Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Gallia-]

Ye.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

If you have 150 ton tanks you can presumably have an SHF antennae farm slightly larger than a Cessna 172's hangar.

Anyway giant super tanks probably aren't stupendous weapons in nuclear combat. A defensive nuclear army just needs radios, lots of them, and nuclear weapons. If everything is supposed to be nuked the second it sneezes across the border you can cut out a lot of junk, like mortars and attack helicopters, and replace them with nuclear missiles guided by guys wielding joysticks hooked up to a radio.

A nuclear defensive army might have like a wheeled thing. Like BTR Zhalo. Or a tiny tank, like 2S25 or M8 AGS.

Giant super tanks are probably non-nuclear offensive weapons. The giant super tank I posted is just supposed to drive around in a steppe and bomb people with a long range gun-howitzer, shoot dozens of fiber optic missiles or loitering anti-tank drones, and have a dozen guys in power armor hang off the side riding it into combat. But it doesn't shoot nukes or anything. I guess if it were a robot it would shoot nukes though.

First of all, nuclear missiles can and will be intercepted. The enemy has an extremely advanced EW and anti missile defense systems, so does our nation, and as such we have to rely on nuclear artillery. However, we somehow worked around this by putting guys who guide these missiles inside them. You’ve probably never heard of it, but there is a very neat Russian fiction book called “Omon Ra” that includes a “secret story” of piloted ICMBS. Since our nation really loves torturing the embryos and seeing what will happen we’ve engineered a sort of “human guidance computer”. The problem is that we have more tactical nukes than such “computers”. Furthermore, we have to rely on giant ( it’s actually not that giant like 1,5 IRL Maus tanks size) tanks because of being extremely limited on human resources. As such, we have to spend them very thoughtful, making sure that every soldier will deal as much damage as possible before he will kick the bucket.

[Dtn]

[ You’ve probably never heard of it, but there is a very neat Russian fiction book called “Omon Ra” that includes a “secret story” of piloted ICMBS.

Gravity's Rainbow is better.

Absurdity is fine but there's no need to force it.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

[ You’ve probably never heard of it, but there is a very neat Russian fiction book called “Omon Ra” that includes a “secret story” of piloted ICMBS.

Gravity's Rainbow is better.

Absurdity is fine but there's no need to force it.

Why would you call my nuclear tanks absurd... If you’re talking about Omon Ra, then thanks for telling me ‘bout a book I’ve never read. Will check it out soon.

[Lamoni]

Because by all logical standards, they are absurd. You've been given multiple logical reasons why your gigantic tanks are a horrible idea, and have not listened to a single one, instead going for more and more ridiculous attempts to defend them.

[Allanea]

If you have 150 ton tanks you can presumably have an SHF antennae farm slightly larger than a Cessna 172's hangar.

Anyway giant super tanks probably aren't stupendous weapons in nuclear combat. A defensive nuclear army just needs radios, lots of them, and nuclear weapons. If everything is supposed to be nuked the second it sneezes across the border you can cut out a lot of junk, like mortars and attack helicopters, and replace them with nuclear missiles guided by guys wielding joysticks hooked up to a radio.

A nuclear defensive army might have like a wheeled thing. Like BTR Zhalo. Or a tiny tank, like 2S25 or M8 AGS.

Giant super tanks are probably non-nuclear offensive weapons. The giant super tank I posted is just supposed to drive around in a steppe and bomb people with a long range gun-howitzer, shoot dozens of fiber optic missiles or loitering anti-tank drones, and have a dozen guys in power armor hang off the side riding it into combat. But it doesn't shoot nukes or anything. I guess if it were a robot it would shoot nukes though.

First of all, nuclear missiles can and will be intercepted. The enemy has an extremely advanced EW and anti missile defense systems, so does our nation, and as such we have to rely on nuclear artillery. However, we somehow worked around this by putting guys who guide these missiles inside them. You’ve probably never heard of it, but there is a very neat Russian fiction book called “Omon Ra” that includes a “secret story” of piloted ICMBS. Since our nation really loves torturing the embryos and seeing what will happen we’ve engineered a sort of “human guidance computer”. The problem is that we have more tactical nukes than such “computers”. Furthermore, we have to rely on giant ( it’s actually not that giant like 1,5 IRL Maus tanks size) tanks because of being extremely limited on human resources. As such, we have to spend them very thoughtful, making sure that every soldier will deal as much damage as possible before he will kick the bucket.

You do realize that Pelevin books are absurd on purpose, right?

[Husseinarti]

If you have 150 ton tanks you can presumably have an SHF antennae farm slightly larger than a Cessna 172's hangar.

Anyway giant super tanks probably aren't stupendous weapons in nuclear combat. A defensive nuclear army just needs radios, lots of them, and nuclear weapons. If everything is supposed to be nuked the second it sneezes across the border you can cut out a lot of junk, like mortars and attack helicopters, and replace them with nuclear missiles guided by guys wielding joysticks hooked up to a radio.

A nuclear defensive army might have like a wheeled thing. Like BTR Zhalo. Or a tiny tank, like 2S25 or M8 AGS.

Giant super tanks are probably non-nuclear offensive weapons. The giant super tank I posted is just supposed to drive around in a steppe and bomb people with a long range gun-howitzer, shoot dozens of fiber optic missiles or loitering anti-tank drones, and have a dozen guys in power armor hang off the side riding it into combat. But it doesn't shoot nukes or anything. I guess if it were a robot it would shoot nukes though.

First of all, nuclear missiles can and will be intercepted. The enemy has an extremely advanced EW and anti missile defense systems, so does our nation, and as such we have to rely on nuclear artillery. However, we somehow worked around this by putting guys who guide these missiles inside them. You’ve probably never heard of it, but there is a very neat Russian fiction book called “Omon Ra” that includes a “secret story” of piloted ICMBS. Since our nation really loves torturing the embryos and seeing what will happen we’ve engineered a sort of “human guidance computer”. The problem is that we have more tactical nukes than such “computers”. Furthermore, we have to rely on giant ( it’s actually not that giant like 1,5 IRL Maus tanks size) tanks because of being extremely limited on human resources. As such, we have to spend them very thoughtful, making sure that every soldier will deal as much damage as possible before he will kick the bucket.

wow thats so cool and edgy wow thats awesome

jesus is this what NS is coming to? or was it always this bad.

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no it was always this bad.

[Gallia-]

Gravity's Rainbow is better.

Absurdity is fine but there's no need to force it.

Why would you call my nuclear tanks absurd... If you’re talking about Omon Ra, then thanks for telling me ‘bout a book I’ve never read. Will check it out soon.

I mean it is pretty silly, really. 40K started out as a parody too, before it got bad and started taking itself seriously.

[Allanea]

More seriously, since you're apparently a native speaker of Russian, let me direct you to Biryukov's Anti-Tank Warfare, which treats the issue of nuclear weapons in anti-tank combat in scientific detail:

http://militera.lib.ru/science/birukov_ ... index.html

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Because by all logical standards, they are absurd. You've been given multiple logical reasons why your gigantic tanks are a horrible idea, and have not listened to a single one, instead going for more and more ridiculous attempts to defend them.

First of all, some level of absurdity is allowable, if it produces something neat or interesting. In this case, I suppose that nuclear suicidal tactics are somewhat original. Second of all, while you may believe that some of my explanations were made up during this argument, I can safely assure you that’s not the case. I can redirect you up a VK group of another nation that effectively precedes Laka Strolistandiler. It is from another RP and, what I’m shaping LS into right now is partially based on what this country had been. There you can find both nuclear suicidal tactics, some wierd pseudo-communist stuff, etc.

I don’t really see the reasoning behind calling my defenses of these tanks ridiculous. Sure, they’re edgy, but since when things being edgy equaled being ridiculous? Is Station 12 or Kraven Corp ridiculous? These are nations far edgier than LS.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

You do realize that Pelevin books are absurd on purpose, right?

Of course. LS is somewhat absurd as well. When you write something THIS radical and unthinkable by modern society limits, it’s safe to assume that it’ll be somewhat erratic and absurd.

[Allanea]

Because by all logical standards, they are absurd. You've been given multiple logical reasons why your gigantic tanks are a horrible idea, and have not listened to a single one, instead going for more and more ridiculous attempts to defend them.

First of all, some level of absurdity is allowable, if it produces something neat or interesting. In this case, I suppose that nuclear suicidal tactics are somewhat original. Second of all, while you may believe that some of my explanations were made up during this argument, I can safely assure you that’s not the case. I can redirect you up a VK group of another nation that effectively precedes Laka Strolistandiler. It is from another RP and, what I’m shaping LS into right now is partially based on what this country had been. There you can find both nuclear suicidal tactics, some wierd pseudo-communist stuff, etc.

I don’t really see the reasoning behind calling my defenses of these tanks ridiculous. Sure, they’re edgy, but since when things being edgy equaled being ridiculous? Is Station 12 or Kraven Corp ridiculous? These are nations far edgier than LS.

I mean Kraven Corporation does a lot of stuff that's counterproductive and evil-for-evil's sake.

Kraven's policy is also not intended to be wise or intelligent in-universe - the player themselves will tell you that a lot of stuff that Kraven does is counterproductive at best and a result of Kraven leadership being insane at worst.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

I mean Kraven Corporation does a lot of stuff that's counterproductive and evil-for-evil's sake.

Kraven's policy is also not intended to be wise or intelligent in-universe - the player themselves will tell you that a lot of stuff that Kraven does is counterproductive at best and a result of Kraven leadership being insane at worst.

And haven’t I admitted that literally unleashing WMDs on your territory is counterproductive as well? I mean that to make something edgy even more scarier and horrifying is to give basic realistic background why it is the way it is. I do believe that that’s the reason why we shouldn’t be afraid/horrified when we read Omon Ra and be horrified when we read “Victory of Albrecht Durer” (Победа Альбрехта Дюрера, крутой рассказ).

[Orussia]

wow thats so cool and edgy wow thats awesome

jesus is this what NS is coming to? or was it always this bad.

...

no it was always this bad.

*insert "Always Has Been" meme here*

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

wow thats so cool and edgy wow thats awesome

jesus is this what NS is coming to? or was it always this bad.

...

no it was always this bad.

*insert "Always Has Been" meme here*

Lord in Heaven u still alyfe? <.>

[Orussia]

Lord in Heaven u still alyfe? <.>

Only sort of. My job is my life now.

Still dabble with my MGV stuff every now and then though. Have a full line of tracked vehicles now, including heavy IFVs and other goodies. Lemme go grab screencaps.

[Orussia]

Almost forgot my Imgur password lol.

[Gallia-]

*insert "Always Has Been" meme here*

Lord in Heaven u still alyfe? <.>

omigosh what a cute flag umu!~

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Because by all logical standards, they are absurd. You've been given multiple logical reasons why your gigantic tanks are a horrible idea, and have not listened to a single one, instead going for more and more ridiculous attempts to defend them.

First of all, some level of absurdity is allowable, if it produces something neat or interesting. In this case, I suppose that nuclear suicidal tactics are somewhat original. Second of all, while you may believe that some of my explanations were made up during this argument, I can safely assure you that’s not the case. I can redirect you up a VK group of another nation that effectively precedes Laka Strolistandiler. It is from another RP and, what I’m shaping LS into right now is partially based on what this country had been. There you can find both nuclear suicidal tactics, some wierd pseudo-communist stuff, etc.

I don’t really see the reasoning behind calling my defenses of these tanks ridiculous. Sure, they’re edgy, but since when things being edgy equaled being ridiculous? Is Station 12 or Kraven Corp ridiculous? These are nations far edgier than LS.

*Grins in the distance*

If only there were a way to demonstrate how a scant few megaheavy tanks are just as vulnerable to an overkill-missile (such as but not limited to tactical nuclear discharges) and not as versatile as superior maneuver-warfare (operational mobility), even if it comes at the expense of manpower and survivability. A fail is to attempt such a trade-off, but niether gain the necessary operational readiness nor strategic-maneuverability necessary to overcome these difficulties

Such as:
1. How France geared itself for attrition-warfare and one-man turrets in WW2 but simultaneously opted not to waste money training people to use said tanks with the underlying goal of finding ways to use them better and incorporate the necessary revisions).

2. Late-war Germany, specifically when they started issuing Tiger tanks to SS units and manned by kids with about 16 hours of training in an effort to stop a 2-front war against 'Merricuh, and the Red- Horde.

-If you want to bring up the Isreali defense of the 6 day war as the reason you need superheavies to preserve manpower, I'd like to hear the justification for classifying a refurbished Sherman pulled from a French scrapyard counts as a heavy tank when pitted against a Syrian IS-2.

And yes, Kravan was kinda ridiculous, yet another fun thought-experiment to counter in our color-coded warplans.

[Rhinocera]

I know that this thread is dead and no one’s going to respond but... How would my current MBT stand up against The Fearful and The Ancient M21A2? viewtopic.php?f=6&t=94635
This is my current MBT, the T-100HT. I am currently in the process of developing its successor; the T-150HT.
Would love to get an answer from The One and Only Lamoni.

I read your tanks article and my biggest issue is that it seems a bit undergunned and under armored for its size. Now I know 152mm isn’t a tiny caliber by any means, but if your talking a vehicle that’s over twice the size of the Valkyrie but using a conventional 152mm (which I think by your description in the post is actually inferior to Lamoni’s 140, then that’s a lot of extra weight without much reason behind it. Your spec mat armor is also interesting, cause for the weight it seems to be described as relatively soft skinned. 1200 mm equivalent in protection isn’t gonna stand up to a lot of NS level AT weaponry, especially the kind that will get flung at 150 ton “mobile pillboxes” as you called them. If you wanted to go the route of massive mobile pillboxes I’d say you’d need to beef up the tank, honestly there’s nothing your tank can do that a tank like the Valkyrie couldn’t. If your T-100HT was engaged by the Valkyrie my money would be on the Valkyrie. Now you mentioned nuclear tank rounds and radiation protection, but your tank is to big and too soft in my opinion to really contend with NS main battle tanks, making it a larger and less mobile MBT more or less.

Now, I’m all for supersized tanks in NS. Practicality be damned sometimes it makes things more interesting. I just don’t think the T-100HT really fills any role that a super heavy would fill.

[New Vihenia]

Vrooom.



MRAP time. although this thing is basically a "Long Range Patrol Vehicle".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Heavy tanks are all fun and games until you are that Pershing company looking at Remagen bridge and going "Nope not crossing that."

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Y'all need to see this German gypsy wagon, Frodistan included:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... auf-pz.png
This is a stolen French 75 mm M1897, on a Pak 38 carriage appropriated from a German 50 mm AT gun, on a stolen T-26 Russian tank. The muzzle brake is from Swiss Solothurn.
So literally the only German thing about this contraption is the Pak 38 carriage.