Gael Historical Concordance [OOC][TWI Only]

[Vancouvia]

Independence Island is a very modern name given to the large island to the east of Vancouvia; you should probably say "the island presently known as Independence Island" or just make a Nyssic name for it. Call it whatever you want.

Also, I'm still writing 1100 on, that was just as far as I gotten

[Verdon]

Updated 1000 CE map, including key as suggested. Again, this is only what I've been able to scrap together from factbooks and this thread! If I can't find it, it doesn't exist!

[Chitownia]

Might be a little late for this, but how should I get started on my history factbook? What have we decided on so far as general Gael history?

[Verdon]

Might be a little late for this, but how should I get started on my history factbook? What have we decided on so far as general Gael history?

So far, the only thing we've decided on that affects all of us is that Gael was first populated by humans in 14000 BCE, which means our native peoples all shared a very distant ancestry.

Other than that, most of the historical collaborations going on are between a couple of people. Me and Ostehaar have related native groups that migrated from the east (I think Michigonia also does, but they haven't commented here yet). Vancouvia and Noronica are working on a colonial history.

A few people have incorporated Khas-Kirati raids or conquests into their histories, but that seems quite optional.

[Vancouvia]

Illa history: Around 250 AD, the Ulfaern Kingdom maps and settles on Illa, finding it very suitable to farming. Trade between Illa and the Noronican mainland flourishes but the population gradually develops a unique agrarian culture and a series of famines slows trade down to a halt. During the War of 520, Illa adopts a policy of neutrality despite repeated Waelf requests to rebel and invade Kaern's western shores. After the war ends, King Ulfred, lacking the necessary naval and marine force required to establish permanent control over Illa, and thankful for Illa's inaction, acquiesces to Illa's independence. Thereafter, Illa becomes an isolationist state: its population stagnates, a significant technological gap develops, and generation after generation continue the agrarian lifestyle of their ancestors.

Over the next few centuries, Illa Islanders occasionally open their borders to fleeing migrants from Gael and Argus, although many of these refugees are subjected to feudalistic slavery and are assimilated into Illa culture. During the 16th century, Christianity is introduced to Illa by Spanish explorers and takes root, as well as a Caribbean-style architecture.

In 2015, a Vancouvian military force occupies the island, ostensibly to control the Argean waterways during a brief war against Bhumidol, while at the same time beginning massive humanitarian initiatives. Most Illa Islanders move to the the main Vancouvian base of Westilla, eager for supplies and education, and Vancouvia absorbs Illa into the nation without incident. Illa remains sparsely populated and most of the land is converted to high-yield farmland, becoming Vancouvia's "second breadbasket."

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Antiquity - 1000 AD: Vancouvia is uninhabited due to its freezing climate and rumors of ravenous beasts that occupy the interior of the island. No permanent settlements have been established although the southern waters have been periodically fished in for over a millennia. Its shores are very roughly mapped and some interior exploration has occurred, although most nation-states consider the Vancouvian islands to be cursed and useless. Vancouvia becomes a haven for abundant wildlife, including varying species of bears, deer, walrus, wolves, and cattle.

~900: Archaeological data suggests the first seasonal hunting camps sprung up on Rochester Hook around this time, although these were temporary and vanished several years later.

1018: Sessux rebels from Noronnica flee west in several damaged ships after a battle against King Aegen's forces. About a hundred men and women arrive on Petlan Isle (modern-day Independence Island) and begin a harsh existence, ultimately succumbing to the elements and their lack of supplies over the next twenty years, but not before introducing several mainland Argus-Gaelish animals to the ecosystem.

1072-1099: Nyssic King Edmund sends a series of exploration voyages to Vancouvia, which report back with a depiction of a land consisting of vast timber and hunting grounds. Edmund authorizes the first true permanent settlements on Vancouvia's southern shore. A new duchy, Vaenland, is created with claims over the entire island group. Roughly a thousand Nyssic settlers spread out over Vaenland, hunting the plentiful game.

1100-1400: A variety of valuable resources are discovered on Vaenland, including pearls, silver, and exotic furs which continues to drive immigration. Vaenland gradually begins to become a nation of its own: a local council government siphons off more and more authority away from Noronnica (which is busy with its own internal conflicts), a Vaenland flag and army is formed, Christianity takes root, permanent towns and castles are built, and trade flourishes. A significant fishing village, Vaenhall (modern-day Fishhook), becomes the de facto capital.

1410: Vaenland becomes one of the first nations to adopt the use of gunpowder into its army. Home-crafted hand cannons called "firehorns" begin to be mass-produced and become the chief weapon of the central army, calling themselves the Vaen Guard. A tradition of firearms begins, with Vaenland almost completely abandoning the sword and bow.

1414-1418: Vaenland is virtually completely explored and mapped. Road construction begins in an effort to link the western and eastern coast (modern-day Quotavia to Angeles) with a well-maintained highway, which is eventually completed in 1435.

1460-1461: Several villages on the western coast rise up in arms against each other in the Wilderness Wars, primarily over rights to hunting grounds. The violence is quickly halted when the Guard arrives en masse and hangs leaders on both sides of the conflict. This marks the first time mass violence occurs on the island.

1492: King Henry the IV of Noronnica dies and is succeeded by his infant son. The Vaenland Council issues the "Free Land Accords" which declare that Vaenland shall never again have a King or equivalent and shall be ruled in perpetuity by an elected oligarchy. This is a direct slight against Noronnica, but is dismissed as merely hollow words from a distant, ceremonial duchy.

1497: The right to vote is extended to any working male who has lived on the island for more than five years. The issue of what constitutes "working" proves highly contentious, although the issue is treated liberally after threats from the serf class.

1530: In the highly infamous Wild Cow War, a 500 man strong elite detachment of the Vaen Guard marches north to dispatch the growing threat of unchecked wild cattle herds, which have prevented any permanent settlements on the northern half of the island due to their aggressive stampedes and great number. A battle outside modern-day Lexington ensues, which ends in disaster for the Vaen Guard when a massive stampede charges into the soldiers carelessly camped in an open field. Over half the detachment is killed or wounded, with the remaining men forced to retreat and leave the casualties on the battlefield. The battle shatters the Vaen Guard's reputation and public confidence wanes. The incident is captured in multiple mediums, including many paintings and ballads. Inspired by the debacle, the Council beings to recruit military experts from across the region to train the Vaen Guard in professional tactics. Ironically, the loss proves to be a blessing in disguise, as the Guard grows to be a highly trained and deadly force in the following decades.

1535-1550: The Vaen Guard manages to decimate the wild cattle population through the use of smarter tactics and upgraded muskets. The cattle are pushed back to the northern cliffs and remain only a serious threat on Petlan Isle, which has grown into a haven for thieves and pirates.

1552: Vaenland formally declares complete independence from Noronnica during its civil war. Although lacking any sort of navy, the Vaenland Council is deeply optimistic that any reprisals will be halted by the Vaen Guard. No such action takes place, and Vaenland begins its course as an independent nation.

1550-1700: Vaenland centralizes its government and expands its hold on the islands. A unique silver coin, the cove, is minted and established as the official currency. An early postal system is created and proves successful. Public schoolhouses and early universities prop up and are staffed by talented scribe-professors. English explorers and missionaries bring their language to the island and it becomes the lingua franca. The Council expands to 40 members and establishes term limits. Vaenland becomes a major exporter of blubber and oils. A volunteer navy is established from existing trade vessels, although it lacks any serious power projection or command structure.

1700-1800: The Vaen Guard gains a reputation as a highly professional army for hire, and becomes one of the first modern armies to utilize hit-and-run tactics on a grand scale. Accustomed to cold climates and mountainous and forest terrain, the Guard proves to be an effective mercenary force in many skirmishes and wars across the region, including the Verdonian War of the Stripes, Noronnican conquest of Arván, and [other conflicts].

1786: A massive wildfire blazes across the inner corridor of the island, burning millions of acres of farms and timberland and killing over 3,000 residents.

1799: Growing demands for a Bill of Rights reach a boiling point when some 15,000 civilians march on Vaenhall. Local militia groups soon join civilians in an occupation of the capital. The Vaen Guard arrives in force a week later after a deployment on Petlan, exhausted and dangerously seeking a quick end to the revolt. Colonel Thomas Thantana manages to prevent any violence after a cool-headed speech reminding all of their status as fellow countrymen.

1800: Voters elect many populist candidates to the Council, including Colonel Thantana, which results in the speedy creation of a Declaration of the Rights of Men,
granting several basic rights to Vaenlanders.

1820-1830: A group calling themselves the Knights of Order gains traction, calling for a President to govern Vaenland and more check and balances to be installed against the Council. The Council declares them a treasonous organization and leaders of the group are executed without trial. The group loses appeal and falls into obscurity.

1841: Slavery is officially abolished, a largely ceremonial move, as slavery had never taken hold in Vaenland and serfdom and involuntary servitude were largely expunged by the turn of the century.

1850-1900: Vaenland begins a downward spiral referred to as the New Dark Age. Corruption plagues the Council and a period of stagnation exists. Multiple petty squabbles threaten to destroy the Council, while at the same time votes become publicly for sale for the same price as the annual "citizen tax": a concept ironically known as Equal Footing, which essentially works as a poll tax to force the poor to vote in the same officials year after year. Unemployment becomes a major issue as crowds of the unemployed join and form gangs to rule various cities. Prostitution, gambling, alcoholism, and crime abound. The Vaen Guard begins to negotiate with various gangs out of desperation, and the country is split into multiple factions vying for shreds of power.

1885-1890: The construction of a national railroad system never materializes when the Inner Argean Company files for bankruptcy after a massive embezzling scheme by the company's executive officers. Some unused "ghost tracks" are laid but later are recovered by local gangs and sold for scrap.

1893-1895: Several mercenary regiments of the Vaen Guard participate in the First Oster War on the Verdonian side, wherein they commit many atrocities against the Oster people, horrifying Vaenlanders when this is discovered later. The Council and Guard both vow to never again permit such action.

1915: Vaenland controversially begins the production of chemical gases for usage in warfare and sells them to the highest bidders.

1925-1927: The Second Oster War occurs. Vaenlanders, now deeply sympathetic for the Oster cause, join the Osters in the war to take back their country, with many regiments fighting on the front line and ironically subjected to their own chemical weapons sold to Verdon just years prior.

1930-1939: The country collapses as the Great Depression collides with internal strife. Unemployment rises to some of the highest levels in the entire region. Entire towns are abandoned, many people devolve back to the subsistence hunting of their ancestors, and the cove loses all value on the international market. The Council, deeply rotted for decades by corruption, declares martial law and hires allied gangs to fight against their rivals. A massive exodus occurs, with millions of Vaenlanders moving to Argus, Gael, and the Four Passages.

1941: Two successive hurricanes wipe out Vaenhall, the final nails in the coffin. The Council officially disbands and the remnants of the Vaen Guard becomes an army with no home. The country turns into a wasteland and refuge of undesirables. Vaenland is effectively defunct, with about a million citizens remaining in relative squalor under a dangerous anarchy.

1948: Vaenlanders shed their former name and declare themselves Codmaners, a loose attempt to rebrand as a modern fishing nation. The population stalls at around 600,000, mostly fishermen and their families.

1950-1960: Codman stabilizes and finally recovers from the depression. Codman flirts with communism but ultimately it fails to gain popularity.

[Ostehaar]

If no one has objections to Van's post, I'll add it to the dispatch as soon as I can.

[Vancouvia]

very keen to add/change anything especially where I have significant holes

[Athara Magarat]

very keen to add/change anything especially where I have significant holes

We talked this in the TG but you wanted me to post this here. So everyone please excuse me for this one time as I write something related to Vaenland.

Copy-pasted from the TG.

I saw the settlement of Vaenland thing and got interested.

It is established fact that after 1232 when Queen Magaidh married the younger brother of Selling Hang, the Nyssics and the Khas-Kirat Empire became allies. Selling Hang and some of his successors might have some interest in settling on faraway lands without any conquest and bloodshed (I know that was not the case).

Initially only some men and women from the Yakthung Thibon (the horde gifted to Queen Magaidh) would have settled at Vaenland.
However during the rule of Kham Hang from 1370 to 1381; the Kham peoples who were dominant in what is now Athara Magarat started a rebellion and threw away other Khas-Kirati tribes. They divided the huge empire into an island nation with 18 small squabbling kingdoms.
The non-Kham peoples who were chased away could have gone to Vaenland. I had initially thought of having them gone only to Bhikkustan but now I want them to have gone north to Vaenland as well. Other nations could have shunned them for the mass rape, murder and destruction they had previously brought except for Vaenland. Even Nyssics could have claimed that they accepted only Kirat-Limbus (who formed the Yakthung Thibon) as per the treaty and no other. Atnaia was unwelcoming at that time, Bhumidol has a history of not taking many refugees, Covonant was using the Khas-Kiratis as slaves, etc...you get it. Nonetheless, they all have some Khas-Kirati minority much akin to what Jews were to Europe.
Why I am doing is this is that at that time this island would have more than 10-15 times the population (not only Khas-Kiratis but various conquered peoples blahblah huge empire's population) than today's 1 million. There were hundreds of ethnic groups with their own cultures but the victorious Kham peoples enforced heavy taxation (something akin to what Muslims did to non-Muslims in their lands) on them were they to stay at homeland. And virtually every other nation would have been happy that the days of the hordes were finally gone.

So these helpless (dunno what else to call them), would have arrived at Vaenland after being kicked out by the Khams who later on got swallowed by the Atnaian Empire (that is karma, my friend) and overpopulating Bhikkustan aka Ghodakosuddhabhumi.
After that there was the 400 years of Atnaian colonization from 1515 to 1915 that could have forced many to migrate to the mythical Vaenland, etc.

With this, I can tell where the millions of displaced Khas-Kirati peoples ended up. And certainly, like I said before, not all of them could have come to Vaenland, just that they could have been more welcome at Vaenland (except for Bhikkustan) than at most other Isles nations. The Asiatic population in modern-day Vancouvia could be the Kirati peoples along with other peoples nonetheless and the Khas taking place of the
Central Asian folks.

What do you guys think?

[Agadar]

If no one has objections to Van's post, I'll add it to the dispatch as soon as I can.

Doesn't seem to include anything about my nation so I suppose it's cool.

[Noronica]

Vancouvia, I updated my history to reflect the separation. One problem was that Vancouvia was called the 'Petlan Isle', but I wrote that the name had changed to 'Vaenland' to reflect your post.

[Vancouvia]

If no one has objections to Van's post, I'll add it to the dispatch as soon as I can.

Doesn't seem to include anything about my nation so I suppose it's cool.

I would but you don't have much. Write some stuff later and we can put it in

[Vancouvia]

Vancouvia, I updated my history to reflect the separation. One problem was that Vancouvia was called the 'Petlan Isle', but I wrote that the name had changed to 'Vaenland' to reflect your post.

I thought Petlan referred to Independence and Vaenland referred to the main island

[Vancouvia]

Vancouvia, I updated my history to reflect the separation. One problem was that Vancouvia was called the 'Petlan Isle', but I wrote that the name had changed to 'Vaenland' to reflect your post.

I thought Petlan referred to Independence and Vaenland referred to the main island

Yeah sorry if this wasn't clear. I made Petlan refer to the specific eastern isle (Independence) while Vaenland is the entire island group.

"This caused many to flee the island, some taking boats and seeking refuge in and island they called, 'Petlan Isle' (now called Vancouvia)."

That's correct, but maybe change the parenthesis to (now called Independence Island).

"In 1072, Edmund authorised a settlement to be built on the previously named 'Independence Island', after being informed of its vast wealth in timber and hunting game. Near the southern shores, the Duchy of Vaenland was created, the title added to the monarch of Noronica. Edmund was re-coronated, Edmund, King of Nyssic and Duke of Vaenland."

This should not mention Independence Island and instead just mention the main Vancouvian island's southern shores. Independence/Petlan is much harsher than the main island and just slowly becomes a haven for pirates but is mostly ruled by wildlife until modern times.

"Amongst the chaos, the Vaenland Council (Vaenland was the new name for the Petlan Isle - Vancouvia) issues the "Free Land Accords" which declare that Vaenland would never have a monarch and instead shall be ruled by an elected oligarchy. "

So just remove the parenthesis part.

[Vancouvia]

very keen to add/change anything especially where I have significant holes

We talked this in the TG but you wanted me to post this here. So everyone please excuse me for this one time as I write something related to Vaenland.

Copy-pasted from the TG.

I saw the settlement of Vaenland thing and got interested.

It is established fact that after 1232 when Queen Magaidh married the younger brother of Selling Hang, the Nyssics and the Khas-Kirat Empire became allies. Selling Hang and some of his successors might have some interest in settling on faraway lands without any conquest and bloodshed (I know that was not the case).

Initially only some men and women from the Yakthung Thibon (the horde gifted to Queen Magaidh) would have settled at Vaenland.
However during the rule of Kham Hang from 1370 to 1381; the Kham peoples who were dominant in what is now Athara Magarat started a rebellion and threw away other Khas-Kirati tribes. They divided the huge empire into an island nation with 18 small squabbling kingdoms.
The non-Kham peoples who were chased away could have gone to Vaenland. I had initially thought of having them gone only to Bhikkustan but now I want them to have gone north to Vaenland as well. Other nations could have shunned them for the mass rape, murder and destruction they had previously brought except for Vaenland. Even Nyssics could have claimed that they accepted only Kirat-Limbus (who formed the Yakthung Thibon) as per the treaty and no other. Atnaia was unwelcoming at that time, Bhumidol has a history of not taking many refugees, Covonant was using the Khas-Kiratis as slaves, etc...you get it. Nonetheless, they all have some Khas-Kirati minority much akin to what Jews were to Europe.
Why I am doing is this is that at that time this island would have more than 10-15 times the population (not only Khas-Kiratis but various conquered peoples blahblah huge empire's population) than today's 1 million. There were hundreds of ethnic groups with their own cultures but the victorious Kham peoples enforced heavy taxation (something akin to what Muslims did to non-Muslims in their lands) on them were they to stay at homeland. And virtually every other nation would have been happy that the days of the hordes were finally gone.

So these helpless (dunno what else to call them), would have arrived at Vaenland after being kicked out by the Khams who later on got swallowed by the Atnaian Empire (that is karma, my friend) and overpopulating Bhikkustan aka Ghodakosuddhabhumi.
After that there was the 400 years of Atnaian colonization from 1515 to 1915 that could have forced many to migrate to the mythical Vaenland, etc.

With this, I can tell where the millions of displaced Khas-Kirati peoples ended up. And certainly, like I said before, not all of them could have come to Vaenland, just that they could have been more welcome at Vaenland (except for Bhikkustan) than at most other Isles nations. The Asiatic population in modern-day Vancouvia could be the Kirati peoples along with other peoples nonetheless and the Khas taking place of the
Central Asian folks.

What do you guys think?

After doing some research on your factbooks and everything, the only problem I have with this is millions. I want Vaenland to remain relatively sparsely populated, decline in the 1930s-1970s, and then have a massive revival due to a nuclear rush beginning in the 1980s.

Proposed addition:

1370 to 1400: Minority groups from Athara Magarat begin to arrive in Vaenland seeking a better life after the crumbling of the Khas-Kirat Empire. These people bring with them numerous scientific technologies, including advances in astronomy, mathematics, shipbuilding, and most importantly: gunpowder. Quickly becoming the dominant minority group, they were nevertheless treated fairly well by the native Nyssic-Vaenlanders, who adopted a sort of reverence for their scientific expertise. Immigrants from Athara Magarat, most seeking asylum from the expanding Atnaian Empire, continued to arrive for the next 400 years in significant number.

[Noronica]

I thought Petlan referred to Independence and Vaenland referred to the main island

Yeah sorry if this wasn't clear. I made Petlan refer to the specific eastern isle (Independence) while Vaenland is the entire island group.

"This caused many to flee the island, some taking boats and seeking refuge in and island they called, 'Petlan Isle' (now called Vancouvia)."

That's correct, but maybe change the parenthesis to (now called Independence Island).

"In 1072, Edmund authorised a settlement to be built on the previously named 'Independence Island', after being informed of its vast wealth in timber and hunting game. Near the southern shores, the Duchy of Vaenland was created, the title added to the monarch of Noronica. Edmund was re-coronated, Edmund, King of Nyssic and Duke of Vaenland."

This should not mention Independence Island and instead just mention the main Vancouvian island's southern shores. Independence/Petlan is much harsher than the main island and just slowly becomes a haven for pirates but is mostly ruled by wildlife until modern times.

"Amongst the chaos, the Vaenland Council (Vaenland was the new name for the Petlan Isle - Vancouvia) issues the "Free Land Accords" which declare that Vaenland would never have a monarch and instead shall be ruled by an elected oligarchy. "

So just remove the parenthesis part.

I have changed the factbook. Also, it's fine, I probably just misunderstood.

[Athara Magarat]

After doing some research on your factbooks and everything, the only problem I have with this is millions. I want Vaenland to remain relatively sparsely populated, decline in the 1930s-1970s, and then have a massive revival due to a nuclear rush beginning in the 1980s.

Proposed addition:

1370 to 1400: Minority groups from Athara Magarat begin to arrive in Vaenland seeking a better life after the crumbling of the Khas-Kirat Empire. These people bring with them numerous scientific technologies, including advances in astronomy, mathematics, shipbuilding, and most importantly: gunpowder. Quickly becoming the dominant minority group, they were nevertheless treated fairly well by the native Nyssic-Vaenlanders, who adopted a sort of reverence for their scientific expertise. Immigrants from Athara Magarat, most seeking asylum from the expanding Atnaian Empire, continued to arrive for the next 400 years in significant number.

Sure. I am idiot honestly (I facepalmed). Thousands not millions, corrected.

Nyssic-Vaenlanders would have no problem ain't that right, Noronica?

[Noronica]

After doing some research on your factbooks and everything, the only problem I have with this is millions. I want Vaenland to remain relatively sparsely populated, decline in the 1930s-1970s, and then have a massive revival due to a nuclear rush beginning in the 1980s.

Proposed addition:

1370 to 1400: Minority groups from Athara Magarat begin to arrive in Vaenland seeking a better life after the crumbling of the Khas-Kirat Empire. These people bring with them numerous scientific technologies, including advances in astronomy, mathematics, shipbuilding, and most importantly: gunpowder. Quickly becoming the dominant minority group, they were nevertheless treated fairly well by the native Nyssic-Vaenlanders, who adopted a sort of reverence for their scientific expertise. Immigrants from Athara Magarat, most seeking asylum from the expanding Atnaian Empire, continued to arrive for the next 400 years in significant number.

Sure. I am idiot honestly (I facepalmed). Thousands not millions, corrected.

Nyssic-Vaenlanders would have no problem ain't that right, Noronica?

BURN THE INFI-

I mean yes that would be fine, they'd be suspicious at first but soon revel in the new scientific ideas.

[Verdon]

the Guard proves to be an effective mercenary force in many skirmishes and wars across the region, including the Verdonian War of the Stripes, Noronnican conquest of Arván, and [other conflicts].

...

1893-1895: Several mercenary regiments of the Vaen Guard participate in the First Oster War on the Verdonian side, wherein they commit many atrocities against the Oster people, horrifying Vaenlanders when this is discovered later. The Council and Guard both vow to never again permit such action.

1915: Vaenland controversially begins the production of chemical gases for usage in warfare and sells them to the highest bidders.

1925-1927: The Second Oster War occurs. Vaenlanders, now deeply sympathetic for the Oster cause, join the Osters in the war to take back their country, with many regiments fighting on the front line and ironically subjected to their own chemical weapons sold to Verdon just years prior.

1930-1939: The country collapses as the Great Depression collides with internal strife. Unemployment rises to some of the highest levels in the entire region. Entire towns are abandoned, many people devolve back to the subsistence hunting of their ancestors, and the cove loses all value on the international market. The Council, deeply rotted for decades by corruption, declares martial law and hires allied gangs to fight against their rivals. A massive exodus occurs, with millions of Vaenlanders moving to Argus, Gael, and the Four Passages.

Loving this idea of a defunct military oligarchy for hire. I would imagine that the Vaen Guard would have been heavily employed by Verdon between 1890 and 1930 to help control it's territories (later on, most of these are losing battles, if that helps you curtail your population better). The point where your economic depression begins and my hiring of your armies ends coincides very well and probably helps exacerbate the downfall of Vaenland. Verdon is in large amounts of debt at this time, which nicely opens a power vacuum for Ostehaar coming in to the late 20th century.

[Vancouvia]

the Guard proves to be an effective mercenary force in many skirmishes and wars across the region, including the Verdonian War of the Stripes, Noronnican conquest of Arván, and [other conflicts].

...

1893-1895: Several mercenary regiments of the Vaen Guard participate in the First Oster War on the Verdonian side, wherein they commit many atrocities against the Oster people, horrifying Vaenlanders when this is discovered later. The Council and Guard both vow to never again permit such action.

1915: Vaenland controversially begins the production of chemical gases for usage in warfare and sells them to the highest bidders.

1925-1927: The Second Oster War occurs. Vaenlanders, now deeply sympathetic for the Oster cause, join the Osters in the war to take back their country, with many regiments fighting on the front line and ironically subjected to their own chemical weapons sold to Verdon just years prior.

1930-1939: The country collapses as the Great Depression collides with internal strife. Unemployment rises to some of the highest levels in the entire region. Entire towns are abandoned, many people devolve back to the subsistence hunting of their ancestors, and the cove loses all value on the international market. The Council, deeply rotted for decades by corruption, declares martial law and hires allied gangs to fight against their rivals. A massive exodus occurs, with millions of Vaenlanders moving to Argus, Gael, and the Four Passages.

Loving this idea of a defunct military oligarchy for hire. I would imagine that the Vaen Guard would have been heavily employed by Verdon between 1890 and 1930 to help control it's territories (later on, most of these are losing battles, if that helps you curtail your population better). The point where your economic depression begins and my hiring of your armies ends coincides very well and probably helps exacerbate the downfall of Vaenland. Verdon is in large amounts of debt at this time, which nicely opens a power vacuum for Ostehaar coming in to the late 20th century.

So the Vaen Guard losing in Verdonian conflicts leads to a decline in reputation, then we lose that "contract" when we side with Ostehaar in 1925 (refusing to again fight against them and needing a new client). After the war, mercenary forces lose their utility and the government grows a military debt trying to hold onto them. Does that sound good and do you have any specific conflicts or events in that time period?

[Verdon]

So the Vaen Guard losing in Verdonian conflicts leads to a decline in reputation, then we lose that "contract" when we side with Ostehaar in 1925 (refusing to again fight against them and needing a new client). After the war, mercenary forces lose their utility and the government grows a military debt trying to hold onto them. Does that sound good and do you have any specific conflicts or events in that time period?

Yes. excellent.
Unfortunately Ostehaar is the only one I've tied my short-lived empire to. As is the way in north-east, people don't stick around that long. I need to get with Ainslie to see if he's willing. Otherwise I usually depict the Verdonian holdings as the nearby, unoccupied lands as to not step on anyones' toes. something like this:

I vaguely call the withdrawal from Verdonian oversea holdings as "The Frontier Wars", if you'd like to use that as a namespace.

[Verdon]

1500, as far as I could gather:

[Athara Magarat]

1500, as far as I could gather:
(Image)

Verdon sir, I don't want to sound like a jerk but there are some corrections.

Karahar was invaded by one of the several groups Khas-Kiratis fleeing modern-day Athara Magarat after the dissolution of their empire. They came in 1457 and were only in power for 13 years before the Hunnic peoples crushed and chased them away; possibly to other Gael areas with Khas-Kirati populations Vaenland, Arvan and Noronica.

I think Hunnic peoples and other nonadic ethnic groups from Karahar ought to be on that map. I think you shoul contact him as well since he is in Gael.

And Noronica, were the Kirat-Sunuwars the dominant people in Arvan during the 1500s or had the Nyssics turned them into minorities?

[Noronica]

1500, as far as I could gather:
(Image)

Verdon sir, I don't want to sound like a jerk but there are some corrections.

Karahar was invaded by one of the several groups Khas-Kiratis fleeing modern-day Athara Magarat after the dissolution of their empire. They came in 1457 and were only in power for 13 years before the Hunnic peoples crushed and chased them away; possibly to other Gael areas with Khas-Kirati populations Vaenland, Arvan and Noronica.

I think Hunnic peoples and other nonadic ethnic groups from Karahar ought to be on that map. I think you shoul contact him as well since he is in Gael.

And Noronica, were the Kirat-Sunuwars the dominant people in Arvan during the 1500s or had the Nyssics turned them into minorities?

The Kirat-Sunuwars are dominant for at least half the century before the whole peninsula is in the same metaphorical boat as the population of Arván struggles to survive their poor agricultural existence.

[Agadar]

Apologies if this sounds lazy on my part, but if there are suggestions to interweave my history with one of yours, I'm all ears.

[Verdon]

Karahar was invaded by one of the several groups Khas-Kiratis fleeing modern-day Athara Magarat after the dissolution of their empire. They came in 1457 and were only in power for 13 years before the Hunnic peoples crushed and chased them away

I think Hunnic peoples and other nonadic ethnic groups from Karahar ought to be on that map. I think you shoul contact him as well since he is in Gael.

And Noronica, were the Kirat-Sunuwars the dominant people in Arvan during the 1500s or had the Nyssics turned them into minorities?

Yep, completely misread the 13 years bit, I'll switch the label to Karahar. I contacted everyone on Gael at the time of the start of the thread, Karahar included.

You're going to have to show me where this is written, because I can't find it in anyone's factbooks.