Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Gallia-]

Manpower is too valuable in the red dwarf stage of human civilization to swarm over tanks.

Red dwarf is a bit optimistic TBF. ):

[Dostanuot Loj]

I was thinking that one tank in the platoon (most likely platoon leader's tank) will carry the mine plow

this is the normal procedure yes

No it's not.
SOP is 1-2 tanks per company with a mine plow. It may or may not replace one of the 1-2 tanks with a dozer in armies that issue it.

[New Vihenia]

I feel like the turret should have a different design if it’s only stopping 30mm. It looks a lot like an Abrams.

if that stop anything larger..then it would not be in 25 ton class

[Laritaia]

this is the normal procedure yes

No it's not.
SOP is 1-2 tanks per company with a mine plow. It may or may not replace one of the 1-2 tanks with a dozer in armies that issue it.

depends on the army

back in the bad old days of the cold war it was iirc one plow per troop and one dozer blade per squadron in the British army.

though if they we ever issued out as such i guess depend on how likely they thought it was that AT mines would be an issue.

in Kosovo they barely bothered bringing the dozer blades, though i suppose that might have more to do with the challenger forcing you to chose between lower glacis protection or your engineering tool of choice

[Gallia-]

It should be tracked though.

Wheels please go.

[Chinevion]

Working on a three axis roll stabalized tank

Here's the write up so far

Stats
Main gun: 105mm
Weight: 28 tones
Top speed: 75kph
Engine: DCG CT-4180-DT/SC-950 Desil turbine
Length: 7.62m
Width: 3.048m
height: 2.8m
Thoughts?

[Purpelia]

Is that an oscillating turret I see?

[Chinevion]

Is that an oscillating turret I see?

Close, its a three axis roll stabalized turret. The germans experemented with the concept

[Purpelia]

Is that an oscillating turret I see?

Close, its a three axis roll stabalized turret. The germans experemented with the concept

Explain. When I hear German and Engineer in the same sentence I get very interested.

[Chinevion]

Close, its a three axis roll stabalized turret. The germans experemented with the concept

Explain. When I hear German and Engineer in the same sentence I get very interested.

SO imagine a tank with the ablility to stabalize on yaw pitch and roll. So X Y and Z. It accomplishes this by rolling. Even as the hull tilts, the turret stays level. Also meaning near unlimited gun depression. And I don't have any more info
However they did make a prototype

[Anemos Major]

Explain. When I hear German and Engineer in the same sentence I get very interested.

SO imagine a tank with the ablility to stabalize on yaw pitch and roll. So X Y and Z. It accomplishes this by rolling. Even as the hull tilts, the turret stays level. Also meaning near unlimited gun depression. And I don't have any more info
However they did make a prototype

(while it is pretty nifty that you found this and decided to turn it into lineart, it is also perhaps worth noting that there are some very good reasons why they chose to abandon this particular approach to gun stabilisation - entirely separately from the issue of crew in turret and the problems that poses, the turret itself ended up being cramped by virtue of how it interfaced with the tank, it's really rather heavy, difficult to adequately armour, and stupidly expensive for what it is. in the end, they just discovered the magic of automated FCS, and that was that)

(E: "Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem" if you want to find more information)

[Gallia-]

Explain. When I hear German and Engineer in the same sentence I get very interested.

SO imagine a tank with the ablility to stabalize on yaw pitch and roll. So X Y and Z.

If you make the gun do this instead you keep 90% of the benefits.

[Austrasien]

Another reason it didn't take off is that suspensions also roll-stabilize a vehicle and suspensions have improved a lot. They have not exhausted their potential either as one might always contemplate a computerized semi-active or actively controlled suspension for even better roll stability, if this is identified as a really significant problem.

[Gallia-]

I've considered using a LIDAR array on a lower glacis plate in conjunction with computer controlled independent suspension arms to predict and anticipate ground terrain ahead of an MBT and adjust accordingly, since an MBT would otherwise only receive the information immediately after the event occurs, and this would allow the MBT to essentially "pre-cache" the suspension movement and time it with the depression or bump's arrival so it isn't actuating the arms like 150-300 ms after the movement already occurred, which might throw off the shot. I'm not sure how useful it would be but I figured it would give the tank crew a smoother ride and maybe make it more accurate for fast shooting on the move.

But it was using an optical phased array and squishy brain computer because it's fturtanku of the 25th century and he is less a modern tank and more a howitzer-cum-assault-gun; much as the IFV merges into the SPAA to protect the infantry from nuclear missiles. Take from that what you will. H/e it seems kooky enough that an FCS-type thing might incorporate it using less ridiculous methods, like "fiber optics" and "microchips".

H/e I still need to draw fturtanku and I've still not decided if it's going to be an articulated death machine or something with a weapons pod with the dolphin brain inside and a support pod with power generation/life support/humans inside.

[Chinevion]

SO imagine a tank with the ablility to stabalize on yaw pitch and roll. So X Y and Z. It accomplishes this by rolling. Even as the hull tilts, the turret stays level. Also meaning near unlimited gun depression. And I don't have any more info
However they did make a prototype

(while it is pretty nifty that you found this and decided to turn it into lineart, it is also perhaps worth noting that there are some very good reasons why they chose to abandon this particular approach to gun stabilisation - entirely separately from the issue of crew in turret and the problems that poses, the turret itself ended up being cramped by virtue of how it interfaced with the tank, it's really rather heavy, difficult to adequately armour, and stupidly expensive for what it is. in the end, they just discovered the magic of automated FCS, and that was that)

(E: "Erprobungsträger mit 3-achs-stabilisiertem" if you want to find more information)

I am very aware of this, but the abilities of the design are ideal for a fast mountain fighting vehicle. But I agree with you on all points. My outlook is as long as it's just a prototype and not production I can draw crazy idea tanks. My production tanks have to be more realistic

[Austrasien]

I've considered using a LIDAR array on a lower glacis plate in conjunction with computer controlled independent suspension arms to predict and anticipate ground terrain ahead of an MBT and adjust accordingly, since an MBT would otherwise only receive the information immediately after the event occurs, and this would allow the MBT to essentially "pre-cache" the suspension movement and time it with the depression or bump's arrival so it isn't actuating the arms like 150-300 ms after the movement already occurred, which might throw off the shot. I'm not sure how useful it would be but I figured it would give the tank crew a smoother ride and maybe make it more accurate for fast shooting on the move.

But it was using an optical phased array and squishy brain computer because it's fturtanku of the 25th century and he is less a modern tank and more a howitzer-cum-assault-gun; much as the IFV merges into the SPAA to protect the infantry from nuclear missiles. Take from that what you will. H/e it seems kooky enough that an FCS-type thing might incorporate it using less ridiculous methods, like "fiber optics" and "microchips".

H/e I still need to draw fturtanku and I've still not decided if it's going to be an articulated death machine or something with a weapons pod with the dolphin brain inside and a support pod with power generation/life support/humans inside.

y not just store perfect grade terrain maps in the warmind and reference the atom interoferometer for position.

[Gallia-]

I've considered using a LIDAR array on a lower glacis plate in conjunction with computer controlled independent suspension arms to predict and anticipate ground terrain ahead of an MBT and adjust accordingly, since an MBT would otherwise only receive the information immediately after the event occurs, and this would allow the MBT to essentially "pre-cache" the suspension movement and time it with the depression or bump's arrival so it isn't actuating the arms like 150-300 ms after the movement already occurred, which might throw off the shot. I'm not sure how useful it would be but I figured it would give the tank crew a smoother ride and maybe make it more accurate for fast shooting on the move.

But it was using an optical phased array and squishy brain computer because it's fturtanku of the 25th century and he is less a modern tank and more a howitzer-cum-assault-gun; much as the IFV merges into the SPAA to protect the infantry from nuclear missiles. Take from that what you will. H/e it seems kooky enough that an FCS-type thing might incorporate it using less ridiculous methods, like "fiber optics" and "microchips".

H/e I still need to draw fturtanku and I've still not decided if it's going to be an articulated death machine or something with a weapons pod with the dolphin brain inside and a support pod with power generation/life support/humans inside.

y not just store perfect grade terrain maps in the warmind and reference the atom interoferometer for position.

Hopes and dreams have to die sometime.

But TBF I don't think it's that silly. IT will slow down like the internal combustion engine has slowed down and plateau at some point. I'm just assuming the plateauing of technological advancement after the initial "boom" is a very steady upwards trickle, which seems to be safe. Which is why LIDAR OPA and computer shocks appear in 500 years instead of 80 years. I might be off by like...an order of magnitude...but that's a fairly minor detail compared to the actual engineering benefits of such a thing. I could easily just say predictive computer-controlled suspension systems or whatever are as banal as torsion bar suspensions and large cannons are today.

100 years ago, not so much, since they still had Female tanks and rhombuses.

The dolphin brain is more for target identification/discrimination and fuzzy logic requirements anyway. Why it lives in the weapons pod are the same reason our eyeballs live inside our skulls: reduces latency. H/e I suppose you don't want fuzziness when it comes to whether or not you really need to move a suspension arm. The real question is why didn't they just grow a person brain inside the tanku and make Man Tank(TM) but I guess there is some ethical-legal restrictions on that kind of thing.

Sorry Viyk, but the future really is racist. Racist against tanku-chans. ):

Or maybe not since it means Tank Psychology becomes a real science.

[Anemos Major]

I am very aware of this, but the abilities of the design are ideal for a fast mountain fighting vehicle. But I agree with you on all points. My outlook is as long as it's just a prototype and not production I can draw crazy idea tanks. My production tanks have to be more realistic

best mountain tank is type 74

development process was basically ten guys in a committee room fantasising about billy goats packing heat

[Gallia-]

pancake tank

flatpanzers are always gud tho

[Iltica]

SO imagine a tank with the ablility to stabalize on yaw pitch and roll. So X Y and Z.

If you make the gun do this instead you keep 90% of the benefits.

What exactly does that thing do that a self-leveling sight and 2 axis stabilization can't?

[Gallia-]

Gun depression.

[New Vihenia]

So..i was thinking... about 2000mm LOS frontal armor.



Her name is "Alita" and basically a "super" Ob-195. All crews in hull, 152mm gun and 2000mm frontal hull armor and 350mm around the side of the crew capsule and 250mm roof protection. I wonder if she could remain in 65-68 metric tonne class.

[Iltica]

If you want to reduce armor volume you could taper the front of the hull inward a little bit (as seen from above). It's a little risky but it's been done before, the T-72's hull is narrower at the tip:

Some other things you could try are having all 3 crew seated tandem to make the capsule narrower, or somehow keep them in a steeply reclined position to make it vertically shorter. The smallest possible positioning is probably 3 tandem seats in a semi-fetal position with their legs almost touching their chests. Problem with that is it makes you have to defecate...

You could also make the special armor internal like the Object 490.

That won't reduce the front armor volume but it might reduce the side armor's a little bit.

But really if you're at the point where you need 2 meter thick armor you might be better off to drop it and go for a glass cannon setup.

[New Vihenia]

But really if you're at the point where you need 2 meter thick armor you might be better off to drop it and go for a glass cannon setup.

Or you pay me some dollars and i can make you tank according to your specification

[Gallia-]

So..i was thinking... about 2000mm LOS frontal armor.

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Her name is "Alita" and basically a "super" Ob-195. All crews in hull, 152mm gun and 2000mm frontal hull armor and 350mm around the side of the crew capsule and 250mm roof protection. I wonder if she could remain in 65-68 metric tonne class.

So a Armata-ified Merkava?