Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation Mk X

[New Vaduz]

Hi I was wondering if it is possible to put a larger gun on the BMP-1/2 chassis. A direct fire weapon that is low velocity like the old 73mm Grom, maybe something like a 90mm gun? I don't want it to be too large so as to tempt the crew to use it on tanks, but still capable of supporting infantry like the old Grom and the new Russian 100mm is meant to be.

I like the way the Scorpion tank was up gunned to 90mm, but I'm not sure how that conversion for the BMP would work.

I RP as a country which used to be a former Soviet client but is switching over to all Western type arms, hence I think a NATO standard gun on the BMP is a good idea but I'm not sure. Can the chassis take the weight and the recoil? Would there be enough storage space for the ammunition and still seat a full infantry section? Is the turret ring large enough to support an up gunning? And Do I have to replace the whole turret or just the gun?

[Taihei Tengoku]

The 90mm you're thinking of was used on the AML/Eland, which barely broke six tons. A BMP will be fine, it's not that powerful of a gun. That being said the BMP-2's gun doesn't really need replacing and a better way for the BMP-1 is probably some kind of one-man turret or remote weapons station with a better autocannon like 2A42 (if you have spares) or Bushmaster.

[New Vaduz]

The 90mm you're thinking of was used on the AML/Eland, which barely broke six tons. A BMP will be fine, it's not that powerful of a gun. That being said the BMP-2's gun doesn't really need replacing and a better way for the BMP-1 is probably some kind of one-man turret or remote weapons station with a better autocannon like 2A42 (if you have spares) or Bushmaster.

I did not know that is the same gun as the one on the Scorpion. What are the stats on it?

Anyway I do not favour 25mm autocannon and the like because they are better suited to taking on other armour and suppressing infantry.

I plan to do urban combat with my nation's BMPs and something like the 73mm only more powerful and firing a larger shell, yet smaller than a bulky tank cannon which will pose greater risk to dismounted infantry around it when used at close quarters and is harder to traverse in narrow streets.

The big shell will be able to penetrate concrete structures more effectively than a 40mm grenade launcher of the Bushmaster.

[Taihei Tengoku]

An autocannon will be able to elevate and depress like Grom or Cockerill can't (a must in urban warfare), and any lack of punch it has against the Grom it can make up for by firing at 200rpm vice 7. There is probably a reason why Russia is abandoning the 100mm gun for just a 2A42 in the Kurganets and Armata, with all the experience it had in the post-Soviet street fights.

Bushmaster comes in 30 and 35mm as well as 25mm, although the 25mm Bushmaster will also do just fine chewing up concrete walls and the infantry behind them.

[Allanea]

The Grom doesn't have all that punch, anyway. It's not a 'cannon' in the conventional sense - it shoot the same rocket as the SPG-9 does.

[Fryske Ryk]

it grow

b = befel
m = mortier
ra = radar
elo = electromagnetic combat
gob = gun/artillery observer
ljoanra = light anti-tank rocket
kan = cannon
anlokan = anti-aircraft cannon
swianra = heavy anti-tank rocket
anlora = anti-aircraft rocket

last two might possibly be a fitter vehicle and a self-propelled howitzer

[Dostanuot Loj]

I'm so proud of you right now Gallia, it's bringing tears to my eyes.

;_;

[Purpelia]

Two questions:
1. Whats the lightest smallest armored vehicle that I could mount an autocanon in 40mm Bofors (40×364mmR) on?
2. Whats the lightest smallest armored vehicle that I could mount a single shot gun in ye-old 40mm Bofors (40×311mmR) on?

Assume a decently long barrel too.

You might find that something perfectly doable that would satisfy your first or second condition simply hasn't been done IRL. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been a whole lot of interest in light/ultralight AFVs mounting 40mm autocannons, so incidentally you just won't see them IRL.

With that being said, if you're willing to sacrifice some protection or other things there's nothing saying that a lighter vehicle than seen IRL wouldn't be feasible.

For reference #2 would be a WW2 era light tank. I ideally want something similar to the T-50 but I really, really just want to push it to the limit with being light. Like, pistol proof is good enough.

[Laritaia]

3 tons

[Chinevion]

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I have been advised by a certain someone to post here to get some critique, have someone look at it with fresh eyes.
It's a simple mockup so a bunch of things you see are still a subject to change, like proper DUKE antenna, suspension or RWS.

It's basically Object 490a Buntar on a different chassis, this time with a fully unmanned turret and waaay thicker armour. Whole crew sits in the front, a'la Armata. Two hatches on the side of the turret, one under the main gun. Whole thing would enter service in late 90's, armed with 140mm cannon. Overkill for sure, but whatever, I need to escape cartoon :not:leo2s.

So gud man. loving the turret design.

Also on a side note does anyone have a 1px:1inch track I can borrow? I will give credit.

Side side not. GErman and Americans tankers of warthunder. If you want the mbt 70/kpz 70 support this thread: Kpz-70/mbt-70 warthunder suggestion

[Chinevion]

If the mbt-70 had been completed instead of being cancelled what do you guys think modern tanks would look like in USA

[Laritaia]

Also on a side note does anyone have a 1px:1inch track I can borrow? I will give credit.

Novorden/ Risen Britannia had some, i dunno where they are though.

If the mbt-70 had been completed instead of being cancelled what do you guys think modern tanks would look like in USA

in all likelihood they would still be using MBT-70s, but would possibly have begun development of lighter modern 120mm smoothbore armed tank in the vein of the Leclerc, K2, and Altay

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

Why did the T-34 and Tiger I both have so much armor on their rear? Especially in the case of the well-sloped T-34's rear, it seems like a wasteful design choice.

[Laritaia]

Why did the T-34 and Tiger I both have so much armor on their rear? Especially in the case of the well-sloped T-34's rear, it seems like a wasteful design choice.

encase some uncouth rapscallion decided to do the ungentlemanly thing and shoot them in the arse

[Our Ladia]

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3 tons

What vehicle is that?

[Our Ladia]

So what made halftracks cheaper then full tracked vehicles of similar weight?

[Laritaia]

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3 tons

What vehicle is that?

it's a local pattern Universal Carrier with a 2lber gun

So what made halftracks cheaper then full tracked vehicles of similar weight?

easier driver training and simpler and cheaper engine and transmission

[Gallia-]

"Local pattern"?

UK?

[Our Ladia]

What vehicle is that?

it's a local pattern Universal Carrier with a 2lber gun

So what made halftracks cheaper then full tracked vehicles of similar weight?

easier driver training and simpler and cheaper engine and transmission

Thank you.

What made the engine and drivetrain easier?

[Laritaia]

"Local pattern"?

UK?

Local Pattern is what they called universal carriers produced in Australia

What made the engine and drivetrain easier?

it was literally a regular truck drivetrain mated to a set of tracks

[Gallia-]

Oh right.

[Purpelia]

Why did the T-34 and Tiger I both have so much armor on their rear? Especially in the case of the well-sloped T-34's rear, it seems like a wasteful design choice.

Relevant

[Husseinarti]

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it grow

b = befel
m = mortier
ra = radar
elo = electromagnetic combat
gob = gun/artillery observer
ljoanra = light anti-tank rocket
kan = cannon
anlokan = anti-aircraft cannon
swianra = heavy anti-tank rocket
anlora = anti-aircraft rocket

last two might possibly be a fitter vehicle and a self-propelled howitzer

nice m3 half-tracks with new body kits when will we see the m8 grayhounds with the toucan ii turrets?

[Fryske Ryk]

For one thing the suspension resembles AMX-10P, not M3. Notice lack of HVSS or whatever.

For another, (((wheeled death trucks))). Finally I'll change the words to be three letters max for variants.

When I get around to it I'll find something suitably stupid. Probably Oto Melara Capraia or Gorgona.

[Husseinarti]

its cool


it isn't as cute as this tho