Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Gallia-]

Vast majority of AT guns in the late 30s won't penetrate any part of the tank (minimum 60mm thick except the roof and floor) beyond 100m, and won't penetrate the front plate, front of the turrets, or the sides of the barbette (75mm thick) at any range.

And? The Matildas were invulnerable to almost everything except 88s and 105mm field guns, yet their combat service was decidedly less than stellar.

BG R. Simpkin would heavily disagree with this statement. He drove them against the Nazis in North Africa and feared only limpet mines.

The great terror of North Africa British tankers wasn't the 88mm, it was the lowly Bosche with a limpet mine waiting in an unseen foxhole.

More imagined than anything, but British tankers weren't scared of Tigers or AAA batteries. They happily charged them over open ground in a repeat of the Light Brigade a hundred years on.

[Laritaia]

you don't destroy AT guns by running away when they manage to blow up one of your tanks.

[Gallia-]

You also don't destroy them by being killed by them before you can shoot at them. :^)

[Laritaia]

You also don't destroy them by being killed by them before you can shoot at them. :^)

but muh smoke shells

[Gallia-]

Outgunned far out by the howitzers of the near future. ;~;

[Laritaia]

well if the smoke doesn't work they also have smoke with a small HE filler

[Fordorsia]

Vast majority of AT guns in the late 30s won't penetrate any part of the tank (minimum 60mm thick except the roof and floor) beyond 100m, and won't penetrate the front plate, front of the turrets, or the sides of the barbette (75mm thick) at any range.

And? The Matildas were invulnerable to almost everything except 88s and 105mm field guns, yet their combat service was decidedly less than stellar.

And nothing? I corrected him. I didn't say anything about its performance.

[Allanea]

BMP-3 UGV ? Yes!

[Questers]

Britain had a big problem with anti-tank guns because most of its tanks before 1942 did not have HE shells. Vehicles like the crusader with the 2pdr or 6pdr gun were perfectly adequate for killing German armour - in fact they were good at it - but they had nothing with which to fight anti tank emplacements. They developed some tactics, but one of them did include charging them with tanks so that they would open up and artillery could silence them. There was a period of the desert war (1940-early 1942) where the Royal Armoured Corps doctrine was pretty much "just charge at them like a 19th century cavalry charge." Vast casualties were incurred.

The Matilda's problem was that it just kept breaking down in the desert. They were fine in France but only very very few were brought there.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

And? The Matildas were invulnerable to almost everything except 88s and 105mm field guns, yet their combat service was decidedly less than stellar.

And nothing? I corrected him. I didn't say anything about its performance.

I meant armor alone doesn't make the tank.

And? The Matildas were invulnerable to almost everything except 88s and 105mm field guns, yet their combat service was decidedly less than stellar.

BG R. Simpkin would heavily disagree with this statement. He drove them against the Nazis in North Africa and feared only limpet mines.

The great terror of North Africa British tankers wasn't the 88mm, it was the lowly Bosche with a limpet mine waiting in an unseen foxhole.

More imagined than anything, but British tankers weren't scared of Tigers or AAA batteries. They happily charged them over open ground in a repeat of the Light Brigade a hundred years on.

Really? I didn't think magnetic mines were widely used outside of the eastern front.

[Fordorsia]

And nothing? I corrected him. I didn't say anything about its performance.

I meant armor alone doesn't make the tank.

Didn't say it did. But being impervious to almost all anti tank fire isn't exactly a disadvantage.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

I meant armor alone doesn't make the tank.

Didn't say it did. But being impervious to almost all anti tank fire isn't exactly a disadvantage.

It is when you end up with a bunker and not a tank. How are you going to put that on a train or ship? It's going to need specialized equipment for everything. The Panzer III did not have especially great armor for its day but was still considered the best tank in the world for the first year or two of the war.

[Questers]

It's not possible to make an invincible weapon, so after you go above basic protection requirements, you're spending on armour with very diminishing returns. World War Two proves this: ceteris paribus, there's no point making a behemoth tank when the crew will bail out if a Typhoon fires a few rockets at them, or if the vehicle breaks down in the battle area etc etc.

It can make sense if you're strapped in other areas; you have fuel constraints and you're running out of manpower, but have plentiful steel, you may as well build a behemoth. But otherwise, no, it's more complex than "it always helps."

[Dostanuot Loj]

The Matilda's problem was that it just kept breaking down in the desert.

Literally every British tank in the desert.

[Fordorsia]

Plonk yourself at a strategic location and wait for entire enemy army > All

[Austrasien]

Pretty much everyone in WWII struggled with manufacturing very thick armour steel whether it was cast or rolled and welded. The thicker the armour the more difficult it becomes to achieve the right properties.

Late war designs for tanks with extraordinarily thick plates would probably have suffered from poor quality armour when they entered service.

[Fordorsia]

Pretty much everyone in WWII struggled with manufacturing very thick armour steel whether it was cast or rolled and welded. The thicker the armour the more difficult it becomes to achieve the right properties.

Late war designs for tanks with extraordinarily thick plates would probably have suffered from poor quality armour when they entered service.

75mm isn't very thick

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Pretty much everyone in WWII struggled with manufacturing very thick armour steel whether it was cast or rolled and welded. The thicker the armour the more difficult it becomes to achieve the right properties.

Late war designs for tanks with extraordinarily thick plates would probably have suffered from poor quality armour when they entered service.

This would obviously be true for tanks like the Maus, but even for tanks that came from nations with excellent quality control and the like? E.g. would the T-29 have had consistency problems with the gun mantlet?

[New Antonalia]

OK, does anyone have any Cold War era Soviet Camouflage patterns? I'm looking at starting to work on camouflage but I'm having a little trouble finding the colors so I can find the RGB pattern. Anything you have is much appreciated.

Edit: 1970s or later is preferable. Thanks

[Theodosiya]

OK, does anyone have any Cold War era Soviet Camouflage patterns? I'm looking at starting to work on camouflage but I'm having a little trouble finding the colors so I can find the RGB pattern. Anything you have is much appreciated.

Edit: 1970s or later is preferable. Thanks

There's camopedia
http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

BUt this question are better asked here

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=385750&start=7175

[Gallia-]

BMP-3 UGV ? Yes!

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I'm assuming it has a crew capsule for manual override?

BG R. Simpkin would heavily disagree with this statement. He drove them against the Nazis in North Africa and feared only limpet mines.

The great terror of North Africa British tankers wasn't the 88mm, it was the lowly Bosche with a limpet mine waiting in an unseen foxhole.

More imagined than anything, but British tankers weren't scared of Tigers or AAA batteries. They happily charged them over open ground in a repeat of the Light Brigade a hundred years on.

Really? I didn't think magnetic mines were widely used outside of the eastern front.

I never said they were used. I never said they even existed at the time, although the British had magnetic hollow charge mines (i.e. "Clam"). BG Simpkin just mentions it in one of his books.

[Novorden]

Got bored, made an interwar tank.

Interior and 3 point view maybe coming soon.

Also hello again after not having posted for however many months.

[Laritaia]

it needs some sort of tumor cupola for the TC that's far bigger then it needs to be.

[Chinevion]

Got bored, made an interwar tank.
(Image)
Interior and 3 point view maybe coming soon.

Also hello again after not having posted for however many months.

looks good, whats the gun?

[Fordorsia]

Got bored, made an interwar tank.
(Image)
Interior and 3 point view maybe coming soon.

Also hello again after not having posted for however many months.

looks good, whats the gun?

Too small