greviances (etc.), are preserved.

All TurtleShroomers are guarenteed an absolute right to a fair trial by an impartial court. They are protected from self-incrimination and a right to remain silent, from double jeopardy, and are guarenteed the right to seek legal counsel. All charges are reviewed before an unbiased grand jury of one's peers to determine if the evidence goes to trial. Outside of the military courts-martial, TurtleShroomian law presumes that anyone accused is innocent until proven guilty.

TurtleShroom protects private property, prevents Eminent Domain without extensive compensation exceeding the market value of the citizens' assets, guarentees the right to own property, protects the market from excesive meddling, prohibits a central bank, ensures private currencies, and allows for privatization of governmental assets if need be.




We apologize for failing to address the medical objections you raised in prior letters, and we will do so now. I am not an ethicist or a doctor, and in this topic, I am speaking on behalf of myself as a private individual, not the man tasked with running the Legation Quarter.

Once again, your notion that TurtleShroom "bans medical treatments for aging" is wrong, and we question where you hear such anti-TurtleShroomian propaganda.

TurtleShroom does not outlaw longevity therapies and treatments, gerontology, geriatrics, or means to extend the lifespan of a human being or other sentient creature. What TurtleShroom outlaws is the actual, indefinite cheating of death. That is, we prohibit research into biological immortality (and other forms of immotality, such as mystical/magical immortality and transhumanistic immortality) for sentient beings. It's the same reason most nations don't keep fully immobile people in a total vegetative state on life support forever.

It is not man's place to cheat death forever. Living for centuries is one thing (and research has been going on in that field in TurtleShroom since TurtleShroom has existed), but immortality is another. The same goes with the whole rmeoval of the human body for "transcendance" into a machine (a la the Victorious Decepticons). The theological and physical issues of uploading a mind are incredible in their own right, even more so, can one transfer the immortal soul out of an organic human?

Your notion that we are committing "mass murder" by denying the seeking of immortality to our citizenry, based on the totally false propaganda that we "ban anti-aging treatments", worries us. Is Urmanian feeding you these lies?

Moreso, the idea that our doctors do not do eveyrthing possible to help and care for the elderly, the sick, the poor, and so on is an affront to TurtleShroom's honor and a grevious insult to our medical community, Church-run and other hospitals, and all medical professionals in TurtleShroom who have tirelessly dedicated their lives to protecting the innocent, healing the sick, alleviating pain and suffering, attempting allowances for a peaceful death, and comforting the mourning.

TurtleShroomian medicine, and all ethics in TurtleShroomian philosphy, unanimously agree that aging is a natural end to the human life cycle. We do not see it, and have never seen it, as a "disease". It is the right of a patient to stave off aging, and it is the duty of medicine to ensure that the elderly are kept comfortable and free of pain until their death.
Therein is the rub. Death comes for us all. We can (and do) prolong life and, certainly, one of the few true duties of the state is to preserve innocent life whenever possible, but death does not cease, and even if death could be ceased, being trapped on the mortal coil for all eternity is suffering and decaying in its own right, and a far worse fate than death.

Cryogenics is illegal only for the purpose of ultimately ressurecting the dead. Simply freezing bodies is not illegal and is routinely done to preserve cadavers or assist in preventing decay of bodies and entities donated for use in forensic or scientific analysis and experimentation. We also freeze some organs for transplant and the like. In all our knowledge of foreigners in Nationstates, we have never found a culture that uses cryogenics for its death rites or burial rituals, but as that is a religious or cultural requirement, we would certainly allow ritual cryogenics for their dead, so long as the frozen bodies cannot be potentially raised from the dead in the future.

We know that pornography does not cause someone to rape or induce physical violence in frequent viewers. That is fictuitous and false. It's about as absurd as saying that video games cause violence or (my personal favorite) that guns kill people.




We are welcome to address any other questions or concerns we have, but we feel that your attempts to expel us from Capintern are politically motivated. Your nation has never gotten along with ours, and though you have made great strides (as specified in prior communications) to heal these relations, it seems that you still harbor some sort of hatred for us.
Surely, there are other nations with violations of human and sentient rights, or other behaviors you find objectionable, that you are currently ignoring or being less strigent on.


Thank you.
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Our dear friends.

We feel that, after evaluation of the information you provided about your society, Turtleshroom’s culture isn’t compatible with membership in the Capitalist Internationale. However it’s also very clear that Turtleshroom is evolving very rapidly, and has made rapid steps towards an individual liberty that’s far better than most countries on Earth.

For this reason, we would like to recommend the following actions. They are not to be seen as an expression of enmity, but as what they are - a definition of friendship that will not, as of now, include full military alliance.

We’ve discussed things with several private and public actors and would like to suggest the following course of action:

1. The government of Turtleshroom will transit to a status of CAPINTERN observer state. It will be free, if it chooses to, to cease donating to our activities.
2. The King of Allanea will disburse 5 billion NSD from the recent sales of the Hood-class SDNs, to programs building housing and aid for the poor in Turtleshroom.
3. The Tech 4 Developement charity organization, that has recently received from a foreign company enough funding to produce 5,000,000 laptops, will produce and issue these to people in Turtleshroom.
4. The Free Kingdom of Allanea will, unilaterally, retain free trade with your nation.
5. The Free Kingdom of Allanea will, unilaterally, allow all Turtleshroomers to travel to our nation by merely displaying their passport, and apply for refugee or citizen status there. For obvious reasons, a range of individuals (and particularly, remaining ponies), will be expedited for refugee status.

We hope that this is an amenable resolution to all.
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The Junta unanimously supports the compromise proposed by the Allanean Crown to declare TurtleShroom an Observer in Capintern. We appreciate and respect Allanea's understanding of our culture and the general worldview of the TurtleShroomian state and peoples.

We will, of course, be honored to continue to aid in Allanean charities' efforts to protect the innocent. General Long II, who is not a Christian, particularly commends these secular iniatives and hopes one day to tour the aid camps and see the goodwill himself. To protect the innocent is one of the few true duties of the state.

As we have said before, though homosexuality is seen as an abomination in TS and in the Christian religion, and though sodomy is a crime, God still considers them human beings (homosexuality seems to be a primarily human curse). As they are in God's Image, sinful men such as those deserve the rights and protections given to all humans (and all sentient beings) as part of their inherent, inalienable, fundamental rights. That means they deserve due process, protection from torture, and all other rights that all sentient beings have been endowed by their Creator.

Even TurtleShroom, though its sexual codes are strict, believes firmly in the belief that one is innocent until proven guilty. The  crime of homosexuality requires evidence, and that evidence must follow the appropriate channels and chains of custody to be admissible in court. In TurtleShroom, to be convicted of homosexuality, or any other crime, there must be enough evidence to prove that the accused in fact committed the crime.

TurtleShroom objects to the regimes that Allanea so nobly fights because their crackdown on homosexuality and all other sorts of crimes (not to mention the abominable repression of dissent and free speech) are kangaroo courts at best and summary executions at worst. EVERYONE, including homosexuals, deserves a FAIR TRIAL and EVERYONE has FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS that should not be denied.

What those rights entail strongly differ from nation to nation, but both Allanea and TurtleShroom are in agreement that freedoms of speech, religion, thought, and protections from governmental abuse, especially in the use of police power and in the justice system.

We truly believe that Allanea, as sinful and decadent as its cold society is, is absolutely doing God's work. Since our induction into Capintern, we have seen another side of Allanea that we never knew before. We have seen Allanea's humanity: their virtues, their altruism, and even some humility. Allaneans clearly have a passion to protect the innocent that any Christian would be proud of.

We now know that Nationstates is better because Allanea exists.

The charity work of Allanea is as extensive as that of TurtleShroom or any Christian nation that actually believes in Christianity. God is pleased, and so are we.
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Postby Comrade Commisar » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:27 am

PART I: BASIC INFORMATION

FULL COUNTRY NAME: The Greater Commonwealth of Asahina, Tsao Territories, and the Yue Empire of the North Lands.
GOVERNMENT TYPE/DESCRIPTION: Absolute Monarchy operating non-bindingly as a Constitutional Monarchy, Occupied Territory, Theocratic State.
IS YOUR NATION A MARXIST STATE OR NAZI/NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE? (Y/N) – Nay

LEGATE’S NAME: Lady Norah Scarlet of Asahina
LEGATE’S SPECIES: Human
LEGATE’S GENDER: Female
AGE OF LEGATE: N/A

DESCRIPTION OF LEGATE***:

BIOGRAPHY OF LEGATE:
Lady Norah Scarlet is the last surviving member of the aristocratic bloodline of Hetz, having travelled to the settlement of Routiers-on-Sea (later Asahina) at a young age, seeking asylum. The Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu later granted Lady Scarlet the honors of overseeing the administration of Asahina, and later the Commonwealth of Asahina, as well as representing the North Lands within foreign territories.

Following the death of Frederick von Eagles, Lady Scarlet gained custody of Lady Mary von Eagles after the decision of the House of Lords, with the growing reclusive nature of Hershel von Eagles and busy nature of Lady Rosaline Red. Since Lady Norah Scarlet held the de facto position fo Queen of the Commonwealth, this title was transferred to Lady Mary Scarlet von Eagles after the legal transfer of custody, although Lady Scarlet reigned as Queen Regent until Lady Mary Scarlet's seventeenth birthday.

Acting as representative of both the Commonwealth of Asahina and the Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu, Lady Norah has taken it upon herself to greatly expand the diplomatic endeavors of the North Lands, visiting many nations within the region to formally establish friendly relations. Despite strained relations between the North Lands and South Lands following the various 'animal-eared folk laws', War of Red, Second Auskral Civil War, Bad October incidents, situation of Litlin, treatment of High Priestess Lang the Great, treatment of Lord Richard Whyte, and several other offenses amongst other things; Lady Norah Scarlet has personally wished to mend these rifts, much to the chagrin of both the House of Lords and Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu.




PART II: SPECIFICS OF LEGATE


LEGATE’S RELIGION (include both religion and sect if applicable, e.g. “Russian Orthodox Christian”, etc.): Formerly a non-practicing member of the now defunct Church of the Guillotine in Hetz, now non-practicing member of the Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu.
LEGATE’S POLITICAL AFFILIATION: Officially none, as all formal political parties within the Commonwealth of Asahina are outlawed, although she has promoted the ideals of apathy and acceptance within social policy, though she is renown for her indifference in the workings of the government despite her status as de facto monarch.
LEGATE’S MARITAL STATUS: Single.
LEGATE’S CRIMINAL RECORD: None within the North Lands; charged with several crimes in the South Lands, through not convicted, and without merit.

HEIGHT OF LEGATE: Slightly over five feet.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY NON-MAGICAL/INNATE/PSYCHIC POWERS? – No.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? ARE THEY EXTRAORDINARY FOR HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) – N/A.

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER DIVORCED? (Y/N) – No.
IF SO, ON WHAT GROUNDS? – N/A.

BEFORE HIS ASSIGNMENT, WAS YOUR LEGATE IN A COHABITATIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX OF HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) - No.

IS YOUR LEGATE AN ORDAINED CLERGYMAN OF HIS FAITH?****** (Y/N) – Maybe. Lady Norah Scarlet has been authorized to act upon the behalf of the Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu, despite not being of the status of High Priestess.
DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE A MILITARY BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE? (Y/N) – Yes. Lady Norah Scarlet has engaged in some military endeavors, although such experiences were very limited in scope, and in an era long past.
HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ESPIONAGE, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC? (Y/N) – No.
IS YOUR LEGATE A NOBLEMAN/OF NOBLE BLOOD/HOLDING A TITLE OF NOBILITY? (Y/N)******* – Yes. Lady Norah is the last surviving member of the House of Scarlet from Hetz, and likewise, the House of Scarlet has grown to become one of - if not - the most prominent aristocratic house within the Commonwealth of Asahina. Additionally, Lady Norah Scarlet has served as the de facto Queen of the Commonwealth, Queen Regent of the Commonwealth, and has had the honors of representing the Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu.



PART III: LEGATION ACCOMPANYNMENT AND ADD-ONS


PERSONAL WEAPONS OF LEGATE, FAMILY, AND STAFF****:
  • The Sword of Thorns, a two-handed sword gracefully wrapped in the thorned vines of roses. Less of a practical weapon, and more of a ceremonial weapon, barely being able to be held - much less swung - without severe potentially severe lacerations. It is said to have been brought to Asahina from Hetz, cutting down all the enemies of the North Lands with impunity, with their blood watering the roses that surround it.
  • The Blutschwert, a two-handed sword that serves as Lady Norah's personal weapon in lieu of the Sword of Thorns, although being much shorter to accomodate Norah's height. Naturally, she does not carry it around as much as delegate a servant to carry it nearby.
  • Halberds, Pikes, and Zweihanders are all utilized by Lady Norah's escort of Heaven Chancellors.
LEGATE’S TRANSPORTATION (optional): A horse-drawn carriage for city travel, and a Commonwealth Sky Frigate for travel between cities and the nation.
LEGATE’S FAMILY BEING BROUGHT IN (list each with short description and relation)
  • Lady Mary Scarlet von Eagles, Daughter of Lady Norah Scarlet, the Queen of the Commonwealth, and perhaps occassional visitor.

LEGATE’S STAFF (list each, with reason for presence):
  • High Priestess Feng the Phoenix of Palisade, personal friend, and representative of the Far North Lands.
  • High Priestess Lang the Great of Yoitsu, personal friend, and representative of the animal-eared folk of the North Lands.
  • Noah of Amasteras, Heaven Chancellor and personal bodyguard of Norah Scarlet, like all Heaven Chancellors, he only speaks North Lander.
  • Natalie of Amasteras, Heaven Chancellor and personal bodyguard of Norah Scarlet, like all Heaven Chancellors, she only speaks North Lander.
  • Heaven Chancellors, professional soldiers and bodyguards of the North Lands who only speak North Lander.


LEGATE SPECIAL NEEDS AND ACCOMODATIONS


DOES YOUR LEGATE TOLERATE THE PRESENCE OF NON-HUMANS, OR IS HE WILLING TO DO SO? (Y/N) – Yes.
IS YOUR LEGATE NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A DRUNKARD, CONSUMER OF ALCOHOL, OR ADDICT TO ANY RECREATIONAL/NON-PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG ASIDE FROM TOBACCO?***** (Y/N) – Yes. Lady Norah Scarlet, like many other North Landers, quite enjoy the consumption of alcohol on occassion.

DOES YOUR LEGATE NEED CUSTOM/SPECIAL/ADAPTED PLUMBING? (Y/N) – No.
IF SO, WHAT IS IT: N/A.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS? (Y/N) – No.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? – N/A.

IS YOUR LEGATE OF SOUND MIND? (Y/N) - Yes.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY PHSYCIAL HANDICAPS NECCESITATING ACCESSIBILITY? (Y/N) – No.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? – N/A.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY ALLERGIES? (Y/N) – No.

IS YOUR LEGATE CAPABLE OF USING A TELEPHONE, FAX MACHINE, OR COMPUTER? (Y/N) – No.

THE CAPITAL OF TURTLESHROOM IS JONESBORO, WHICH IS IN A JUNGLE. CAN YOUR LEGATE WITHSTAND A TROPICAL RAINFOREST BIOME WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED, MONSOON WET/DRY SEASON CLIMATE? (Y/N) – Yes.


REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION


DOES YOUR LEGATE AGREE TO ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF DWELLING IN THE TURTLESHROOMIAN LEGATION QUARTER, INCLUDING SUBJECTION TO TURTLESHROOMIAN LAWS, EXTRATERRITORIALITY, AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND OTHERS? (Y/N) – Yes.

ETC.


DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? -
It is requested that the protections and privilleges of the Turtleshroomian Legate in Jonesboro are extended to the Eagles Mansion Estate in Litlin and any North Landers that may be upon the property at any given time. Moreover, in the event that Lady Norah Scarlet becomes incapcitated, or otherwise unavailable to maintain her position as representative, that Lady Rosaline Red of Asahina assume her position as representative of the Commonwealth of Asahina.


DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES, CLARIFICATIONS, OR ALERTS YOU WISH TO ISSUE THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? -[/b]


DO YOU WISH FOR TURTLESHROOM TO ESTABLISH A DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN YOUR NATION'S LEGATION QUARTERS/ETC.? (link) - Despite not having a formal diplomatic program, representatives of the South Lands are permitted audience within the House of Lords and Imperial Shrine of Yoitsu.


_____________________________________
SIGNED
Lady Norah Scarlet of Asahina
A complete mess of a nation known in-character as the 'North Lands'; populated by pious priestesses, wandering mercenaries, violent bandits, and various internal power struggles. Be careful of who you deal with.

Basically, a decentralized feudalistic society ranging anywhere between medieval and interwar.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:13 am

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TO THE ESTEEMED AASHINIAN COMMISSARIAT DELEGATION AND ITS HOUSE OF LORDS:

Lady Norah Scarlet, as you well know, is a wanted fugitive in TurtleShroom, charged with numerous crimes, including murder. This is not to mention her previous hostilities to the Christian faith or her use of sorcery and allegations of demonic activity.

Lady Norah Scarlet's application for Ambassador has been DENIED.

We suggest that you instead submit Her Excellency, Slum-Lady Red, the legendary and universally acclaimed, altruistic heroine currently residing in Litlin, as your Ambassador instead. Obviously, she will operate from the Eagles Manor in Litlin.


-LEGATION QUARTER
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Postby Menelmacar » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:30 am

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Menelmacar

25 Tuilë 31932


The doors of the office swung open with a hollow boom, and Lord Túrelio nos Fingolfin looked up as Lady Valainistima nos Fordraug stalked in, an avatar of fury. There were relatively few who could do this, but Vala had been in the foreign service for some time, and was widely considered one of Túrelio's protegés.

"Have you seen this? HAVE YOU SEEN THIS?"

She waved a flexi in the air and slapped it down on the desk. Túrelio calmly reached for it and picked it up, scanning it. Ubiquitous in Menelmacar, a flexi was a wirelessly-powered, thin, cheap, and rugged screen and data storage device, that could be used, and abused, in almost all the same ways a piece of paper could. That ruggedness, however, made it irritatingly resistant to tearing, crumpling, and throwing in the circular file, as Valainistima had discovered, not for the first time. The device could be wiped, of course, but that didn't really offer the same satisfaction; this example, at the moment, contained, and displayed, the Turtleshroomer response.

"Yes, I've seen it. And I can entirely understand why you are upset."

Valainistima flumped down into one of the chairs opposite Túrelio's, folding her arms across her chest and simmering. She glanced towards the vast window, beyond which the miles-high towers of the Eternal City shimmered rose and gold in the setting sun. "I worked in Knootoss. Even those backstabbing, treasonous wastes of carbon knew how to treat a diplomat. These....barbarian thugs still have lessons to be taught."

"You must understand, Vala," Túrelio answered calmly. "These Turtleshroomers, as you well know, are backwards and uncivilized philistines. You cannot expect from them the decorum that is thoroughly beyond them. They cannot possibly understand how to properly approach a nation where the average citizen is older than their god. What and who we are, and the power we wield, are beyond their capacity to comprehend. You speak of lessons to teach, Vala; you are teaching the special ed class."

"That much, my lord, is clear," Valainistima answered.

"Right. So -- as with a student who is slow," answered the Prefect, "progress, however minor, must be rewarded, that it might be encouraged, and greater successes ultimately attained, yes? Only with an outstretched hand and gentle patience can they be brought to civilization, though of course we will still wield the rod if needs be."

She nodded. Most of her frustration, now, was in how she knew where he was going, and that he was right.

"They have given you most of what you want," he went on. "They've approved your equipment, your personnel, your vehicles, your weapons. The blue robes -- that's strange and absurd, but it shouldn't be a problem, light blue is already one of your House colors. They have even not objected to your specification of drinking alcohol in private. Of course this PRC demand is entirely out -- there is no conflict of interest and they know it, indeed, they know they cannot force the matter and admit as much. But everything else is, ultimately, acceptable, or can be worked with. This is progress. You wanted an embassy in the city; they are giving you one in the desert. Is that so bad, really?"

Valainistima pondered this. Jonesboro was a hideous, wretched hole of a town. Identical buildings, row on row of commieblocks, no nightlife to speak of. And, of course, there were the riots -- by the time she returned to Valkia, how much of Jonesboro would even still be standing? On reflection, who would build new, there, under such circumstances? ".....No," she answered. "But that wretched, moldy hotel..." she grimaced at the thought. The photographs she had seen were of a structure that would not have even been up to code in Menelmacar. "There are probably cockroaches. And I can't possibly secure my communications there."

"So don't live there. Call it your official residence if they insist," he answered. "And make the occasional appearance -- maybe coinciding with unclassified meetings with other legates or ambassadors. Just build living quarters into the embassy -- sorry, 'extraterritorial place of work'," Túrelio raised his fingers in air quotes for this, "and live there. If they ask, you work late a lot. What are they going to do, bust in and physically drag you back to their crumbling dive of a hostel?"

Valainistima nodded. "That... that makes a lot of sense, thank you. I apologize for the outburst, my lord."

Túrelio waved it off and smiled. "Think nothing of it, Vala. I have every confidence in you. In fact you may ultimately not need to spend all that much time in Turtleshroom at all."

"Oh?" she lofted one auburn eyebrow, sitting up a bit in the chair.

"Indeed," answered Túrelio. He leaned back in his chair and steepled his fingers. "The Elentári feels it appropriate for a number of reasons -- all of which you will eventually be briefed on, but I am sure you can surmise most of them on your own -- that we expand our influence considerably in Valkia, and I am inclined to agree. It is not a done deal yet, but if this goes reasonably well we are considering placing you in charge of Valkian affairs generally."

"That would...that would be a great honor, my lord. Thank you."

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Given at Vinyatírion the Eternal, Menelmacar, this 25th day of Tuilë in the 109th year of the 222nd long-year of Menelmacar, by the hand of Lady-Ambassador Valainistima nos Fordraug, PRC Alderwoman, Eternal Ascendancy of Menelmacar, to Bubba Bubbavich Long, Grandmaster, Second Sacred Junta of Turtleshroom, greetings:

I wish to thank you for the most gracious trust you have placed in the Eternal Ascendancy of Menelmacar. The terms that you have outlined are agreeable to us. Furthermore, in recognition and reward of the efforts that Turtleshroom is making in the interest of stronger diplomatic relations with Menelmacar, we are lifting all import tariffs presently in place on Turtleshroomer trade and adding Turtleshroom to our visa waiver program. Moreover we would like to offer our expertise in settling the present climate of civil unrest in a manner which is both effective and minimizes further loss of life. I can discuss these matters with you at length, at your convenience.

However, we have consulted at length with legal experts in the Prefecture of Justice and we cannot discern how there is in any way a conflict of interest between the positions of ambassador and alderwoman. Both positions are representations of the interests and will of the Eternal Ascendancy of Menelmacar. As such, the interests espoused in both positions by definition cannot conflict, and will always align. Prefect Túrelio has agreed to look at other candidates for the alderwoman position, but it is not considered a high priority at this time, and my government has expressed its full confidence in my ability to carry out both roles with dignity and justice -- indeed, if they did not believe this, my name would not have been put forward to begin with. As you yourselves already understand, and stated, that the Eternal Ascendancy has a sterling reputation for incorruptibility and integrity, we are confident that you can understand our position.

We have reviewed the site selected for the embassy and it appears satisfactory. As requested, enclosed are all non-classified specifications for the building, which we will construct and upon which we hope to break ground early next week. Financing for the facility will be provided by the Menelmacari Prefecture of State, which will also hold ownership in full. Naturally in the interests of imperial security and diplomatic privilege we expect this facility to hold the same extraterritorial protections as my lodgings in the Legation Quarter or as would be customary for an embassy generally.

Additionally I and my staff do consent to the fingerprinting and DNA sample; however, as I am sure you will understand, in the interests of my privacy, I must require that these, and all copies made, be returned to us at the conclusion of my tenure as Ambassador to Turtleshroom, whenever that may be, and that my staff be given the same consideration.

Finally, a few minor points, for informational purposes.
  • My surname is nos Fordraug, not Nosfordraug. nos is a nobiliary particle in Quenya, and effectively translates to 'of the House of'; it is linguisitically equivalent to German von or French de.
  • The demonym for the Eternal Ascendancy is 'Menelmacari', not 'Menelmacarite'.
  • The government department by which I am employed is the Prefecture of State, not the Prefecture of Foreign Affairs. It handles foreign affairs, but that isn't what it's called.
  • Finally, the head of state of the Eternal Ascendancy of Menelmacar is not an Emperor but the Elentári, which translates roughly as 'High Queen of the Stars'. The current incumbent in that position is Her Imperial Supremacy, Lady Sirithil Finlaurë Silmariel Nerdanel Aineldalië Minyavendë nos Fëanor. While there are several places of which she is also Empress, including but not limited to Bajon, Beleriand, Mirilsirya, Mornagroth, and Amnilia, 'Empress' itself is considered a lesser title to 'Elentári', and is used in Menelmacar to denote sovereignty over realms subject to and largely controlled by, but not wholly annexed by, Menelmacar. The male equivalent of an Elentári is an Elenaran.
I hope this reference will prove useful to you in future communications.

I look forward to working with you; please contact me at your leisure to schedule trade negotiations.

May no Shadow fall upon your lands,
Lady-Ambassador Valainistima nos Fordraug
Eternal Ascendancy of Menelmacar

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:57 am

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KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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TO THE MENELMACARI CROWN AND THE COURT THEREOF, TO THE PREFECTURE OF STATE AND THE PREFECT THEREOF
YOUR GRACE:

Peace be with you.

The TurtleShroomian state and the Junta were taken by surprise at the institution of free trade with Menelmacar, but needless to say, we are not looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Your corrections have been noted: Menelmacari is your demonym, and, as odd as it is in our language, Stellar Queen (or High Queen, or High Stellar Queen, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is debating how it'll be styled) is a higher title than Empress in your realm. This was not our intent: foreign protocol assigns the Aramaic, Biblical "-ite" suffix to all demonyms until corrections are requested, and, due to the lack of detailed information on Menelmacar, we defaulted to your use of "imperial" to address the Menelmacari Crown.

We will refer to your ruler as such henceforth and sincerely apologize if we infringed on the dignity of the Stellar Queen. Indeed, the sheer amount of territory that she oversees is indicative of a great and majestic nation. Indeed, your reputation for patriotism precedes you, as it should! A citizen of a nation who does not see their nation as the greatest in their opinion is demonstrably ignorant of their own nation and its history. You have much to be proud of, and so do we, and so does all of Nationstates.

In the English language, "emperor" is the highest title a royal can achieve and literally means "king over kings". It carries with it weight, dignity, and authority far exceeding that of a king or queen, which is why your nation's manner of address was unusual to us. No word exists in the English language to describe a title higher than "emperor" (although the German word "doppelkaiser", literally "double emperor", is a foreign term for a higher title).

Moving on, let us address the objections we have heard that your great nation has to TurtleShroom's overwhelming genorosity and hospitality to foreign ambassadors.

We have received allegations of your concerns for security in the Legation Quarter and wish to restate that security is critical to the mission of the Legation Quarter, and to the dignity of the Legates or Ambassadors present. We make steps to encrypt and secure all communications to prevent other Legates or Ambassadors from intercepting the communications between TurtleShroom and foreign states. It's not like we're going to tamper with or open mail (etc.) from a foreign state, particularly due to compliance with the extraterritorality agreements we have rendered.

We've heard that the esteemed Menelmacari delegation is persnickity and insistant of cleanliness and well-kept living quarters. We must remind the delegates, then, that every room, every appliance, and every bed in the Legation Quarter is cleaned daily by our staff and, when delegatges request it, are inspected with white gloves to ensure no dust or dirt is left behind. We will certainly extend this to the honored Ambassador's quarters.

We have received your DNA, blood, and fingerprint samples (etc.) and thank you for your cooperation. However, we must remind you that we cannot return them: to do so would be unfair treatment and an insult to every other Legate and Ambassador. You do not deserve special treatment just because of your immense prosperity and extraordinarily majestic civilization.
We demand this of even our closest friends and dearest allies! Why do you dare imply that we should treat you better than them simply because of your status in the world? We are all God's Creation and we are all equal in His eyes.

Now, as for your plans for the embassy in the desert: let us make it clear that you are working there, not living there. Unlike private sector entities, all non-classified, non-state secret aspects of your building are subject entirely to approval of the TurtleShroomian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and to the Legation Quarter.

Our biggest objection is simple: we fear an attempt to circumvent the rules of the Legation Quarter by providing lodging somewhere in the Embassy. We trust that you won't do so, as you have not indicated it on a map that a bedroom will be erected, and your reputation for purity precedes you. However, the pickiness of your people and the apparent tendancy of the Menelmacari people to look down on nations like TurtleShroom as "primitive" means that you might find our generous lodgings in the Legation Quarter to be "beneath you". The temptation is there.

Although we are currently satisfied with the arrangments and layout of the proposed Embassy, we need to make this clear. The rioters' mess will be cleaned out by May. When this is done, you will lay your head in the Legation Quarter at night. Your people know history across Nationstates very well. You know full well why TurtleShroom has a Legation Quarter and why it's all on one site. Nations- entire stellar empires, galaxy-spanning masters -as advanced as Menelmacar, or even moreso, have agreed to our terms. Who are you not to do the same?

Any excuses of working late hours or a need to be on call are laughable. Your nation is one of extraordinary wealth, prosperity, and unimaginable technological advancement. You possess levitating vehicles that travel faster than our space rockets, that can lift off and land even more precisely and easily than helicopters, and, given your species' biological immorality, you certainly have the stamina and endurance to endure a twenty minute trip back to Jonesboro. Heck, you might even have the means to teleport.

Before you insist that we are mistreating an ambassador or are denying your people of the endless entitlements that they are accustomed to at home, let us remind you that the entire government of TurtleShroom was unanimous in their objection to the establishment of any form of embassy or legation in TurtleShroom. The military junta running TurtleShroom was pragmatic and forseeing enough to establish it over the objections of the entire Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Ambassadors reside in TurtleShroom at the pleasure of TurtleShroom. TurtleShroom reserves the right to dismiss arrogant or rulebreaking Legates and Ambassadors at their leisure. You conduct foreign affairs with TurtleShroom in a way that TurtleShroom sees fit. You are the messenger, envoy, and representative of your nation in TurtleShroom. As an Alderman, your esteemed Ambassador is immune from most provisions, but as an Ambassador that enjoys Diplomatic Immunity, you agreed to all terms of the Legation Quarter when you accepted the position, as your superiors at the Prefecture of State noted.

Your people rightly and zealously defend their absolute sovereignty and integrity of their nation's laws, culture, affairs of state, and more. Do you look down on us for doing the same? Surely not, because if we TurtleShroomers made laughable or rude demands against the Menelmacari Crown, it would be the right and duty of the Crown to deny us such demands when we are their guests!

Many nations see other nations as primitive, barbarous, uncultured, primitive or otherwise hostile. We do not usually do so, and we do not see it in you! Looking down on another country is a rare assumption for us. Your people may collectively, in their collective arrogance, see us as lesser because of our agrarianism and our sleepy backwater nature, as well as our lower technology, but you are playing by our rules and representing on our land.

Your Stellar Queen doesn't seem to hold this view of us, so why does the Prefecture of State? We hold no such malice to you: you and your govenrment have consistently demonstrated that Menelmacar is the height of civilization and exudes both class and dignity.

If you are going to work in TurtleShroom, you will have to learn humility, whether you wish to or not. Your esteemed Stellar Queen has demonstrated nothing but kindness, humility, and cordial actions towards TurtleShroom and this junta, so we ask that the arrogance of the Prefecture of State and its representative be put in check and follow your blessed monarch's example.

Lastly, concerning a conflict of interest: we accept your request to delay any enforcement of such. We understand how difficult it is for you to appoint a fitting Alderman and an Ambassador. Therefore, we will allow your honored delegate to serve as Alderman and Ambassador until a new Alderman has been selected and inducted. We trust the Menelmacari Crown to not delay this selection any more than needed: your representation for purity precedes you.

We thank you for your cooperation and are honored to have you with us.


May God bless your esteemed Stellar Queen, and may her reign be filled with nothing but success, prosperity, and goodwill for the Menelmacari realm.

Thank you and God bless you.
-DEAN OF THE TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS, IN REPRESENTATION OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE KINGDOM OF TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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Postby Guirin » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:23 pm

PART I: BASIC INFORMATION

FULL COUNTRY NAME: State pf Guirin

GOVERNMENT TYPE/DESCRIPTION: constitutional monarchy
IS YOUR NATION A MARXIST STATE OR NAZI/NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE? (Y/N) – National Liberal state

LEGATE’S NAME: Mr. Aoyama Shinzo

LEGATE’S SPECIES: Human

LEGATE’S GENDER: Male

AGE OF LEGATE: 39 years

DESCRIPTION OF LEGATE***: secret

BIOGRAPHY OF LEGATE:




PART II: SPECIFICS OF LEGATE


LEGATE’S RELIGION (include both religion and sect if applicable, e.g. “Russian Orthodox Christian”, etc.) Shinto

LEGATE’S POLITICAL AFFILIATION: Social Democratic

LEGATE’S MARITAL STATUS:

LEGATE’S CRIMINAL RECORD: None


HEIGHT OF LEGATE: 175 cm


DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY NON-MAGICAL/INNATE/PSYCHIC POWERS? –
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? ARE THEY EXTRAORDINARY FOR HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) – N

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER DIVORCED? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, ON WHAT GROUNDS? –

BEFORE HIS ASSIGNMENT, WAS YOUR LEGATE IN A COHABITATIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX OF HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) - N


IS YOUR LEGATE AN ORDAINED CLERGYMAN OF HIS FAITH?****** (Y/N) – Y

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE A MILITARY BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE? (Y/N) – N

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ESPIONAGE, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC? (Y/N) – N

IS YOUR LEGATE A NOBLEMAN/OF NOBLE BLOOD/HOLDING A TITLE OF NOBILITY? (Y/N)******* – N


PART III: LEGATION ACCOMPYNAMENT AND ADD-ONS


PERSONAL WEAPONS OF LEGATE, FAMILY, AND STAFF****: Pistols

LEGATE’S TRANSPORTATION (optional): 1 sedan and 1 van

LEGATE’S FAMILY BEING BROUGHT IN (list each with short description and relation) a wife, a son and 2 girls


LEGATE’S STAFF (list each, with reason for presence): 5


LEGATE SPECIAL NEEDS AND ACCOMODATIONS


DOES YOUR LEGATE TOLERATE THE PRESENCE OF NON-HUMANS, OR IS HE WILLING TO DO SO?(Y/N) – yes

IS YOUR LEGATE NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A DRUNKARD, CONSUMER OF ALCOHOL, OR ADDICT TO ANY RECREATIONAL/NON-PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG ASIDE FROM TOBACCO?***** (Y/N) – N

DOES YOUR LEGATE NEED CUSTOM/SPECIAL/ADAPTED PLUMBING? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, WHAT IS IT:

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? –

IS YOUR LEGATE OF SOUND MIND? (Y/N) - Y

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY PHSYCIAL HANDICAPS NECCESITATING ACCESSIBILITY? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? –

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY ALLERGIES? (Y/N) – N

IS YOUR LEGATE CAPABLE OF USING A TELEPHONE, FAX MACHINE, OR COMPUTER? (Y/N) – Y

THE CAPITAL OF TURTLESHROOM IS JONESBORO, WHICH IS IN A JUNGLE. CAN YOUR LEGATE WITHSTAND A TROPICAL RAINFOREST BIOME WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED, MONSOON WET/DRY SEASON CLIMATE? (Y/N) – Y


REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION


DOES YOUR LEGATE AGREE TO ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF DWELLING IN THE TURTLESHROOMIAN LEGATION QUARTER, INCLUDING SUBJECTION TO TURTLESHROOMIAN LAWS, EXTRATERRITORIALITY, AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND OTHERS? (Y/N) – Y

[BLOCTEXT]ETC.[/BLOCKTEXT]

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? - None


DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES, CLARIFICATIONS, OR ALERTS YOU WISH TO ISSUE THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? -[/b] None


DO YOU WISH FOR TURTLESHROOM TO ESTABLISH A DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN YOUR NATION'S LEGATION QUARTERS/ETC.? (link) - you already have

Mr. Shuichi Haneda
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Minister of Foreign Affairs
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KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
EXECUTIVE CABINET
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
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DEAN

TO THE GUIRINESE CROWN AND ROYAL COURT THEREOF, TO THE ROYAL REPRESENTATIVE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
HONORED REPRESENTATIVE:

As your nation has already received a delegation from TurtleShroom, you are automatically qualified for a room in the Legation Quarter. We have reserved a room for that exact purpose.

However, your application cannot be accepted as it stands, and therefore, it is PENDING.

You see, you withheld Reverend* Shinzo's description and background. As we have no knowledge of his appearence, background (aside from proof that he has never had any criminal past), or identification, and as you have not provided a description or picture of him, we cannot positively identify him for security, protection, or the recquisite DNA profiling.

We will go ahead and accept the vehicles and outfit them with flags. We will go ahead and aceept his choice of weaponry, and other material entries. However, as the good Reverend's identity remains unknown, we cannot yet accept his request.

Please correct the errors in your form and give us a description of your Legate candidate, that we may properly recognize him through customs.

Thank you, and God bles your great nation.


-DEAN OF THE TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS, IN REPRESENTATION OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE KINGDOM OF TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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Postby Cosmologica » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:46 pm

PART I: BASIC INFORMATION

FULL COUNTRY NAME: The Free Land of Cosmologica

GOVERNMENT TYPE/DESCRIPTION: Unitary Multi-Planetary Syndicalist Demarchy.
IS YOUR NATION A MARXIST STATE OR NAZI/NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE? (Y/N) – No; while many Cosmologicans greatly admire Karl Marx, and the government is ran under the principles of Syndicalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism) and Council Communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_communism), we are not a Marxist state. We despise Fascism and Nazism! In fact, both schools of thought are forbidden throughout the Free Land!

LEGATE’S NAME: Arkson Bawsau

LEGATE’S SPECIES: Yinnwi Human (humanoid)

LEGATE’S GENDER: Male

AGE OF LEGATE: 206

DESCRIPTION OF LEGATE***:

BIOGRAPHY OF LEGATE:




PART II: SPECIFICS OF LEGATE


LEGATE’S RELIGION (include both religion and sect if applicable, e.g. “Russian Orthodox Christian”, etc.) [PRIVATE]

LEGATE’S POLITICAL AFFILIATION: [PRIVATE]

LEGATE’S MARITAL STATUS: [PRIVATE]

LEGATE’S CRIMINAL RECORD: [PRIVATE] Has never committed a serious crime.


HEIGHT OF LEGATE: 284.5 CM


DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY NON-MAGICAL/INNATE/PSYCHIC POWERS? – None.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? ARE THEY EXTRAORDINARY FOR HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) –

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER DIVORCED? (Y/N) – [PRIVATE]
IF SO, ON WHAT GROUNDS? –

BEFORE HIS ASSIGNMENT, WAS YOUR LEGATE IN A COHABITATIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX OF HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) - [PRIVATE]


IS YOUR LEGATE AN ORDAINED CLERGYMAN OF HIS FAITH?****** (Y/N) – No

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE A MILITARY BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE? (Y/N) – [PRIVATE]

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ESPIONAGE, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC? (Y/N) – No.

IS YOUR LEGATE A NOBLEMAN/OF NOBLE BLOOD/HOLDING A TITLE OF NOBILITY? (Y/N)******* – No. Nobility have never existed in Cosmologica.


PART III: LEGATION ACCOMPYNAMENT AND ADD-ONS


PERSONAL WEAPONS OF LEGATE, FAMILY, AND STAFF****: Whatever will be provided for adequate defence.

LEGATE’S TRANSPORTATION (optional): Any vehicle, must be electric or a vehicle that does not run on petrol or diesel.

LEGATE’S FAMILY BEING BROUGHT IN (list each with short description and relation)
  • None.


LEGATE’S STAFF (list each, with reason for presence):
  • Security guards,
  • Private personnel.


LEGATE SPECIAL NEEDS AND ACCOMODATIONS


DOES YOUR LEGATE TOLERATE THE PRESENCE OF NON-HUMANS, OR IS HE WILLING TO DO SO? (Y/N) – Yes

IS YOUR LEGATE NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A DRUNKARD, CONSUMER OF ALCOHOL, OR ADDICT TO ANY RECREATIONAL/NON-PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG ASIDE FROM TOBACCO?***** (Y/N) – [PRIVATE]

DOES YOUR LEGATE NEED CUSTOM/SPECIAL/ADAPTED PLUMBING? (Y/N) – No
IF SO, WHAT IS IT:

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS? (Y/N) – None
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? –

IS YOUR LEGATE OF SOUND MIND? (Y/N) - Yes

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY PHSYCIAL HANDICAPS NECCESITATING ACCESSIBILITY? (Y/N) – Yes.
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? – He is 284 CM tall.

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY ALLERGIES? (Y/N) – No; is a vegetarian. Will not eat any animal product, with accordance with his religion.

IS YOUR LEGATE CAPABLE OF USING A TELEPHONE, FAX MACHINE, OR COMPUTER? (Y/N) – Yes

THE CAPITAL OF TURTLESHROOM IS JONESBORO, WHICH IS IN A JUNGLE. CAN YOUR LEGATE WITHSTAND A TROPICAL RAINFOREST BIOME WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED, MONSOON WET/DRY SEASON CLIMATE? (Y/N) – Yes


REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION


DOES YOUR LEGATE AGREE TO ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF DWELLING IN THE TURTLESHROOMIAN LEGATION QUARTER, INCLUDING SUBJECTION TO TURTLESHROOMIAN LAWS, EXTRATERRITORIALITY, AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND OTHERS? (Y/N) – Yes.

[BLOCTEXT]ETC.[/BLOCKTEXT]

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? -


DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES, CLARIFICATIONS, OR ALERTS YOU WISH TO ISSUE THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? -[/b]
Your questions are too invasive, and due to matters of national security and for the personal safety of Mr. Bawsau, we have declined to answer some of these questions.

DO YOU WISH FOR TURTLESHROOM TO ESTABLISH A DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN YOUR NATION'S LEGATION QUARTERS/ETC.? (link) -


___LEWIS MAKZEER__________________________________
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THE MONARCHY DIARCESIAN
Hypurgium Exoteric

2470 Clitylophu Street
Arcesius, Diarcesia
18 August 2017


Greetings,

The Monarchy Diarcesian would like to express its interest in establishing an embassy with your nation by submitting the attached application form.

Respectfully yours,
Hypurgess Maxence Bone


PART I: BASIC INFORMATION

FULL COUNTRY NAME: Monarchia Diarcesium (The Monarchy Diarcesian)

GOVERNMENT TYPE/DESCRIPTION: Monarchy
IS YOUR NATION A MARXIST STATE OR NAZI/NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE? (Y/N) – N

LEGATE’S NAME: Mar Estéves

LEGATE’S SPECIES: Human

LEGATE’S GENDER: Male

AGE OF LEGATE: 16

DESCRIPTION OF LEGATE***:
Skin: Dark brown
Hair: Mid-length, wavy, dark brown
Eyes: Dark brown, average-sized
Height: Very short
Weight: A bit pudgy
Build: Average

BIOGRAPHY OF LEGATE: Soccer lover, sibling to 2, record lover, and hand letterer. Entered the Hypurgium's diplomatic corps program for teenagers.




PART II: SPECIFICS OF LEGATE


LEGATE’S RELIGION (include both religion and sect if applicable, e.g. “Russian Orthodox Christian”, etc.) Jewish

LEGATE’S POLITICAL AFFILIATION: Jewish Communist

LEGATE’S MARITAL STATUS: Single

LEGATE’S CRIMINAL RECORD: None


HEIGHT OF LEGATE: 5'8"


DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY NON-MAGICAL/INNATE/PSYCHIC POWERS? – N
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? ARE THEY EXTRAORDINARY FOR HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) –

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER DIVORCED? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, ON WHAT GROUNDS? –

BEFORE HIS ASSIGNMENT, WAS YOUR LEGATE IN A COHABITATIONAL LIVING ARRANGEMENT WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX OF HIS SPECIES? (Y/N) - N


IS YOUR LEGATE AN ORDAINED CLERGYMAN OF HIS FAITH?****** (Y/N) – N

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE A MILITARY BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE? (Y/N) – N

HAS YOUR LEGATE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ESPIONAGE, FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC? (Y/N) – N

IS YOUR LEGATE A NOBLEMAN/OF NOBLE BLOOD/HOLDING A TITLE OF NOBILITY? (Y/N)******* – N


PART III: LEGATION ACCOMPYNAMENT AND ADD-ONS


PERSONAL WEAPONS OF LEGATE, FAMILY, AND STAFF****: Pistols

LEGATE’S TRANSPORTATION (optional): Two sedans, two SUVs

LEGATE’S FAMILY BEING BROUGHT IN (list each with short description and relation)
  • Kunti Estéves (Mother. Due to the special circumstances in relation to the sending of the Legate-designate, the Monarchy requires him to send a blood relative or guardian)


LEGATE’S STAFF (list each, with reason for presence): Reason: Part of the Monarchy's normal staff complement to the Legate-designate
  • 12 Diplomatic personnel
  • 10 Security personnel
  • 8 Service personnel


LEGATE SPECIAL NEEDS AND ACCOMODATIONS


DOES YOUR LEGATE TOLERATE THE PRESENCE OF NON-HUMANS, OR IS HE WILLING TO DO SO? (Y/N) – Y

IS YOUR LEGATE NOW, OR HAS HE EVER BEEN, A DRUNKARD, CONSUMER OF ALCOHOL, OR ADDICT TO ANY RECREATIONAL/NON-PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG ASIDE FROM TOBACCO?***** (Y/N) – N

DOES YOUR LEGATE NEED CUSTOM/SPECIAL/ADAPTED PLUMBING? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, WHAT IS IT:

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY MEDICAL CONDITIONS? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? –

IS YOUR LEGATE OF SOUND MIND? (Y/N) - Y

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY PHSYCIAL HANDICAPS NECCESITATING ACCESSIBILITY? (Y/N) – N
IF SO, WHAT ARE THEY? –

DOES YOUR LEGATE HAVE ANY ALLERGIES? (Y/N) – N

IS YOUR LEGATE CAPABLE OF USING A TELEPHONE, FAX MACHINE, OR COMPUTER? (Y/N) – Y

THE CAPITAL OF TURTLESHROOM IS JONESBORO, WHICH IS IN A JUNGLE. CAN YOUR LEGATE WITHSTAND A TROPICAL RAINFOREST BIOME WITH A CLEARLY DEFINED, MONSOON WET/DRY SEASON CLIMATE? (Y/N) – Y


REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION


DOES YOUR LEGATE AGREE TO ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF DWELLING IN THE TURTLESHROOMIAN LEGATION QUARTER, INCLUDING SUBJECTION TO TURTLESHROOMIAN LAWS, EXTRATERRITORIALITY, AND RESPONSIBILITIES TO HIMSELF, HIS PROPERTY, AND OTHERS? (Y/N) – Y

ETC.


DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? - N


DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL NOTES, CLARIFICATIONS, OR ALERTS YOU WISH TO ISSUE THE TURTLESHROOMIAN DIPLOMATIC CORPS? - N


DO YOU WISH FOR TURTLESHROOM TO ESTABLISH A DIPLOMATIC PRESENCE IN YOUR NATION'S LEGATION QUARTERS/ETC.? (link) - Invitation extended with automatic acceptance

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:27 pm



KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
EXECUTIVE CABINET
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS
DEAN

TO THE HONORED COUNCILMEN OF COSMOLOGICA RELEVANT IN SUCH MANNER AS THE ISSUE OF FOREIGN DIPLOMACY MAY SO PERTAIN
GENTLEMEN:

Thank you for your application. After review, our legal scholars and relevant officials of the law have deemed your nation, while under a pro-Marxist or Marxist government, is not, in itself, a Marxist state. Therefore, while we would likely have allowed for Marxists anyway, we are pleased that your Legate will not experience any risk from his ideologies or homeland's doctrine.

Your nation, as odd as its structure is, nonetheless comes across as a bizarre combination of sortition and committees. Perhaps it is like a grand jury pool of councilmen picked from the community? Regardless, the structure is extremely similar to many churches in TurtleShroom, except that ecclesiastical committees are from volunteers in the laity. Seeing that applied to a secular regime on such an immense scale, with success, is incredible. It is something we would be honored to know more about.

However, before we continue, we must sadly note that your application, as it stands, has been DENIED. All questions presented to you must be answered in order to check, identify, and confirm the moral and legal standing of your Legation candidate.

As our rules clearly state, and as you saw yourself, all candidates must be either virgins or faithful to their current wife. If they divorce, they must either be the party who did not initiate a divorce OR the initiator of a faulted divorce on the grounds of marital unfaithfulness (e.g. adultery, domestic abuse, drunkenness, etc. etc.).

Your refusal to disclose your Legate candidate's religion marital status, religion, and such is bad enough, but you even refuse to describe him outside of his height! How can we identify the Legate if you do not identify him for us? How can we trust this man to be who he says he is if he refuses to answer even the most basic questions, let alone questions about his sexual history? What if your Legation candidate's religion involved sorcery or other criminal acts in the country?

You know as well as we do that the questions you present to the Legation Quarter are kept private to those outside the Legation Quarter. We ask these question to identify the sexual and moral purity of the Legate and, in many cases, whether or not any special accommodations (such as his vegetarian diet) need to be honored.

Until we receive a completed form, we cannot accept your candidate for the Legation Quarter.


Thank you.
-DEAN OF THE TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS, IN REPRESENTATION OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE KINGDOM OF TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:21 pm



KINGDOM OF THE UNITED TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM
EXECUTIVE CABINET
MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS
DEAN

TO THE DIARCESIAN CROWN AND THE ROYAL COURT THEREOF
YOUR MAJESTY:

Thank you for your application and the application of your child. Your Legate's eagerness to instill the love of goodwill towards men (and all sentient life), to the point that she is willing to professionally enroll him (and herself) in traveling abroad to learn the ropes of international diplomacy is admirable, and should be replicated by patriots across Nationstates.

Mrs. Esteves' application for Legate, and the application of her son as a recognized senior advisor to the Legate with full diplomatic authority and immunity, have both been ACCEPTED IN FULL. All applications for diplomatic staff for the Legate and family have also been granted. All applications for security and weaponry have been granted. All identifications and validations of the Legation candidates and company have been received and deemed genuine. All vehicle permits have been granted and miniature flags of the Diarcesian realm and the TurtleShroom Diplomatic Corps will be affixed to their hoods upon their arrival.

As with all diplomatic personnel, Mrs. Esteves and Mister Mar Esteves will have be fingerprinted and have blood drawn for DNA sampling, as shall all incoming staff.

Due to the unique circumstances surrounding Mister Esteves' appointment and dispatching, as well as to ensure appropriate accomodations, legal guarantees, and customs for both applicants, it has been decided that the requisite powder blue robes given to all Legates and other representatives of nations will be rendered to both applicants. As the robes are the symbol of extraterritoriality and the legal protections of Ambassador, Legates, and others, we will fit both candidates with them to ensure neither can run afoul with the law if they represent Diarcesian separately or together. Sashes will be given to other staff per usual protocol.

We have noticed your indication that Mrs. Esteves and her son are both Jews. TurtleShroom is a deeply Christian nation well-versed in the Bible, which, of course, includes the Old Testament. There are quite a few Jews scattered throughout TurtleShroom, although they are Messianic (acknowledging Jesus/Yeshua as the Messiah). As such, we are familiar with Jewish dietary law (which they follow). Although our buffet is not Kosher-certified, we will direct both honored applicants to the Hyper Kosher Unified Board of Eateries (H-KUBE), which is the private accreditation firm concerning Kosher dining for all Jews, Messianic and otherwise. When an emergency or dire need is not occurring, it would be our privilege to allow the Legation candidates to observe their Sabbath rest each Saturday. In fact, we would expect nothing less. As all TurtleShroomian government offices forbidden by God (that is, those outside healing, fire, police services, and so on that are essential to sentient life) to operate on the Sabbath are closed (our Sabbath is Sunday), we already observe the Sabbath and keep it holy.

If you have any further questions, please contact this office at your leisure.

May the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob bless your house and all of you, His Chosen People, just as He blesses ours.


Thank you.
-DEAN OF THE TURTLESHROOMIAN STATE DIPLOMATIC CORPS, IN REPRESENTATION OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE KINGDOM OF TURTLES, MUSHROOMS, AND MEN OF TURTLESHROOM

P.S.: We advise that the candidates keep their political affiliations with Marxism a secret. While Jews are not controversial or at risk, Marxists are, as TurtleShroom is currently broken by civil wars waged by Marxists. All Legation applicants may be protected by the Chancellery Guard at their request, but in your case, we will supplement your security team with them, for the sake of protecting your Legates from aggression by anti-Marxist vigilantes.
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Arctica-Aleutia
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Postby Arctica-Aleutia » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:55 pm

The following audio recording is an official message from President Wyatt Wizzard of The Free Land of Arctica-Aleutia

Salutations. As one look through my country's data will tell you, we are very far apart in terms of ideology, but my nation has begun taking initiatives to establish diplomatic relations with numerous countries regardless of relations in hopes of preventing unnecessary conflict.

However, before we begin the process of choosing a candidate to send, there is something I feel the need to ask in the interest of the Arctica-Aleutian people.

Why does your country ban vampires from taking on a diplomatic position like this one? Although many proclaim them to be unholy creatures, they are not mentioned in the Bible to my knowledge. In addition, vampires in my country mostly follow Christianity. Even if you think they cannot be 'saved', I would think you'd be glad that they chose to serve God instead of Satan. Admittedly vampires in my country were once harmed by crosses, etc., but through some miracle this has stopped, likely due to them accepting society and religion.

I had no plans to send a vampire as a diplomat, but since much of my nation's population is vampiric I believed I should seek a response to these points before establishing relations.
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