Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Taihei Tengoku]

Not really. As said before the 25mm works fine in deleting machine gun nest and you always have your TOWs. I am weighing re-turreting an IFV in order to fit more dismounts, and it would actually go to a weaker armament in the process.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Not really. As said before the 25mm works fine in deleting machine gun nest and you always have your TOWs. I am weighing re-turreting an IFV in order to fit more dismounts, and it would actually go to a weaker armament in the process.

Well I intend to get rid of the TOWs in favor of Javelins. In addition, the XM813 can fire airburst rounds, which are determined to be good against targets in defilade, at least according to the US Army.

[The Akasha Colony]

Not really. As said before the 25mm works fine in deleting machine gun nest and you always have your TOWs. I am weighing re-turreting an IFV in order to fit more dismounts, and it would actually go to a weaker armament in the process.

Well I intend to get rid of the TOWs in favor of Javelins. In addition, the XM813 can fire airburst rounds, which are determined to be good against targets in defilade, at least according to the US Army.

40 mm CTA or go home.

Airbursting rounds are nice but the switch to 30 mm also means a reduction in the number of stowed rounds.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Well I intend to get rid of the TOWs in favor of Javelins. In addition, the XM813 can fire airburst rounds, which are determined to be good against targets in defilade, at least according to the US Army.

40 mm CTA or go home.

Airbursting rounds are nice but the switch to 30 mm also means a reduction in the number of stowed rounds.

True. Would the reduction in ammo be worth the additional lethality granted by airbursting rounds?

[Reorganized Soviet Union]

100mm gun-launcher+30mm autocannon or go home .

[The Manticoran Empire]

M6 Linebacker: Good or no good?

[The Akasha Colony]

True. Would the reduction in ammo be worth the additional lethality granted by airbursting rounds?

That depends on the types of targets most likely to be encountered. Airbursting ammunition is generally most effective against targets on the reverse slope, targets that would be unharmed by missed shots that would fly harmlessly into the distance and vulnerable only to dead-on shots.

Much of the desire for higher-caliber guns comes from the desire for better penetration of armored targets. Airbursting ammunition for these guns becomes something of a necessity to help offset the reduced number of shots by increasing per-shot lethality, but at the expense of increased cost.

[Gallia-]

M6 Linebacker: Good or no good?

Which one?

The ADATS Linebacker is fine even if the idea behind ADATS is a bit dopey and too Cocaine Age for me to take very seriously. The Stinger Linebacker is puny but he got better cos' radar.

[Laritaia]

The Stinger Linebacker is puny but he got better cos' radar.

unfortunately the supplements required to grow radar also caused "shrinkage" in other areas

[Gallia-]

The Stinger Linebacker is puny but he got better cos' radar.

unfortunately the supplements required to grow radar also caused "shrinkage" in other areas

Such is the power of steroids.

[Laritaia]

i wonder if linebacker 3.0 has gained more crew in the form of sensor operators in the troop compartment.

[Austrasien]

True. Would the reduction in ammo be worth the additional lethality granted by airbursting rounds?

It depends on the desired range really.

If you can land a direct hit on the target a smaller shell is desirable because the effects of even a 20mm HE shell impacting and detonating are greater than the effects of fragmentation from a 40mm airbursting shell and you can carry many more of the former. For a target like an ATGM or MG nest this is probably between 1 km (stable but otherwise unaided mount) and 3 km (state of the art fire control).

[The Manticoran Empire]

My main interest in Linebacker is to provide armored and mechanized forces with SHORAD on a platform more survivable than a Humvee.

As for the 30mm round, I'm looking for it to be a bit of a general purpose weapon. If it isn't worth the upgrade, I won't do it.

[Gallia-]

True. Would the reduction in ammo be worth the additional lethality granted by airbursting rounds?

It depends on the desired range really.

If you can land a direct hit on the target a smaller shell is desirable because the effects of even a 20mm HE shell impacting and detonating are greater than the effects of fragmentation from a 40mm airbursting shell and you can carry many more of the former. For a target like an ATGM or MG nest this is probably between 1 km (stable but otherwise unaided mount) and 3 km (state of the art fire control).

20mm king tier.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Is the M60-2000 upgrade relevant? By that I mean is it a functional platform for the modern era?

[Taihei Tengoku]

It turns on when you turn the ignition. That being said it only works in certain circumstances (if you are Turkey or Taiwan) and worse than getting a new tank.

[The Manticoran Empire]

It turns on when you turn the ignition. That being said it only works in certain circumstances (if you are Turkey or Taiwan) and worse than getting a new tank.

Figured as much.

[The Akasha Colony]

Is the M60-2000 upgrade relevant? By that I mean is it a functional platform for the modern era?

It's aimed at nations that have huge stockpiles of M60s and don't have the money to upgrade to a completely new tank. It's better than an unmodernized M60, but worse than a newer design like Abrams, Leopard 2, etc.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Is the M60-2000 upgrade relevant? By that I mean is it a functional platform for the modern era?

It's aimed at nations that have huge stockpiles of M60s and don't have the money to upgrade to a completely new tank. It's better than an unmodernized M60, but worse than a newer design like Abrams, Leopard 2, etc.

Well I'm trying to come up with a middle weight tank platform that is lighter than the Abrams but still effective. Something in the weight class of a T-90.

[Taihei Tengoku]

It's aimed at nations that have huge stockpiles of M60s and don't have the money to upgrade to a completely new tank. It's better than an unmodernized M60, but worse than a newer design like Abrams, Leopard 2, etc.

Well I'm trying to come up with a middle weight tank platform that is lighter than the Abrams but still effective. Something in the weight class of a T-90.

A T-90 is an effective tank in the weight class of the T-90. The design choices that leads to a vehicle in that weight class are the design choices that lead to that specific vehicle. Every flavor of Super M60 pushes 60 metric tons.

[The Akasha Colony]

It's aimed at nations that have huge stockpiles of M60s and don't have the money to upgrade to a completely new tank. It's better than an unmodernized M60, but worse than a newer design like Abrams, Leopard 2, etc.

Well I'm trying to come up with a middle weight tank platform that is lighter than the Abrams but still effective. Something in the weight class of a T-90.

M60 is basically the largest MBT ever fielded by internal volume. Of course it's going to be extremely heavy.

I'm not sure why you need a "middle weight tank platform" though.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Well I'm trying to come up with a middle weight tank platform that is lighter than the Abrams but still effective. Something in the weight class of a T-90.

M60 is basically the largest MBT ever fielded by internal volume. Of course it's going to be extremely heavy.

I'm not sure why you need a "middle weight tank platform" though.

The 70 ton Abrams can't cross most bridges. That severely limits mobility while they wait for an AVLB or, if the gap is too large for AVLB, a bridge company with CBTs and a bridge.

But, if the middle weight platform isn't worth it, fuck it.

[Taihei Tengoku]

M60 isn't much lighter.

[The Akasha Colony]

The 70 ton Abrams can't cross most bridges. That severely limits mobility while they wait for an AVLB or, if the gap is too large for AVLB, a bridge company with CBTs and a bridge.

It can cross enough of them. Weight issues clearly haven't stopped nearly all of Western Europe and most of its allies from adopting very heavy tanks. M60 is only marginally lighter than Abrams, except it has much worse performance.

But, if the middle weight platform isn't worth it, fuck it.

It isn't.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

M60 is basically the largest MBT ever fielded by internal volume. Of course it's going to be extremely heavy.

I'm not sure why you need a "middle weight tank platform" though.

The 70 ton Abrams can't cross most bridges. That severely limits mobility while they wait for an AVLB or, if the gap is too large for AVLB, a bridge company with CBTs and a bridge.

But, if the middle weight platform isn't worth it, fuck it.

M60A3 uparmoured to the equivalent of an Abrams A2 in just a very few restricted angles will be as heavy, if not heavier than the M1A2 solely because how bloody ginormous the Pershing/Patton hull + turret is.