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Gallia-
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Founded: Oct 09, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Gallia- » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:04 pm

Vyzhva wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
No, it doesn't. What few resources are actually accessible are fairly small and mostly precious metals. The United States has plenty of mineral wealth, it just doesn't bother extracting it because, for now, it's cheaper to buy from Africa. Or Australia. Or the PRC. Or Saudi Arabia. When the time comes, we will strip mine the Rockies and build a bridge over the man-made Continental Rift.

The only problem is that people like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk might actually win and the United States surrenders completely to PRC rule. Social Credit Scores for everyone and a commissar on every Million Program apartment flat.

apparently there are million program apartment flats in sweden

but why wouldn't there be, i guess (well uh, this)


Yes I was memeing that.

Except the difference is a million flats, rather than a million apartments. As in like, actual multi-story buildings. Occupancy of 150-200 3-4 person families I guess?

Because America has a housing problem.

The commissar is there to ensure that American citizens don't renege on their agreement for social welfare by denouncing the great charity of the CPC with Rude Slander or whatever. If you do, you get evicted or sent to Wyoming to mine uranium I guess. I'd be fine if it were D.C. calling the shots for Rude Slander, but not Beijing. The PRC doesn't have enough rules based lawyerism to keep its commissars in check so it's chock full of toxic leaders and kleptocrats whereas D.C. is chock full of rules lawyers to keep the less morally scrupulous people down. Mostly.

The only problem is America might not have a million spare rules lawyers to be commissars for each apartment flat. So maybe a Federal Commissar for each county instead IDK.
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The Wyoming Peoples Front
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Founded: Nov 18, 2016
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Postby The Wyoming Peoples Front » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:22 pm

Gallia- wrote:If you do, you get evicted or sent to Wyoming to mine uranium I guess.


HEY!

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United Earthlings
Minister
 
Posts: 2032
Founded: Aug 17, 2004
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby United Earthlings » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:30 pm

Purpelia wrote:WTF man? I mean genuinely. :eyebrow:

By what logic is finding a different way to tilt the ammo box until it fits the turret you want over engineering? That's literally the equivalent of having to figure out where to fit an ammo belt for a machinegun or something like that.

And you don't even have to do that. The only reason why I even mentioned it is that I figured you'd want to maintain the BMP-3 look and its turret is round and small where as the loading system for 40mm CTA is a rectangular box that would force you to make the turret a bit egg shaped.


At the time for lack of knowledge of a better more illustrative word to use that seem the best fit, hindsight being what it is, clearly it was not. Having now done some more research on the subject, given the Commonwealth’s weapons design philosophy it would be more accurate to say it would have fallen under the logical requirements of Simplicity, Commonality and to a lesser extent Incremental Change. However, given what Gallia has said as the 40-mm would meet the Simplicity and Incremental Change clauses, should a requirement for the 40-mm be issued there would be no objection to pursuing its development.

The turret on this new IFV not sure what exact shape you would call it, but it’s probably going to look like something on a late Leopard II.



The Manticoran Empire wrote:If you read the page, you would know that over-engineering can be a good thing.


I did read the page, had you read my full post you would have noticed {read} that I addressed as much in the second paragraph.


Gallia- wrote:Overengineering is a slur that just refers to things that don't work. It has nothing to do with whether something is simple or complex. Because the people who use words like "overengineered" are often not actually engineers.


I’m not an actual engineer, I think I can be forgiven for misusing the term this once.

A 25mm loading system is not interchangeable with a 50mm loading system.

Better not adopt the 50mm because it would require work.


Has a requirement been issued for the 50-mm? Has a 50-mm loading system already been previously designed? Does the 50-mm loading system meet the cost effectiveness standards set forth versus the previous designed loading system?

Found a nice source that addresses your statement and I quote: “Incremental Change: Technological change and improved weapons result primarily from the process of cumulative product improvement and evolutionary growth. The all-new system, with newly developed subsystems the rate of occurrence variously cycles between occasionally and rarely.”

The end result of your radical philosophy of simplicity or whatever is just entrenched and institutionalized laziness/apathy.


That would be incorrect, yes my design philosophy will come with a set of disadvantages, but it won’t be stagnant from entrenched and institutionalized laziness/apathy. I also see it evolving different paths over the course of the 20th and 21st century.

So is Brazil. Not exactly "superpower" material there.


I never claimed the Commonwealth was a Superpower let alone a Great Power, a more accurate description would be as a Regional or Middle tier power.
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Rich and Corporations
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Founded: Aug 09, 2004
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:14 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTT_Turbine_Superbike

So... what is everyone's opinion on turbine everything that isn't expected to idle long?
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Dostanuot Loj
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Founded: Nov 04, 2004
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:31 pm

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:
Gallia- wrote:If you do, you get evicted or sent to Wyoming to mine uranium I guess.


HEY!


Everyone knows Wyoming doesn't exist. I saw it on Garfield.
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Vyzhva
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Founded: Aug 31, 2017
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Postby Vyzhva » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:21 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:
HEY!


Everyone knows Wyoming doesn't exist. I saw it on Garfield.

wyoming is fake news.
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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:35 am

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Rate my latest abomination.
What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

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Vyzhva
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Postby Vyzhva » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:05 am

Kapodistrian Greece wrote:(Image)
Rate my latest abomination.

It has some intriguing looks I do have to admit. Tell me, did you design the chassis yourself or is it taken from another vehicle?
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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:19 am

Vyzhva wrote:
Kapodistrian Greece wrote:(Image)
Rate my latest abomination.

It has some intriguing looks I do have to admit. Tell me, did you design the chassis yourself or is it taken from another vehicle?

It's essentially a crime against humanity, Chally 1 blendered with a Merkava 2 chassis. Mostly for the shape, in-universe it's mostly unrelated save for using the challenger's gun.
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What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

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Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.

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The Akasha Colony
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Posts: 14157
Founded: Apr 25, 2010
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:38 am

Kapodistrian Greece wrote:
Vyzhva wrote:It has some intriguing looks I do have to admit. Tell me, did you design the chassis yourself or is it taken from another vehicle?

It's essentially a crime against humanity, Chally 1 blendered with a Merkava 2 chassis. Mostly for the shape, in-universe it's mostly unrelated save for using the challenger's gun.


The turret is too far forward if it's based on Merkava's hull, because Merkava's front engine requires the turret to be further back in order to accommodate the driver. But if you switch the drive sprocket with the idler, you could probably claim to have a conventional rear-engine chassis, although Merkava's design is suboptimal for such a configuration (because it's optimized for a front-engine arrangement).
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Kapodistrian Greece
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Founded: Jan 30, 2018
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:58 am

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Kapodistrian Greece wrote:It's essentially a crime against humanity, Chally 1 blendered with a Merkava 2 chassis. Mostly for the shape, in-universe it's mostly unrelated save for using the challenger's gun.


The turret is too far forward if it's based on Merkava's hull, because Merkava's front engine requires the turret to be further back in order to accommodate the driver. But if you switch the drive sprocket with the idler, you could probably claim to have a conventional rear-engine chassis, although Merkava's design is suboptimal for such a configuration (because it's optimized for a front-engine arrangement).

Well it's not meant to be a Merkava kitbash, though thanks for pointing out that I didn't switch the sprocket and idler. Course since I haven't actually written the fluff for it I could always move the turret back and make it an actual Merkava kitbash.
What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

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Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:02 pm

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How does it look now?
What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

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Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.


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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:11 pm

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What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

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Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.

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Austrasien
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Postby Austrasien » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:06 pm

That is hideous.
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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:28 pm

Mixed signals here. In any case I have a backup of the original but with fixed idler etc.
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What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

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Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.

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Korva
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Founded: Apr 22, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Korva » Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:44 am

Kapodistrian Greece wrote:Mixed signals here. In any case I have a backup of the original but with fixed idler etc.
(Image)

There are issues with your linework and details.
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The skirt is behind the road wheels and you are missing black lines on the hull.

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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:29 am

Korva wrote:
Kapodistrian Greece wrote:Mixed signals here. In any case I have a backup of the original but with fixed idler etc.
(Image)

There are issues with your linework and details.
Image
The skirt is behind the road wheels and you are missing black lines on the hull.

The devil is in the details, thanks for pointing it out. Doesn't help I did that late at night. I think I just up and decided to add skirts but forgot to actually add them to all the wheels.
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What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

This nation partially represents my views. Some things were added for fun as an example.
Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.

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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:50 am

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Hopefully I didn't miss anything this time.
What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

This nation partially represents my views. Some things were added for fun as an example.
Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.

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Corindia
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Founded: May 29, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Corindia » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:32 am

Kapodistrian Greece wrote:Mixed signals here. In any case I have a backup of the original but with fixed idler etc.
(Image)

I have a suggestion:
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Of the People, For the People

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Kapodistrian Greece
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Postby Kapodistrian Greece » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:41 am

Corindia wrote:
Kapodistrian Greece wrote:Mixed signals here. In any case I have a backup of the original but with fixed idler etc.
(Image)

I have a suggestion:
Image

That's too overpowered sorry.
What-if the Greco-Turkish war didn't end so badly?

This nation partially represents my views. Some things were added for fun as an example.
Blah blah don't use NS stats for GDP and population.
Sufferer of alt-itis, alts are Weimarer Reich, Zebes Space Pirates and Reorganized Soviet Union.

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Austrasien
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Postby Austrasien » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:07 am

Also, this isn't an art thread. If you just want art tips you should use CYOE.
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The Wyoming Peoples Front
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Founded: Nov 18, 2016
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Postby The Wyoming Peoples Front » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:32 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:
HEY!


Everyone knows Wyoming doesn't exist. I saw it on Garfield.


I have been to wyoming, they have rodeos and scrub brush and Han solo there...

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