Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[New Vihenia]

a pitiful sight

[Gallia-]

i told you about hull ammunition racks

i warned you bro

[Theodosiya]

IC : Hope our 2A7 uparmor works.
RL : Dump all Leos! Get Abrams, Merkava or Lecrec.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I think you misunderstood, I wasn't talking about using gass with stick welding. I was talking about the rod and wire seperately. I see now that i was unclear.

I'm not a welder, I'm a machinist/fabricator and our unions keep the machining and cutting/welding very seperate.

That aside, you mentioned carbon [steel] plate, is that what the HMMWV body is made of? Do you know what gauge? I don't need a lesson in welding,/metallurgy, but thank you for the insight. I just want to know what it is made of so I can ask some people at work how they would go about repairing battle damage and adding armor to a HMMWV.

The original up-armored HMMWVs were pretty much double quarter or single half-inch thick scrap-metal bits (likely some sort of medium-carbon steel with a bit of luck), and maybe a few busted-up SAPI plates wedged into them.

Modern kits are bolted-on.

It depends on th kit, but if it's something fielded before 2005 you just tried your luck with a some 6011 and hoped it lasted at least as long as your tour.

[Imperializt Russia]

a pitiful sight

(Image)

Jesus Christ.

Turkish Leos? 1 or 2?

[Autonomous Eastern Ukraine]

a pitiful sight

(Image)

War thunder tells me that's a 40 second repair.

[Connori Pilgrims]

a pitiful sight

(Image)

Jesus Christ.

Turkish Leos? 1 or 2?

By the looks of that turret at the foreground and the structure of the engine deck and aft, those are Leo 2(A4?)s

Good job Sultan Erdogan. Betcha this is cuz of his purges anti-dissident drives destroying the Turk officer corps, leaving the Turkish Army with sycophants who are as competent as the average Arab army (as in utter shit).

[Autonomous Eastern Ukraine]

Have some pictures of ISIS tonks.

Seem to be more captured Turkish Leo 2A4s like the other pic.

[Laritaia]

The Turkish Leo2s only have first generation armour inserts, so a combination of poor tactics and facing modern(90s) anti-tank weapons makes the result all but certain.

[Opplandia]

a pitiful sight

(Image)

Jesus Christ.

Turkish Leos? 1 or 2?

Thats what you get for using your toys wrong.

[Korva]

Those Leopard 2s were disabled, abandoned, and then bombed by Turkey. In the full ISIS vid there are no human remains and iirc the majority of Turkish casualties in Al-Bab have been Sabra/AIFV crews.

[Austrasien]

Information on the layout of early M1 armour has been found.

It was pretty much what we would have expected, lots of NERA.

[Allanea]

[Gallia-]

what rocket?

indigenous?

[Allanea]

Apparently.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

I think you misunderstood, I wasn't talking about using gass with stick welding. I was talking about the rod and wire seperately. I see now that i was unclear.

I'm not a welder, I'm a machinist/fabricator and our unions keep the machining and cutting/welding very seperate.

That aside, you mentioned carbon [steel] plate, is that what the HMMWV body is made of? Do you know what gauge? I don't need a lesson in welding,/metallurgy, but thank you for the insight. I just want to know what it is made of so I can ask some people at work how they would go about repairing battle damage and adding armor to a HMMWV.

The original up-armored HMMWVs were pretty much double quarter or single half-inch thick scrap-metal bits (likely some sort of medium-carbon steel with a bit of luck), and maybe a few busted-up SAPI plates wedged into them.

Modern kits are bolted-on.

It depends on th kit, but if it's something fielded before 2005 you just tried your luck with a some 6011 and hoped it lasted at least as long as your tour.

How protective were original HMMWV add-on armor kits? Random scrap metal probably wouldn't cut it against man-sized bullets, maybe shrapnel.

[Fordorsia]

Just give them humvees double thickness AR500

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Just give them humvees double thickness AR500

Which is an ungodly high-carbon steel that (probably) needs heat-treatment post-weld to remain any good.

Plus pre-heat, and a very steady supply of stainless-steel electrodes.
-Even more fun if someone insists you keep the plates attached to the vehicle during welding. Since we're talking about keeping these plates at and above 500 degrees for up to 4 hours.

People welding those sorts of steel under those conditions certainly seem to be earning their pay-grade.

-A quarter inch of solid plate (even mild steel) will probably provide pletny of resistance to a 30-cal at range if even somewhat angled. It's when things get close and your armor is starting to look pretty slab-sided that the second quarter-inch or a solid half inch start being super-useful up until somebody pulls-up with a Dushka.
-Or an RPG, RKG, or even a standard frag-nade if you've got the open-box type armor/turrets that just magicly funnel grenades right into the cabin.

Still, if done properly, AR500 plate would provide a reasonably good protection to wieght ratio. Spaced armor is your friend. It fights for FREEDOM.
-Its an old tech technique

[Tule]

Information on the layout of early M1 armour has been found.

It was pretty much what we would have expected, lots of NERA.

Epic trolling.

"Oh, Chobham? It's this high-tech tank armor we have. Made of high-tech ceramic plates encased in an aluminium honeycomb matrix and sandwiched between steel plates. We can't be too specific though it's highly advanced technology that we can't allow to fall into enemy hands"

Greatest red herring ever.

[Gallia-]

Good thing no one who ever mattered said that, then.

[Laritaia]

people heard "high tech classified armor array" and started trawling around for the highest tech experimental armour concepts they could find and just assumed that that must be what Chobham was.

[Gallia-]

Unfortunately ceramic armour is the lowest tech experimental armour concepts.

Perhaps that's how they found out what it was.

[Purpelia]

I thought they used DU in the armor.

[The Soodean Imperium]

I thought they used DU in the armor.

AFAIK that was added during M1A1 production; the diagrams refer to the early M1.

[Gallia-]

M1A1(HA) was the first.