Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[New Vihenia]

So.. this is 2K17 already.. I wonder if there's anything revealed yet on how actually Depleted Uranium used in tank armor.

can it be used as it is (in shape of plate) or any form of treatment, used to make it viable ?

[Austrasien]

Bulging plates probably.

[Dostanuot Loj]

So.. this is 2K17 already.. I wonder if there's anything revealed yet on how actually Depleted Uranium used in tank armor.

can it be used as it is (in shape of plate) or any form of treatment, used to make it viable ?

Considering it's still a heavy element, it's unlikely that anything will be directly revealed until it becomes more obsolete.

What we know is how composite armours work. The inclusion of bulging and perforated plates, meshes, ceramics and other materials. How many of these are meant to work we also know.

I've been saying for years that the Abrams' DU component is likely simply a perforated plate insert within the whole. As part of a compliment to an otherwise reactive structure comprising bulging plates/NERA and simple RHA to provide a multi-layered complex protection scheme which does the job. Leopard 2 very likely does exactly the same thing with Tungsten and other minor material changes. Same with Challenger and Leclerc and so on.

[Husseinarti]

yeah whatever. I better stop posting in this thread entirely.

Sumer is probably a legit paid spokesperson for the Leopard 1 its fine.

[Gallia-]

yeah whatever. I better stop posting in this thread entirely.

Sumer is probably a legit paid spokesperson for the Leopard 1 its fine bad.

Doesn't even have protection against ammunition penetration/detonation for the crewmen.

[Kouralia]

I agree with Nick.

[Fordorsia]

The limit for airdropping tanks is the amount of parachutes that can fit, therefore the ability to make it usable on the ground, right? It's not necessarily the tank's weight/the plane's weight limit?

[Gallia-]

It's about 20 tons.

[Fordorsia]

It's about 20 tons.

That's the drop limit? How come?

[Gallia-]

It's about 20 tons.

That's the drop limit? How come?

Because that's how much a G-11 LVAD bundle can support.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Was the CVR(T)'s ever thrown out of a plane on a paradrop? <.<

[Gallia-]

Ostensibly, but there was never a need. Either for CVR(T) or for CVR(T) to be airdropped, as it came into service right when the Empire exploded. The UK is too irrelevant and unimportant a country in world affairs to need to parachute anything now.

[Fordorsia]

That's the drop limit? How come?

Because that's how much a G-11 LVAD bundle can support.

So if the plane was bigger to support a larger LVAD, it could drop heavier vehicles?

I'm asking because of this thing. I imagine it could be possible (handwavable) to convert it to have platforms holding the vehicles above the two cargo doors on the belly, that get lowered when the doors open. Then boom, dropped.

Or less complex with a rear door, this. Both are large enough to carry a number of large heavy tanks, so I was just wondering about the usefulness of airdropping them.

[Gallia-]

Because that's how much a G-11 LVAD bundle can support.

So if the plane was bigger to support a larger LVAD

Not how it works. If you were able to make it arbitrarily huge, the US Army would be airdropping Abrams tanks and XM2001s.

A full up 42,000 lbs G-11 LVAD rig, and whatever Russian equivalent, are likely the largest cargo parachute systems that can be built. I suspect G-11 is the bigger of the two because the US Army didn't need to mess around with rockets to make the velocity low enough to land a tank.

Making a 20 ton parachute assembly that could deliver at the speeds required to ensure the tank doesn't explode on impact was a bit hard. Going past that is probably harder still. There are patents for 60,000 lbs parachute clusters using 12 G-11 parachutes and there's been airdrops of palettes using the 12-parachute cluster, but it's never been used to drop vehicles.

[Fordorsia]

So if the plane was bigger to support a larger LVAD

Not how it works. If you were able to make it arbitrarily huge, the US Army would be airdropping Abrams tanks and XM2001s.

A full up 42,000 lbs G-11 LVAD rig, and whatever Russian equivalent, are likely the largest cargo parachute systems that can be built. I suspect G-11 is the bigger of the two because the US Army didn't need to mess around with rockets to make the velocity low enough to land a tank.

What's the limiting factor then? Why can't it go any heavier?

[Gallia-]

Not how it works. If you were able to make it arbitrarily huge, the US Army would be airdropping Abrams tanks and XM2001s.

A full up 42,000 lbs G-11 LVAD rig, and whatever Russian equivalent, are likely the largest cargo parachute systems that can be built. I suspect G-11 is the bigger of the two because the US Army didn't need to mess around with rockets to make the velocity low enough to land a tank.

What's the limiting factor then? Why can't it go any heavier?

Impact velocity? Lack of understanding of flow effects? G-11 parachute clusters were devised in the 1960s before CFD, and armored fighting vehicles require very low velocities on the order of 8 m/s or less, or so. The USAF investigated parachute clusters combined with a system called Parachute Retrorocket Airdrop System that was supposed to be able to deliver payloads as large as 32 tonnes and reduce the drop altitude from ~350 meters to ~250 meters altitude due to fewer numbers of parachutes being used. It never went anywhere.

The real reason is probably a combination of things, perhaps the most obvious is that C-130J is limited to a payload of ~20-21 tons to retain a respectable range. A less obvious reason is that more parachutes will require a higher altitude to ensure adequate deployment of all the canopies, which risks exposing the launching aircraft to ground fire. The USAF prefers to conduct air assaults as low as possible to minimize exposure to ground fire and air defenses. The current 42,000 lbs LVAD rig can deploy armored vehicles from a minimum altitude of 500 feet (previously it was 750 feet) for that reason.

The most you'd probably be able to parachute would maybe be an M2, with a large system of canopies, powerful retrorockets, and strong impact cushion.

[Fordorsia]

So dropping heavy tanks or even super heavy tanks from my fat planes wouldn't happen :c

[Gallia-]

It would be easier to land the plane and drive it out.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Making a 20 ton parachute assembly that could deliver at the speeds required to ensure the tank doesn't explode on impact was a bit hard. Going past that is probably harder still. There are patents for 60,000 lbs parachute clusters using 12 G-11 parachutes and there's been airdrops of palettes using the 12-parachute cluster, but it's never been used to drop vehicles.

Soon™

[Laritaia]

Was the CVR(T)'s ever thrown out of a plane on a paradrop? <.<

an enlarged version of the CVR(T) armed with a 75mm gun and a Dual TOW missile launcher was offered to the 82nd to replace their Sheridens, so it can be assumed that Alvis considered the vehicles capable of air drop.

[Gallia-]

Making a 20 ton parachute assembly that could deliver at the speeds required to ensure the tank doesn't explode on impact was a bit hard. Going past that is probably harder still. There are patents for 60,000 lbs parachute clusters using 12 G-11 parachutes and there's been airdrops of palettes using the 12-parachute cluster, but it's never been used to drop vehicles.

Soon™

That's what they said about FCS and GCV.

MPF will more than likely be equally disappointing.

The return of PRADS would be hilarious though.

Was the CVR(T)'s ever thrown out of a plane on a paradrop? <.<

an enlarged version of the CVR(T) armed with a 75mm gun and a Dual TOW missile launcher was offered to the 82nd to replace their Sheridens, so it can be assumed that Alvis considered the vehicles capable of air drop.

I demand of images.

[Laritaia]

an enlarged version of the CVR(T) armed with a 75mm gun and a Dual TOW missile launcher was offered to the 82nd to replace their Sheridens, so it can be assumed that Alvis considered the vehicles capable of air drop.

I demand of images.

they never actually made one because the US army rejected it immediately after the idea was proposed.

but the concept lived on in a bunch of prototype vehicles, one of which was called the Storm and carried the french 90mm turret from the Sagaie



all that exists of the original proposal is a model



it's what i based my 90mm armed recce tank on

[Fordorsia]

It would be easier to land the plane and drive it out.

But the planes are so thicc

And the first one is a flying boat

[Gallia-]

It would be easier to land the plane and drive it out.

But the planes are so thicc

And the first one is a flying boat

How does the tank get inside it then?

[Fordorsia]

But the planes are so thicc

And the first one is a flying boat

How does the tank get inside it then?

Specialized docks, same with any large cargo that can't be put in through the side door or too bulky to be move forward after being put in the side doors. The wing float things are still on small water channels, but the fuselage is supported over a dry dock ready for loading. Like how the B-29 was loaded with the atom bomb, just much bigger.

That's why I suggested the tanks being on separate platforms or cradles inside the plane, so that they're suspended rather than being directly on the floor, so that the belly doors can be right below them.