Gael Historical Concordance [OOC][TWI Only]

[Noronica]

(You tagged me in the RMB so I'll reply)

I think this sounds good. It's get more World War One history which we are lacking a bit. In fact, I don't have anything for either world wars, so I'll be watching this space with keen interest.

[Verdon]

I'm okay with having fought Dormil at the same time as WWI, but I'd rather not have been directly involved in the Great War.

I might need an explanation as to how the forces of Dormill and Stiura were pushed out, unless some other nations in Gael would wish to push me into a multi-front war.

Verdonian occupation of Southern Ostehaar was incredibly lax. anywhere not near the border was not well supervised. It is not unlikely that Ostehaar could have secretly rearmed itself in the south, pushed me out, then pushed you out of the north.
If you were on the losing side of the great war, whatever reparations you might have been forced to make could've caused you difficulty in continuing to secure northern Ostehaar .

[Ostehaar]

Verdonian occupation of Southern Ostehaar was incredibly lax. anywhere not near the border was not well supervised. It is not unlikely that Ostehaar could have secretly rearmed itself in the south, pushed me out, then pushed you out of the north.
If you were on the losing side of the great war, whatever reparations you might have been forced to make could've caused you difficulty in continuing to secure northern Ostehaar .

Not northern - south-western. You occupied the south-eastern area, remember? :P

I'm okay with having fought Dormil at the same time as WWI, but I'd rather not have been directly involved in the Great War.

What about fighting him (a bit?) during the invasion and on-and-off while holding the Oster territories?

[Ainslie]

(You tagged me in the RMB so I'll reply)

I think this sounds good. It's get more World War One history which we are lacking a bit. In fact, I don't have anything for either world wars, so I'll be watching this space with keen interest.

Have you seen the history collaboration: WW1 WW2 TWI threads? That's where this discussion came from.

[Verdon]

Not northern - south-western. You occupied the south-eastern area, remember?
What about fighting him (a bit?) during the invasion and on-and-off while holding the Oster territories?

Ah, I read your comment wrong. The bit about rearmament of the south still stands.
That could work.

[Samudera]

tagg i might connect my history with the rest of Gael, rn im just with Ainslie

[Verdon]

Reviving this. Here's a GIF of what I imagine is our pre-0 migration history in the Gael area.

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Note that I left the Proto-Nyssic back migration stripey because I don't know which of you had them. As far as I can tell,
Proto-Gaelitic = unknown, little information (perhaps something asiatic would make sense, considering nearby Kosura-Hanua and Xrevaro, or perhaps something eurasian steppe/Caucasus considering it gives rise to a psuedo-celt, but I don't want this to be set in stone)
Proto-Nyssic = pseudo-celtic, light-skinned
Ipachi = pseudo-polynesian
NW Pacific American = self explanatory

I imagine that most proto-gaelitic culture and language has been completely obscured by successive migrations.

[Ostehaar]

Here's a GIF of what I imagine is our pre-0 migration history in the Gael area.

Oh. My. God.
This is beautiful. I LOVE this.

[Xrevaro]

Reviving this. Here's a GIF of what I imagine is our pre-0 migration history in the Gael area.

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Proto-Gaelitic = unknown, little information (perhaps something asiatic would make sense, considering nearby Kosura-Hanua and Xrevaro, or perhaps something eurasian steppe/Caucasus considering it gives rise to a psuedo-celt, but I don't want this to be set in stone)
I imagine that most proto-gaelitic culture and language has been completely obscured by successive migrations.

Amazing gif! I wanted to say that I’m completely fine with proto-gaelitic having ties to primitive Xrevaro if that’s a route you’d all like to pursue.

[Verdon]

Reviving this. Here's a GIF of what I imagine is our pre-0 migration history in the Gael area.

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Proto-Gaelitic = unknown, little information (perhaps something asiatic would make sense, considering nearby Kosura-Hanua and Xrevaro, or perhaps something eurasian steppe/Caucasus considering it gives rise to a psuedo-celt, but I don't want this to be set in stone)
I imagine that most proto-gaelitic culture and language has been completely obscured by successive migrations.

Amazing gif! I wanted to say that I’m completely fine with proto-gaelitic having ties to primitive Xrevaro if that’s a route you’d all like to pursue.

I think it's an interesting potentiality. I feel as though you and K-H are the big ASIA influences for the region, seeing as you're the root for the Khas. But like I said, very little remains of actual proto-gaelitic, so I think it should remain enigmatic.

[Thuzbekistan]

I have no idea where my people came from. I know I'm not technically gael, but I'm close enough, right?

[Dormill and Stiura]

Well, with this entire thing revived, I might as well bring the Kaelectians to light.

Now I’m wanting one of a few things to happen to the Kaelectians but I would like for feedback and direction on where to take them:

1) Kaelectian is proto-romantic, basal to Aruian.
2) Kaelectian was influenced by proto-Nyscicc immigration, to what extent is presently unknown.
3) The Kaelectian people used to rule over a kingdom that spanned the primary expense of Gael’s central mountain range, from the tip of what was once Tjiravik, through Dormill and Stiura, and as far west as they can get. Alongside that, they also had varying territories along the northern and southern coasts of Central Gael.
4) Kaelectia is shielded from the Khas-Kiriat Empire, though if the two ever fought each other is a matter of discussion.
5) At the point of Dutch Colonization, Kaelectia was suffering a decline in their kingdom, further crippled by European diseases.
6) With the formation of the Stiuraian Republic in 1655 and the United Republics in 1793, Kaelectia has developed into a quasi-European State, Dutch influences seeping into their language.
7) By the modern day, Kaelectia is among the fastest growing regions of the Federal Republic, and it’s importance in Dormill and Stiura is marked by the weight they have in the National Congress.

[Verdon]

I have no idea where my people came from. I know I'm not technically gael, but I'm close enough, right?

Which is exactly why I didn't include you in the GIF, I didn't want to overstep, and you don't have your very early history written out yet.
You are definitely close enough and you can jump in here with ideas whenever you like.

[Verdon]

Well, with this entire thing revived, I might as well bring the Kaelectians to light.

Now I’m wanting one of a few things to happen to the Kaelectians but I would like for feedback and direction on where to take them:

1) Kaelectian is proto-romantic, basal to Aruian.
2) Kaelectian was influenced by proto-Nyscicc immigration, to what extent is presently unknown.
3) The Kaelectian people used to rule over a kingdom that spanned the primary expense of Gael’s central mountain range, from the tip of what was once Tjiravik, through Dormill and Stiura, and as far west as they can get. Alongside that, they also had varying territories along the northern and southern coasts of Central Gael.
4) Kaelectia is shielded from the Khas-Kiriat Empire, though if the two ever fought each other is a matter of discussion.
5) At the point of Dutch Colonization, Kaelectia was suffering a decline in their kingdom, further crippled by European diseases.
6) With the formation of the Stiuraian Republic in 1655 and the United Republics in 1793, Kaelectia has developed into a quasi-European State, Dutch influences seeping into their language.
7) By the modern day, Kaelectia is among the fastest growing regions of the Federal Republic, and it’s importance in Dormill and Stiura is marked by the weight they have in the National Congress.

Okay, here's what I'd suggest.
1 & 2. Proto-romantic as in romance branch of languages? If that's the case, I'd scale that back to Indo-european. Nyssic reads like a celtic-romance hybrid. Since Nyssic is definitely an IE language and the only one that arose from indiginous isles people, I'd say that Kaelectian is a group from the proto-Nyssic migration.
3. Do you have a time frame for Kaelectia?
4. I'd contend this point. Both Ostehaar and Agadar successfully fended off Kirati invasions, Noronnica made peace, and Arvan is Kirati-settled. You are right in the middle of that activity. I'd say that Kaelectia also successfully fought off the Kiratis. I enjoy the current lore that Gael was an incredibly difficult area for the Khas-Kirati to invade, being so far from home and populated by strong native coalitions and kingdoms. Perhaps this could even set up some potential Medieval cooperation against the foreigners.

[Kosura-Hanua]

I think it's an interesting potentiality. I feel as though you and K-H are the big ASIA influences for the region, seeing as you're the root for the Khas. But like I said, very little remains of actual proto-gaelitic, so I think it should remain enigmatic.

K-H is definitely Asiatic in nature, but I wouldn't argue it's "big" per se. Given the fact that we're the only two around that part of the map it's a title handed over by default :]

I haven't decided what the whole BC-era (or even the millenium that followed) looks like for K-H, as it certainly wasn't the tight-knit hermit kingdom it is today. That being said, if anyone has any desire for pale-skinned Asian-esque people to have set up around Gael sometime before 1200 or so that weren't frothing hordes of AM's doing, we could possibly work something out

[Aruia]

Well, with this entire thing revived, I might as well bring the Kaelectians to light.

Now I’m wanting one of a few things to happen to the Kaelectians but I would like for feedback and direction on where to take them:

1) Kaelectian is proto-romantic, basal to Aruian.
2) Kaelectian was influenced by proto-Nyscicc immigration, to what extent is presently unknown.
3) The Kaelectian people used to rule over a kingdom that spanned the primary expense of Gael’s central mountain range, from the tip of what was once Tjiravik, through Dormill and Stiura, and as far west as they can get. Alongside that, they also had varying territories along the northern and southern coasts of Central Gael.
4) Kaelectia is shielded from the Khas-Kiriat Empire, though if the two ever fought each other is a matter of discussion.
5) At the point of Dutch Colonization, Kaelectia was suffering a decline in their kingdom, further crippled by European diseases.
6) With the formation of the Stiuraian Republic in 1655 and the United Republics in 1793, Kaelectia has developed into a quasi-European State, Dutch influences seeping into their language.
7) By the modern day, Kaelectia is among the fastest growing regions of the Federal Republic, and it’s importance in Dormill and Stiura is marked by the weight they have in the National Congress.

Okay, here's what I'd suggest.
1 & 2. Proto-romantic as in romance branch of languages? If that's the case, I'd scale that back to Indo-european. Nyssic reads like a celtic-romance hybrid. Since Nyssic is definitely an IE language and the only one that arose from indiginous isles people, I'd say that Kaelectian is a group from the proto-Nyssic migration.
3. Do you have a time frame for Kaelectia?
4. I'd contend this point. Both Ostehaar and Agadar successfully fended off Kirati invasions, Noronnica made peace, and Arvan is Kirati-settled. You are right in the middle of that activity. I'd say that Kaelectia also successfully fought off the Kiratis. I enjoy the current lore that Gael was an incredibly difficult area for the Khas-Kirati to invade, being so far from home and populated by strong native coalitions and kingdoms. Perhaps this could even set up some potential Medieval cooperation against the foreigners.

i love the general concept, as Aruias language and concept is Romance and very related to the whole concept. What Verdon added also goes well with the time frame of the Kaelecitian Kingdom. the Kirtati invasion can go well also to explain the deminishing of coastal Aruian hubs during the time period.
Verdons 4th point is something i would like to see developed a historical treaty against invasion, it also can also rise a concept of a period of Xenophobic culture in parts of Gael

[Vancouvia]

very cool Verdon

[Dormill and Stiura]

Well, with this entire thing revived, I might as well bring the Kaelectians to light.

Now I’m wanting one of a few things to happen to the Kaelectians but I would like for feedback and direction on where to take them:

1) Kaelectian is proto-romantic, basal to Aruian.
2) Kaelectian was influenced by proto-Nyscicc immigration, to what extent is presently unknown.
3) The Kaelectian people used to rule over a kingdom that spanned the primary expense of Gael’s central mountain range, from the tip of what was once Tjiravik, through Dormill and Stiura, and as far west as they can get. Alongside that, they also had varying territories along the northern and southern coasts of Central Gael.
4) Kaelectia is shielded from the Khas-Kiriat Empire, though if the two ever fought each other is a matter of discussion.
5) At the point of Dutch Colonization, Kaelectia was suffering a decline in their kingdom, further crippled by European diseases.
6) With the formation of the Stiuraian Republic in 1655 and the United Republics in 1793, Kaelectia has developed into a quasi-European State, Dutch influences seeping into their language.
7) By the modern day, Kaelectia is among the fastest growing regions of the Federal Republic, and it’s importance in Dormill and Stiura is marked by the weight they have in the National Congress.

Okay, here's what I'd suggest.
1 & 2. Proto-romantic as in romance branch of languages? If that's the case, I'd scale that back to Indo-european. Nyssic reads like a celtic-romance hybrid. Since Nyssic is definitely an IE language and the only one that arose from indiginous isles people, I'd say that Kaelectian is a group from the proto-Nyssic migration.
3. Do you have a time frame for Kaelectia?
4. I'd contend this point. Both Ostehaar and Agadar successfully fended off Kirati invasions, Noronnica made peace, and Arvan is Kirati-settled. You are right in the middle of that activity. I'd say that Kaelectia also successfully fought off the Kiratis. I enjoy the current lore that Gael was an incredibly difficult area for the Khas-Kirati to invade, being so far from home and populated by strong native coalitions and kingdoms. Perhaps this could even set up some potential Medieval cooperation against the foreigners.

1) Alright, that will work with me.
2) The timeframe of the Kingdom of Kaelectia would be from 1200 or 1300 CE until 1600
3) Also works with me, they'd fight off the Kirati Invasions with the other neighboring kingdoms.

[Cymru Celtia]

Hello fellow Gaelians ..

[Athara Magarat]

If you Gael nations are thinking of banding together against the Khas-Kiratis then could you do that around the Heavenly War time-frame?

Between 1197-1381. I think we could show up once again.

[Ostehaar]

I just want to update here that I agreed with Noronica about some more shared history, following that OOC demise of Atnaia. During the 16th-17th-18th centuries there was significant immigration of Nyssic people to Ostehaar, which assimilated into the local population to form the current Oster ethnicity.

[Mandeka]

Just wondering, did any dark-skinned people (not necessary African, but dark-skinned) migrate and live in Gael? Because my nation’s majority population is black, and I was wondering if they could’ve come from somewhere in Gael and not from IRL African slaves?

[Ostehaar]

Just wondering, did any dark-skinned people (not necessary African, but dark-skinned) migrate and live in Gael? Because my nation’s majority population is black, and I was wondering if they could’ve come from somewhere in Gael and not from IRL African slaves?

We have people with Asian-ish origin ("pseudo-polynesian") and Native-American-ish origin. Would that be dark enough?

[West Suomi]

Just wondering, did any dark-skinned people (not necessary African, but dark-skinned) migrate and live in Gael? Because my nation’s majority population is black, and I was wondering if they could’ve come from somewhere in Gael and not from IRL African slaves?

We have people with Asian-ish origin ("pseudo-polynesian") and Native-American-ish origin. Would that be dark enough?

Hmm, maybe I can adjust my nation, but I think I want blacks as my main population. I could however change my Lu and Kimbe ethnic groups into these Asian and Native American looking groups. I think I’ll do that. Did any civilizations in Gael keep slaves at any time?

[Mandeka]

We have people with Asian-ish origin ("pseudo-polynesian") and Native-American-ish origin. Would that be dark enough?

Hmm, maybe I can adjust my nation, but I think I want blacks as my main population. I could however change my Lu and Kimbe ethnic groups into these Asian and Native American looking groups. I think I’ll do that. Did any civilizations in Gael keep slaves at any time?

Oops. Stupid NS keeps on switching which account I’m using.