Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Republic of Libanon]

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[Hrstrovokia]

You're skipping some levels. Namely the corps level.

Buk could be used as either a corps or divisional asset, as Tor also slots in at a similar level. If Tor is available then Buk would probably be at the corps level and Tor and the divisional level.

Osa, Tunguska, and nowadays Pantsir-S1 would be used at the regimental level, along with MANPADS.

Depending on the version, S-300 would be above these. S-300 was a big and reconfigurable system and came in several variants, including the S-300V tracked configuration which was intended to be operated by the Soviet Ground Forces (Army) and the S-300P wheeled version for use by the Soviet Air Defense Forces. S-300V would be attached to your higher level ground forces commands (corps or army) while S-300P would be operated as a theater-level asset stationed as needed.

Thanks man, sorry to the previous poster for not asking the question properly.

Would the following every be likely, that an S-300 might be grouped with something like the Pantsyr-S1 in a brigade or regiment? The Pantsyr-S1 providing close-in defence. And thus the two systems cover a great performance envelope than just one on its own?

[The Akasha Colony]

Thanks man, sorry to the previous poster for not asking the question properly.

Would the following every be likely, that an S-300 might be grouped with something like the Pantsyr-S1 in a brigade or regiment? The Pantsyr-S1 providing close-in defence. And thus the two systems cover a great performance envelope than just one on its own?

Only for self-defense of the S-300 battery itself, although it should be noted that S-300 has a whole range of missiles, including shorter-ranged ones.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Also that's an IRBM launcher on a tank chassis.

Looks like a FROG-M in a tube, and called a guided missile.

Which is actually pretty likely, since the Norkies acquired 24 PT-76 derrived TELs for the 2k6/2k52 rocket.

So assuming they haz nukes, they've finally upgraded to Honest Johns.

Now if only they'd stop prematurely exploding

[Gallia-]

You're skipping some levels. Namely the corps level.

Buk could be used as either a corps or divisional asset, as Tor also slots in at a similar level. If Tor is available then Buk would probably be at the corps level and Tor and the divisional level.

Osa, Tunguska, and nowadays Pantsir-S1 would be used at the regimental level, along with MANPADS.

Depending on the version, S-300 would be above these. S-300 was a big and reconfigurable system and came in several variants, including the S-300V tracked configuration which was intended to be operated by the Soviet Ground Forces (Army) and the S-300P wheeled version for use by the Soviet Air Defense Forces. S-300V would be attached to your higher level ground forces commands (corps or army) while S-300P would be operated as a theater-level asset stationed as needed.

Thanks man, sorry to the previous poster for not asking the question properly.

Would the following every be likely, that an S-300 might be grouped with something like the Pantsyr-S1 in a brigade or regiment? The Pantsyr-S1 providing close-in defence. And thus the two systems cover a great performance envelope than just one on its own?

Tor, Vityaz, or Morpheus seem more likely options for wide area SAM defense.

Pantsyr S1 is a replacement for Tunguska IIRC?

[Fordorsia]

No comments on my finished super effective super serious war winning superweapon :<

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[Hrstrovokia]

Tor, Vityaz, or Morpheus seem more likely options for wide area SAM defense.

Pantsyr S1 is a replacement for Tunguska IIRC?

I think Pantsyr-S1 is point defence and not as mobile as the Tunguska but probably newer systems? so more capable.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Pantsir, like Tunguska, is all in the turret. The hull is a GM chassis.

[Kravanica]

Is it truly better?

[Autonomous Eastern Ukraine]

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It's a fatter O-I, not much for me to say that I haven't said already.

[Dostanuot Loj]

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No room for an engine or transmission.

Ergo I passed it up as pointless to comment.

[Fordorsia]

No comments on my finished super effective super serious war winning superweapon :<

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It's a fatter O-I, not much for me to say that I haven't said already.

ur a fatter O-I

At least mine's not as long or tall

No comments on my finished super effective super serious war winning superweapon :<

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No room for an engine or transmission.

Ergo I passed it up as pointless to comment.

Not sure why you'd say that. There's plenty of room for both. The transmission goes without saying just by looking at it, and like half the engine would be underneath the turret and barbette, and is pulled out the back for major maintenance. I don't think space is a problem for either.

[Dostanuot Loj]

It's a fatter O-I, not much for me to say that I haven't said already.

ur a fatter O-I

At least mine's not as long or tall

No room for an engine or transmission.

Ergo I passed it up as pointless to comment.

Not sure why you'd say that. There's plenty of room for both. The transmission goes without saying just by looking at it, and like half the engine would be underneath the turret and barbette, and is pulled out the back for major maintenance. I don't think space is a problem for either.

You need to block out the internals then, because unless those MG turrets are large enough for a man to sit in without going below the turret ring, you have no room for an engine, transmission, associated cooling, fuel, and other important systems.

There is a reason other multi-turret vehicles are as large (and often long) as they are.

[Fordorsia]

ur a fatter O-I

At least mine's not as long or tall



Not sure why you'd say that. There's plenty of room for both. The transmission goes without saying just by looking at it, and like half the engine would be underneath the turret and barbette, and is pulled out the back for major maintenance. I don't think space is a problem for either.

You need to block out the internals then, because unless those MG turrets are large enough for a man to sit in without going below the turret ring, you have no room for an engine, transmission, associated cooling, fuel, and other important systems.

There is a reason other multi-turret vehicles are as large (and often long) as they are.

Transmission is at the front, to clarify.

They go below the turret ring, but those rear turrets only take up like a quarter of the space in the sponsons. And to clarify further, the entire hull underneath the barbette (perhaps besides a small space for shell stowage) is open for use for all the important engine bits, as well as the sponsons. I don't know enough about those things to tell you where everything goes besides the fuel being in the sponsons and the engine just being "in the back", but the space is there for them.

[Purpelia]

Do us a favor and take a picture of it from directly above. As in top down. Than draw on the engine and transmission and other bits in paint roughly where you think they go.

[Fordorsia]

Do us a favor and take a picture of it from directly above. As in top down. Than draw on the engine and transmission and other bits in paint roughly where you think they go.

I'm not that clueless

Engine centre rear, radiator on top of the engine, fuel in sponsons, transmission front. And if it's helpful, the space for the engine excluding the two side extension bits is 2.9m x 1.2m x 1.9m. Could easily be longer if needed.

[The Akasha Colony]

Tor, Vityaz, or Morpheus seem more likely options for wide area SAM defense.

Pantsyr S1 is a replacement for Tunguska IIRC?

I think Pantsyr-S1 is point defence and not as mobile as the Tunguska but probably newer systems? so more capable.

Pantsir-S1 is a modular turret and can be mounted on either a tracked or wheeled chassis. A wheeled chassis is cheaper for showing off though at arms expos and wheeled vehicles are all the rage (muh medium-weight forces!) so it's more common. But tracked variants exist.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Do us a favor and take a picture of it from directly above. As in top down. Than draw on the engine and transmission and other bits in paint roughly where you think they go.

I'm not that clueless

Engine centre rear, radiator on top of the engine, fuel in sponsons, transmission front. And if it's helpful, the space for the engine excluding the two side extension bits is 2.9m x 1.2m x 1.9m. Could easily be longer if needed.

Your driver and two front turret gunners need to sit atop, very cramped, a hot, moving transmission?
You don't really have space for an engine under the barbette. Especially with the weight you're looking at.

I keep saying, there is a reason real designs of tanks like this are not so cramped and squished with tonnes of guns pointing out of it.

[Fordorsia]

I'm not that clueless

Engine centre rear, radiator on top of the engine, fuel in sponsons, transmission front. And if it's helpful, the space for the engine excluding the two side extension bits is 2.9m x 1.2m x 1.9m. Could easily be longer if needed.

Your driver and two front turret gunners need to sit atop, very cramped, a hot, moving transmission?
You don't really have space for an engine under the barbette. Especially with the weight you're looking at.

I keep saying, there is a reason real designs of tanks like this are not so cramped and squished with tonnes of guns pointing out of it.

Why would they be on top of it? It's in front of them.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Your driver and two front turret gunners need to sit atop, very cramped, a hot, moving transmission?
You don't really have space for an engine under the barbette. Especially with the weight you're looking at.

I keep saying, there is a reason real designs of tanks like this are not so cramped and squished with tonnes of guns pointing out of it.

Why would they be on top of it? It's in front of them.

If you cared to look at a real transmission in for example an M3 Lee/Grant you'd know that the it goes to the engine through the crew compartment and that the driver basically sits astride it.

[Fordorsia]

Why would they be on top of it? It's in front of them.

If you cared to look at a real transmission in for example an M3 Lee/Grant you'd know that the it goes to the engine through the crew compartment and that the driver basically sits astride it.

Yes I know it goes further back. But why couldn't it be offset?

[Dostanuot Loj]

If you cared to look at a real transmission in for example an M3 Lee/Grant you'd know that the it goes to the engine through the crew compartment and that the driver basically sits astride it.

Yes I know it goes further back. But why couldn't it be offset?

Because transmissions made to take that level of torque are huge. This is part of the reason front drive tanks are not really a thing anymore. And you have a line of three abreast people right where the transmission needs to be.

[Fordorsia]

Yes I know it goes further back. But why couldn't it be offset?

Because transmissions made to take that level of torque are huge. This is part of the reason front drive tanks are not really a thing anymore. And you have a line of three abreast people right where the transmission needs to be.

I get that the driver's placement is an issue then, but even the turrets? They are on up the sponsons after all. Would they really get in the way of it? Why would the transmission extend up into where they are?

[Dostanuot Loj]

Because transmissions made to take that level of torque are huge. This is part of the reason front drive tanks are not really a thing anymore. And you have a line of three abreast people right where the transmission needs to be.

I get that the driver's placement is an issue then, but even the turrets? They are on up the sponsons after all. Would they really get in the way of it?

I think you're either massively overestimating the amount of space those sponsons have, or underestimating the space a person takes up. In either case, based on your image and the provided person for scale, the person manning each turret will be partially into the hull proper, partially in the sponson, and partially in the turret.

[Purpelia]

I'll do the simplest thing which is to take the image you asked for and show you what size the transmission should be for a front drive vehicle.


The red box is about what you could expect for a tank transmission.