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by Allanea » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:34 am
by The Soodean Imperium » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:44 am
Purpelia wrote:Basically this line of question stems from me wanting to find a realistic practical use for that mini MLRS I designed ages ago. I don't know if you guys remember. But it was basically a small box launcher with 8 x 22cm missile tubes that could fire either unguided HE or various guided rounds. And right now I am thinking of using it on the battalion level as a flexible fire support unit that could provide AT over watch or be configured to give the battalion one burst of fuckoff HE when they need it. Well, that's what I intended with it originally as well, but you get the picture.
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:38 pm
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Purpelia wrote:Basically this line of question stems from me wanting to find a realistic practical use for that mini MLRS I designed ages ago. I don't know if you guys remember. But it was basically a small box launcher with 8 x 22cm missile tubes that could fire either unguided HE or various guided rounds. And right now I am thinking of using it on the battalion level as a flexible fire support unit that could provide AT over watch or be configured to give the battalion one burst of fuckoff HE when they need it. Well, that's what I intended with it originally as well, but you get the picture.
Somehow I don't really see "220mm multiple rocket launcher" and "flexible battalion-level fire support" going in the same sentence.
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by Purpelia » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:02 pm
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Purpelia wrote:Basically this line of question stems from me wanting to find a realistic practical use for that mini MLRS I designed ages ago. I don't know if you guys remember. But it was basically a small box launcher with 8 x 22cm missile tubes that could fire either unguided HE or various guided rounds. And right now I am thinking of using it on the battalion level as a flexible fire support unit that could provide AT over watch or be configured to give the battalion one burst of fuckoff HE when they need it. Well, that's what I intended with it originally as well, but you get the picture.
Somehow I don't really see "220mm multiple rocket launcher" and "flexible battalion-level fire support" going in the same sentence.
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:41 pm
Purpelia wrote:The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Somehow I don't really see "220mm multiple rocket launcher" and "flexible battalion-level fire support" going in the same sentence.
Think of it this way.
- It's a MLRS that can fire both guided missiles and smart munitions but also a wide variety of dumb rounds.
- It's small and therefore easy to conceal and mount on just about anything.
- It's ammunition is reasonably small (22cm x 150cm) and only weighs at between 63kg and 70kg per shell. Now that might sound like a lot but to my understanding that is about as much as a complete shell + propellant combo for a 155mm howitzer (Shell = 43kg1, propellant = 9.5 kg per bag2, up to 5 bags). And this means that it will be much, much, much23 quicker and easier to rapidly reload than a conventional MLRS.
So yes, it is going to be very flexible in both what it can do and how quickly it can do it as well as how easily it can be brought to where it needs to do the doing and back out again.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M107_projectile
2. https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/fi ... 530596.pdf
by The Soodean Imperium » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:47 pm
by Purpelia » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:26 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:The problem again is that it feels like you're trying to invent a use to justify a need, rather than the other way around.
It doesn't really do anything that other battalion fire support options don't already do and it isn't actually all that flexible because rockets by their nature are less flexible and less accurate than, say, a battery of mortars or whatever. This flexibility is more useful for a battalion than some "fuckoff HE" capability. All you've done is reinvent the Nebelwerfer but just as that weapon didn't take the battalion by storm, it seems this one is unlikely to as well.
And 63-70 kg is actually fairly substantial for a battalion weapon. Its immediate alternative, the trusty 120 mm mortar, has an all-up weight of only 14-15 kg including propellant charges and the mortar itself weighs less than a fifth what your rocket launcher weighs. The 155 mm pieces you are comparing it to are normally brigade or higher weapons and require either fairly substantial crews or large expensive autoloaded SPGs.
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:41 pm
Purpelia wrote:Anyway, how much of the concept is salvageable? Should I just turn it into a guided missile delivery system that has like an AT option and maybe a generic catch all PGM as an extra instead? That would bring it to being similar to the various VLS proposals people have been floating around here in years past. Alternatively I could just keep it as it is but only use it for niche roles where a light MLRS would make sense like say on board a river navy ship.
I was under the impression that you could load 155mm manually just fine. Well decently fast by rocket artillery standards anyway. Newer mind either way though.
by Fordorsia » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:00 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
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by Gallan Systems » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:07 pm
Allanea wrote:There's no reason I knowq of it couldn't fit it. I mean, there might be some obscure reasons you might need to redesign the turret but basically everything can carry an ATGM launcher.
People have mounted ATGM launchers on Key trucks and Toyota Corolas after all.
by Questers » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:09 pm
Galla.net.Gallan Systems wrote:Galla literally uses Kei vans to transport RBS 56 teams in its Hemvarnet battalions.
by Fordorsia » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:06 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
by Gallan Systems » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:09 pm
by Fordorsia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:23 am
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:11 am
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
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by Taihei Tengoku » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:14 am
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:15 am
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Would it be possible to gun a Type 61 with something like D-10 or the L7? The ammunition isn't much bigger (esp. for L7), but I'm wondering if the Type 61 has a turret ring wide enough to take the gun.Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Kinda like how they solved the reloading issue by simply installing a step-stool rather than redesigning it to be a tilting breech-loader.
Stepstools are common for heavy mortars. I think they use one for EFSS as well.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Fordorsia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:33 am
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
by Husseinarti » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:10 pm
by Fordorsia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:11 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
by Purpelia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:14 pm
Fordorsia wrote:Time for seppuku
by Fordorsia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:29 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
by Purpelia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:30 pm
by Fordorsia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:45 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.
Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad
Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.
Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.
Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.
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