Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[Purpelia]

Needs a MG of some sort. Otherwise cute.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

Do we know much about the Rheinmetall Challenger 2 LEP upgrade? Is it much of a step up from the baseline Challenger 2?

[Gallia-]

Let's hunt some tenks.

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tonks r bonked

[Connori Pilgrims]

Do we know much about the Rheinmetall Challenger 2 LEP upgrade? Is it much of a step up from the baseline Challenger 2?

The promises Rheinmetall made for its LEP proposal would make it a big step up from the baseline Chally 2. Whether it is worth the cost and whether its better than just buying 2A7/2A7+, EMBT or M1A2C/D is something that will get real bitter real quick.

That is, IF it gets selected in lieu of the competing proposal (IIRC, Rheinmetall did acquire the BAE Land Systems, but they say the competition is still a go) and IF it survives the inevitable penny-parsing that will happen even if it got selected and features get lopped off.

Let's hunt some tenks.

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Is it just an ATGM/SSM carrier? Or is it also an ADATS kind of dual-purpose thing?

[The Manticoran Empire]

Is there any advantage to a 5-tank platoon?

[New Vihenia]

Is it just an ATGM/SSM carrier? Or is it also an ADATS kind of dual-purpose thing?

It's ATGM/SSM carrier, the same manner as Chinese tracked HJ-10. It might be able to take UAV down but it's not a SAM.

[Iltica]

Hey all, I came across this unusual turret design by Wegmann on SecretProjects and was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on it's practicality.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/german-casemate-tanks.820/page-2
Apparently back in 1978 it was designed as a lower-profile, 2-man turret design for the leopard 2, presumably with an autoloader.
It's about 30% lower than the production turret but maintains gun depression with a movable panel in the turret roof that is attached to the gun mantlet (though to me it looks more like the gun is inside some sort of moving box idk.)

[Gallia-]

The flappy boi is fine if you want a short turret but don't want like -2 degrees of gun depression.

Let's you LARP a T-80 or T-72 without the gun depression.

[Austrasien]

Is there any advantage to a 5-tank platoon?

If you lose 2 you have 3

[Gallia-]

Platoons within platoons, interlinked.

[Austrasien]

The flappy boi is fine if you want a short turret but don't want like -2 degrees of gun depression.

Let's you LARP a T-80 or T-72 without the gun depression.

Ackchyually

[Gallia-]

Yes it says -10 degrees. I assume Wegmann is like -10 or -12 or something.

That's what I mean, without [the impact on] gun depression.

Also that fuel tank is cancer and that's why it's 2nd worse compared to the one where the TC sits with the gun between his legs like a oversized codpiece.

[Austrasien]

Yes it says -10 degrees. I assume Wegmann is like -10 or -12 or something.

That's what I mean, without [the impact on] gun depression.

Also that fuel tank is cancer and that's why it's 2nd worse compared to the one where the TC sits with the gun between his legs like a oversized codpiece.

Meaning somehow backwards read it, I.

[Gallia-]

TBF I can see the ambiguity after re-reading it.

If only I knew what a gerund was I could have avoided this.

[Iltica]

Seems like it would be hard to seal for NBC protection?
Guess you could have some sort of accordion-esque baffles under there or something.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Seems like it would be hard to seal for NBC protection?
Guess you could have some sort of accordion-esque baffles under there or something.

Positive pressure NBC system.

[New Vihenia]

New Tactical Vehicle. of our army.

Basically born from the requirements for more protection and things like that.

This is the "Highlander"





The baseline version can carry 4 men/women.


The cabin has V-Hull and almost have no belly penetrations. Highlander possess unique Drive by wire system with all the function of throttle, braking and steering system are digitalized and use highspeed fiber optic cable, connecting the dashboard with control box in the engine bay. This allow belly structural strength to be uniform without weakpoint resulted from penetration by throttle or steering wheel shaft. The Cabin is made out of high strength steel with 30mm thickness, providing base protection against small arms up to 50'cal from 200m. Production vehicle will have additional ceramic-steel backing armor, with void to allow protection against up to 14.5mm machinegun.

[Orussia]

Hey all, I came across this unusual turret design by Wegmann on SecretProjects and was wondering if you guys had any thoughts on it's practicality.
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https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/german-casemate-tanks.820/page-2
Apparently back in 1978 it was designed as a lower-profile, 2-man turret design for the leopard 2, presumably with an autoloader.
It's about 30% lower than the production turret but maintains gun depression with a movable panel in the turret roof that is attached to the gun mantlet (though to me it looks more like the gun is inside some sort of moving box idk.)

Practical enough that I went through a ton of effort designing and modelling a chassis to bear a turret of this type.

[New Vihenia]

I see a westernized Ob-490 Buntar there OwO

[Anemos Major]

I see a westernized Ob-490 Buntar there OwO

Thought exactly the same thing when I saw it

[Gallia-]

I've been trying to merge Stryker MGS and Merky IIb's turret into a lowkey Buntyboi for a while now.

[Husseinarti]

Is there any advantage to a 5-tank platoon?

yeah you can lose tanks and maintain a platoon sized element.

The soviet 3 tank platoons are nice and lean but you lose a tank and you now have problems, you lose 2 tanks you have to roll the platoon into another platoon.

a 5 tank platoon, with its disadvantages of extra maintenance and crew needs, plus the fact your units get heavier and thiccer and need more logistical support has a few cool advantages.

another problem units may face is peacetime/natural degradation of forces, a 5 tank platoon may be able to absorb losses from non-combat problems like mechanical breakdowns and just roll the crew into a truck or something as a reserve crew. You can lose up to 2 tanks before your problems get serious.

You do need a pretty decent officer corps training system because they need good leadership, as 5 "units" or "elements" tend to be the limit a good unit commander can lead effectively, you can mitigate this by having an assistant platoon leader in another tank, but you still need good leadership to effectively command it.

[Orussia]

I see a westernized Ob-490 Buntar there OwO

Only thing Western is the applique armor. Based it off a Chally 2 armor pack I saw a while back. Might have been the Megatron? Chassis itself is quite Russian in layout, as is the cannon and engine.

And yes. The few images I found of the 490A heavily advised the design. Thought it turned out pretty well myself. Also modeled a version that uses a conventional manned turret with bustle autoloader as an export model. Will post when I get home from work.

EDIT: Anemos! Long time no see sir! Good to see you're still around!

[Gallia-]

Is there any advantage to a 5-tank platoon?

yeah you can lose tanks and maintain a platoon sized element.

The soviet 3 tank platoons are nice and lean but you lose a tank and you now have problems, you lose 2 tanks you have to roll the platoon into another platoon.

a 5 tank platoon, with its disadvantages of extra maintenance and crew needs, plus the fact your units get heavier and thiccer and need more logistical support has a few cool advantages.

another problem units may face is peacetime/natural degradation of forces, a 5 tank platoon may be able to absorb losses from non-combat problems like mechanical breakdowns and just roll the crew into a truck or something as a reserve crew. You can lose up to 2 tanks before your problems get serious.

You do need a pretty decent officer corps training system because they need good leadership, as 5 "units" or "elements" tend to be the limit a good unit commander can lead effectively, you can mitigate this by having an assistant platoon leader in another tank, but you still need good leadership to effectively command it.

It would not be hard since the PL will have a platoon sergeant and possibly a senior tank commander to split the workload between. So instead of being stuck with a wingman he just goes where he's needed.

[Anemos Major]

Only thing Western is the applique armor. Based it off a Chally 2 armor pack I saw a while back. Might have been the Megatron? Chassis itself is quite Russian in layout, as is the cannon and engine.

And yes. The few images I found of the 490A heavily advised the design. Thought it turned out pretty well myself. Also modeled a version that uses a conventional manned turret with bustle autoloader as an export model. Will post when I get home from work.

EDIT: Anemos! Long time no see sir! Good to see you're still around!

Great to still be around - many thanks for the kind greeting! ^_^ Great to see that you're also still around!

Currently in the midst of drawing up a Buntar-alike turret as well in what I intend to be a horrific Type 10/Buntar/NKPz mashup that'll replace my awkwardly drawn MA11 direct fire support variant...



... most of my activity here seems to involve redrawing something I dislike once every few years, but I suppose that's something.