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by Kanugues Wed » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:51 am
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:23 pm
by North Arkana » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:57 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:01 pm
by North Arkana » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:03 pm
by Dostanuot Loj » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:07 pm
by Gallia- » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:08 pm
by North Arkana » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:09 pm
by Gallia- » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:11 pm
North Arkana wrote:Between the M908 and the AMP, you already have inconsequential level of obstacle clearance abilities
by Dostanuot Loj » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:14 pm
North Arkana wrote:Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Track width mine plow is only "obstacle clearance" if you're only obstacles are shallow buried antk-tank mines.
Between the M908 and the AMP, you already have not inconsequential level of obstacle clearance abilities present just be shooting things with the right ammunition.
by North Arkana » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:21 pm
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by Dayganistan » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:08 pm
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Dayganistan wrote:So I'm looking for a vehicle for a gendarmerie of sorts, although maybe it's more similar to Brazilian military police units like BOPE. They'd be intended to patrol and pacify hostile areas in the event of uncontrollable crime, an insurgency, or an uprising against the government, and also potentially be employed as SWAT teams. Ideally, their vehicle should be able to carry at least 8 men and have the possibility of being armed with a machine gun or automatic grenade launcher (or maybe even an autocannon if that wouldn't be too excessive), as well as being resistant to mine and IED threats. Since I'm not really concerned about them maintaining the appearance of a civilian police force, should I just go full out and give them a wheeled APC of sorts or stick with something more in line with an MRAP?
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by Taihei Tengoku » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:28 pm
Dayganistan wrote:So I'm looking for a vehicle for a gendarmerie of sorts, although maybe it's more similar to Brazilian military police units like BOPE. They'd be intended to patrol and pacify hostile areas in the event of uncontrollable crime, an insurgency, or an uprising against the government, and also potentially be employed as SWAT teams. Ideally, their vehicle should be able to carry at least 8 men and have the possibility of being armed with a machine gun or automatic grenade launcher (or maybe even an autocannon if that wouldn't be too excessive), as well as being resistant to mine and IED threats. Since I'm not really concerned about them maintaining the appearance of a civilian police force, should I just go full out and give them a wheeled APC of sorts or stick with something more in line with an MRAP?
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 pm
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:23 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:
As others have mentioned, it's just an Abrams with TUSK II and mine plow.
You wouldn't necessarily want to make all of that kit standard since the mine plow adds a lot of weight and makes the vehicle larger. You only need a handful of vehicles to clear a path, and you would need even fewer if you had dedicated breaching vehicles like Grizzly or M1 ABV in sufficient quantities. The gun shields for the commander and loader just make the tank really tall so they're not great if you're trying to use cover. Which is why newer M1 variants just give the commander an RWS instead (which is also tall, but can fold down to reduce the tank's profile).
The rest of the gear is largely superfluous. The extra M2 doesn't really hurt, but it's mostly an anti-sniper gun and as far as I've seen, most M1s with TUSK installed don't even bother mounting it. AFAIK, ARAT is mostly anti-HEAT and so is of limited use against APFSDS (which was not a problem since insurgents don't usually carry man-portable M68s or M256s). It also makes the tank heavier, of course.
The track retaining ring though should be removed because it is no longer necessary and by at least some accounts, actively detrimental to the vehicle now because it can make detracking incidents worse.
Once you've done all that, you're left with just an M1A2 SEP Abrams. The TUSK modifications that were more generally useful outside of urban combat were either already rolled out or rolled into the SEP v3 program to be made standard, and the ones geared more exclusively toward urban combat were removed.
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:44 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:17 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:I was thinking that one tank in the platoon (most likely platoon leader's tank) will carry the mine plow but all 4 tanks in the platoon will have two M2s in RWS operated by the commander and loader (my nation's M1A3 has an autoloader but we kept the fourth crewmember) and a third M2 over the main gun to be operated by the gunner if needed.
by Kanugues Wed » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:22 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:I was thinking that one tank in the platoon (most likely platoon leader's tank) will carry the mine plow but all 4 tanks in the platoon will have two M2s in RWS operated by the commander and loader (my nation's M1A3 has an autoloader but we kept the fourth crewmember) and a third M2 over the main gun to be operated by the gunner if needed.
That's an unnecessary number of M2s.
Under what circumstances do you ever expect your crews will need to fire 3 HMGs simultaneously?
by The Manticoran Empire » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:27 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:The Manticoran Empire wrote:I was thinking that one tank in the platoon (most likely platoon leader's tank) will carry the mine plow but all 4 tanks in the platoon will have two M2s in RWS operated by the commander and loader (my nation's M1A3 has an autoloader but we kept the fourth crewmember) and a third M2 over the main gun to be operated by the gunner if needed.
That's an unnecessary number of M2s.
Under what circumstances do you ever expect your crews will need to fire 3 HMGs simultaneously?
by Taihei Tengoku » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:39 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:44 pm
The Manticoran Empire wrote:When I'm at war with North Korea or China and the tanks are being swarmed by infantry armed with grenades.
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