Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Allanea]

It's President Donald Trump.

OK?

I don't understand the relevance.

I was making a joke about how disappointed I am that Hana Type 99 is not real.

[Dostanuot Loj]

OK?

I don't understand the relevance.

I was making a joke about how disappointed I am that Hana Type 99 is not real.

Oh.
Sorry buddy. There are other terribad things Japan did though, we can all laugh at those.

[Purpelia]

I was making a joke about how disappointed I am that Hana Type 99 is not real.

Oh.
Sorry buddy. There are other terribad things Japan did though, we can all laugh at those.

What's your favorite? Mine is the anti tank spear.

[Vyzhva]

Didn't the Japs develop some sort of spear for use against landing craft?

[Purpelia]

Didn't the Japs develop some sort of spear for use against landing craft?

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:


Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

[Tekeristan]

Didn't the Japs develop some sort of spear for use against landing craft?

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:


Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

That looks dangerous.

[Purpelia]

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:

(Image)
Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

That looks dangerous.

Theoretically yes but not really. Fundamentally, even from a perfect ambush position it is just going to be really difficult to get that close to an actual tank. Especially if it's operating sensibly and therefore with an infantry escort. Maybe I could see it being dangerous if you were fighting in some super extreme scenario where the tanks are restricted in their movement and you have plenty of cover like the ruins of Berlin or Stalingrad or within a deep jungle. But even than I would not bet on it.

[Allanea]

There was a similar contraption for use by divers, and various other suicide devices.

[Vyzhva]

Didn't the Japs develop some sort of spear for use against landing craft?

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:


Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

That's some VC shit right there.

[Fordorsia]

Didn't the Japs develop some sort of spear for use against landing craft?

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:


Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

[Vyzhva]

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:

(Image)
Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

If I recall correctly, the Japanese would've been able to bring up 5-7 million "soldiers", but because of lack of ammunition and equipment, these millions would have been equipped with whatever existed and could be used as a weapon in some way, oh and a majority of them would've been peasants.

[Fordorsia]

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

If I recall correctly, the Japanese would've been able to bring up 5-7 million "soldiers", but because of lack of ammunition and equipment, these millions would have been equipped with whatever existed and could be used as a weapon in some way, oh and a majority of them would've been peasants.

I feel like after a large number of banzai charges with spears, swords, grenades and AT mines, the Allies simply would have obliterated any village or town they come across with planes and artillery, just because the risk of an ambush is too great. That's probably the only way they could minimize their own casualties from weapons like that, because as the British found in India throughout the 19th century and well into the 20th, you can have your guns, but they won't do much good when a large group of people charge from close range and are among you. You will take casualties.

[Vyzhva]

If I recall correctly, the Japanese would've been able to bring up 5-7 million "soldiers", but because of lack of ammunition and equipment, these millions would have been equipped with whatever existed and could be used as a weapon in some way, oh and a majority of them would've been peasants.

I feel like after a large number of banzai charges with spears, swords, grenades and AT mines, the Allies simply would have obliterated any village or town they come across with planes and artillery, just because the risk of an ambush is too great. That's probably the only way they could minimize their own casualties from weapons like that, because as the British found in India throughout the 19th century and well into the 20th, you can have your guns, but they won't do much good when a large group of people charge from close range and are among you. You will take casualties.

Indeed. The casualties of an affair such as Operation Downfall would be far too immense for the Allies not to fall back on cleansing of villages, possibly cities, Vietnam-style.

[Fordorsia]

With it being a 75mm howitzer and a 37mm gun, I guess in the mid 30s, which gun should I try have more ammo for? At least ammo in the turret, because getting to ammo in the hull would be difficult considering the lack of room.

[North Arkana]

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:


Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

Ah. You wish. But no.

[Taihei Tengoku]

They would probably have figured out suicide vests pretty quickly (because the Chinese did it to them).

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Metal rods of various sizes sticking out of the ground are a decent counter to landing craft and were used by everyone. What I am talking about is this gem:


Source: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

It's often said, though I rather think Japanese losses would have been horrific. Poorly trained, poorly equipped forces actually aren't very effective against real armies. Look at what happened to the Italians in North Africa at the start of WWII - and by comparison that was a very small difference in materiel and competence. This sort of things works well if preserving civilian (or "civilian") lives is valuable to the invaders, but at that point the Americans would have just started burning everything down from a distance.

[Fordorsia]

You wish

What?

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

It's often said, though I rather think Japanese losses would have been horrific. Poorly trained, poorly equipped forces actually aren't very effective against real armies. Look at what happened to the Italians in North Africa at the start of WWII - and by comparison that was a very small difference in materiel and competence. This sort of things works well if preserving civilian (or "civilian") lives is valuable to the invaders, but at that point the Americans would have just started burning everything down from a distance.

Both sides would have taken an incredible amount of casualties. Obviously the Japanese would have lost a massive percentage of their population, but training and experience can only provide you with so much against a very well dug in enemy that has fortified the entire country, especially the place you plan to land at, and mobilized most of the population, including every plane available as kamikaze planes, to fight against you. The US army actually theorized what would happen in the invasion, and how many casualties they expected to take. The US army itself was expecting at least 60,000 casualties in the first month, just in the southern portion of Kyushu, and it would grow exponentially as time went on.

It's almost as if they nuked Japan because 130,000-230,000 dead to two bombs is preferable to the potential millions dead from an invasion.

[Taihei Tengoku]

one thing that always got me was why didn't they just consider waiting

the Russians couldn't take Hokkaido in a million years and the army in Kyushu would disintegrate once the famine hit in winter

[Fordorsia]

one thing that always got me was why didn't they just consider waiting

the Russians couldn't take Hokkaido in a million years and the army in Kyushu would disintegrate once the famine hit in winter

Wait from what date? It's not like they could just blockade the entire island for a few months and just sit around.

[Taihei Tengoku]

one thing that always got me was why didn't they just consider waiting

the Russians couldn't take Hokkaido in a million years and the army in Kyushu would disintegrate once the famine hit in winter

Wait from what date? It's not like they could just blockade the entire island for a few months and just sit around.

"blockade the entire island" is exactly what happened

[Fordorsia]

> 15 planes to 670 ships

GG Japan

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

This kind of thing is what was waiting for the Allied invasion in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands. People talk a lot about the actual conventional defences of mainland Japan when talking about the planned invasion, but rarely do I see this thing brought up. The Allied casualties, especially tank losses, would have been horrific,

It's often said, though I rather think Japanese losses would have been horrific. Poorly trained, poorly equipped forces actually aren't very effective against real armies. Look at what happened to the Italians in North Africa at the start of WWII - and by comparison that was a very small difference in materiel and competence. This sort of things works well if preserving civilian (or "civilian") lives is valuable to the invaders, but at that point the Americans would have just started burning everything down from a distance.

Both sides would have taken an incredible amount of casualties. Obviously the Japanese would have lost a massive percentage of their population, but training and experience can only provide you with so much against a very well dug in enemy that has fortified the entire country, especially the place you plan to land at, and mobilized most of the population, including every plane available as kamikaze planes, to fight against you. The US army actually theorized what would happen in the invasion, and how many casualties they expected to take. The US army itself was expecting at least 60,000 casualties in the first month, just in the southern portion of Kyushu, and it would grow exponentially as time went on.

It's almost as if they nuked Japan because 130,000-230,000 dead to two bombs is preferable to the potential millions dead from an invasion.[/quote]
It would've ended in just straight genocide of the Japanese after command and control failed and it became impossible to call off the drones, who would have been about as effective as the proverbial natives wielding wet fruit against the Maxim guns. Because that would be basically what they were. Why was the US going to drive tanks into shrubs people can hide in when it can just napalm Japanese cities street by street? The biggest threat to the US war effort at this point would be the Congress voting to end the slaughter unilaterally in sheer horror of what they themselves were doing. Which is one advantage the atom bomb had: didn't take photojournalists with it.

[Laritaia]

It's almost as if they nuked Japan because 130,000-230,000 dead to two bombs is preferable to the potential millions dead from an invasion.

The plan for the invasion of Japan included dropping nukes

[Vyzhva]

It's almost as if they nuked Japan because 130,000-230,000 dead to two bombs is preferable to the potential millions dead from an invasion.

The plan for the invasion of Japan included dropping nukes

iirc nukes weren’t around when Operation Downafall was planned.