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The Soodean Imperium
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:28 pm

Korva wrote:Ditch the remote turrets they are like -20 to elan ;_;

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Wish I could, but I rly wanted that 10-man dismount section, and longtank is loooong :(
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Postby Korva » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:29 pm

Gallia- wrote:>cta
>ever

the tows look kinda puny

i prefer "tactical entry sized"
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Wish I could, but I rly wanted that 10-man dismount section, and longtank is loooong :(

kimchi modernized lvtp-5 when


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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:37 pm

Korva wrote:
Gallia- wrote:>cta
>ever

the tows look kinda puny

i prefer "tactical entry sized"
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Wish I could, but I rly wanted that 10-man dismount section, and longtank is loooong :(

kimchi modernized lvtp-5 when

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1. take amphibious cargo vehicle with AA turret
2. remove AA turret
3. raise roof, add benches
4. add some kind of turret, probably
5. ??????
6. profit
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:40 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Korva wrote:Ditch the remote turrets they are like -20 to elan ;_;

(Image)

Wish I could, but I rly wanted that 10-man dismount section, and longtank is loooong :(


how big is big?

8m is about the max id think since that would be comparable to an MBT (albeit maybe slightly taller)

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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:44 pm

Gallia- wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Wish I could, but I rly wanted that 10-man dismount section, and longtank is loooong :(


how big is big?

8m is about the max id think since that would be comparable to an MBT (albeit maybe slightly taller)

Currently, with the remote turret installed and crew seated 3 in a row, it's 7.22 meters long and 1.95 meters to the hull roof.
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:46 pm

The Soodean Imperium wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
how big is big?

8m is about the max id think since that would be comparable to an MBT (albeit maybe slightly taller)

Currently, with the remote turret installed and crew seated 3 in a row, it's 7.22 meters long and 1.95 meters to the hull roof.


That's not very long or tall (although you should measure to turret roof). It's comparable to Lynx KF31, the shorter of the two. I was expecting like 7.8m I guess.

However I'm considering giving Galla's ~next generation IFV~ a 152mm cannon.

For shooting FOTTs from under armour and any other natures of 152mm ammunition. It will probably be the long 152mm of MBT-70.

Am I a bad person for doing this?

Now suppose I were going to have multiple forms of IFV in a single platoon. Not like two different carriers, but the same carrier with different turrets and armaments. I guess think of something like BMP-1 and BMP-2 being mixed together. One is the cannon and the other is a automatic, but it's 152mm and 40-50mm instead of 100mm and 30mm.

105mm assault guns will be retained I suppose.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:00 pm

Gallia- wrote:
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Currently, with the remote turret installed and crew seated 3 in a row, it's 7.22 meters long and 1.95 meters to the hull roof.


That's not very long or tall (although you should measure to turret roof). It's comparable to Lynx KF31, the shorter of the two. I was expecting like 7.8m I guess.

Some very preliminary fiddling in Paint.net suggests that if I went with a non-remote turret it would end up at just barely over 8 meters. Though now that I think about it, this could give me greater flexibility if I eventually need to upgrade to heavier (55mm?) autocannons.

I'm aware that turret roof is standard. I just used hull roof here to emphasize that it's unusually boxy, though really it just shows how cramped my previous IFVs were. Height to turret roof and excluding optics yields 2.68 meters.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:12 pm

Gallia- wrote:Now suppose I were going to have multiple forms of IFV in a single platoon. Not like two different carriers, but the same carrier with different turrets and armaments. I guess think of something like BMP-1 and BMP-2 being mixed together. One is the cannon and the other is a automatic, but it's 152mm and 40-50mm instead of 100mm and 30mm.

105mm assault guns will be retained I suppose.


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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:14 pm

Not literally, but they would be mixed like tanks and infantry.

The different IFVs would probably be organized by battalion like Soviet MRRs. Say 1 battalion of 152mm IFV and 2 battalions of 50mm IFV.

Either that or I could go full :US Army: and have half a platoon with 50mm and the other half with 152mm.
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Postby Laritaia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:07 pm

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Postby Laritaia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:19 pm

Gallia- wrote:1st Heavy Tank Battalion "Oxidizers"


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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:27 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Gallia- wrote:Now suppose I were going to have multiple forms of IFV in a single platoon. Not like two different carriers, but the same carrier with different turrets and armaments. I guess think of something like BMP-1 and BMP-2 being mixed together. One is the cannon and the other is a automatic, but it's 152mm and 40-50mm instead of 100mm and 30mm.

105mm assault guns will be retained I suppose.


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To be fair, the 73mm gun on the BMP-1 wasn't terrible at anti-infantry when using HE-frag.

Especially when an AGS-17, Zu-23 or Dushka was strapped in place of the Sagger-rail.

Or you know... a GSh-23
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:31 pm

BMP-1 and BMP-2 inter-operating is the reason BMP-3 has the silly combination of 30mm and 100mm.

I'm going about it more sensibly than BMP-3 did. Mainly by not having an automatic cannon if I can help it.

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Postby Laritaia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:32 pm

Gallia- wrote:BMP-1 and BMP-2 inter-operating is the reason BMP-3 has the silly combination of 30mm and 100mm.

I'm going about it more sensibly than BMP-3 did. Mainly by not having an automatic cannon if I can help it.


the BMP-3 has both because the 30mm is both not amazingly accurate and has a mediocre HE effect

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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:46 pm

Laritaia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:BMP-1 and BMP-2 inter-operating is the reason BMP-3 has the silly combination of 30mm and 100mm.

I'm going about it more sensibly than BMP-3 did. Mainly by not having an automatic cannon if I can help it.


the BMP-3 has both because the 30mm is both not amazingly accurate and has a mediocre HE effect


And if Russia had Bushmasters they would still have an akan coaxial.

It's because BMP-2 had the 30mm and BMP-1 had the 73mm. They tended to interoperate together in Afghanistan, with BMP-1's low pressure gun being used as an ersatz gun-mortar by infantry troops. In this case, the 100mm and 73mm are both area target weapons, except the 100mm is more accurate than Grom so it can be used for point and area targets fine, as well as providing a missile launch capability under-armour.

I might change my idea a bit.

Weapons platoons get 152mm IFVs, line platoons get akan IFVs, and fire support platoons have 105mm guns or sth. The former carries machine gun teams in the back I guess, sort of like AMX-10P PAC-90 but less dumb. ATM it's a Long!Bradley and a Bradley-113 and a Bradley-MGS, but in the future it'll be a Long!COMVAT, a Bradley-551, and a Bradley-MGS. COMVAT may or may not have HATM/TOW launch tubes on the side of the turret like LAV-25 or BMP-2, but they be mostly used for various multipurpose/bunker buster TOW natures.

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Postby Laritaia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:49 pm

should just make a tracked version of the Vickers Mk 11

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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:50 pm

Laritaia wrote:should just make a tracked version of the Vickers Mk 11


It would be too big.

Vickers Mk11 wouldn't have enough guns for what I'm doing anyway. Galla will either recycle MBT-70's 6" dick or replace it with a lower pressure lower velocity 152mm gun-mortar and be absolutely insane with all these mortars.
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Postby Laritaia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:52 pm

the mk 11 had more guns then a bradley with a 152 would

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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:54 pm

Laritaia wrote:the mk 11 had more guns then a bradley with a 152 would


It had a dinky 105mm gun. Colour me impressed.

I'm turning Galla's Bradley-MGS analogues into 120mm AMP-throwers anyway. The 152mms are there to be cute and fire copious quantities of WP.

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Postby Laritaia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:55 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Laritaia wrote:the mk 11 had more guns then a bradley with a 152 would


It had a dinky 105mm gun. Colour me impressed.

I'm turning Galla's Bradley-MGS analogues into 120mm AMP-throwers anyway. The 152mms are there to be cute and fire copious quantities of WP.


it had a 105 plus 7.62mm coax, .50cal TCs weapon and firing ports

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Postby Gallia- » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:58 pm

Laritaia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
It had a dinky 105mm gun. Colour me impressed.

I'm turning Galla's Bradley-MGS analogues into 120mm AMP-throwers anyway. The 152mms are there to be cute and fire copious quantities of WP.


it had a 105 plus 7.62mm coax, .50cal TCs weapon and firing ports


That's less guns than the Bradley, even the 25mm Bradley, by far.

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