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Postby Laritaia » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:18 pm

Fordorsia wrote:Use catapults to transport tanks


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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:15 pm

Tharaka wrote:Modern tanks can not withstand each others' main guns.

While this point can be debated until the Sun explodes, your tank should at least be able to defend against early PG-7V, SPG-9 and early D-10T APC from the front.
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Postby Iltica » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:43 pm

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Pavelania wrote:I like the T-90 because I feel it's more suited for our mostly wet a rainy islands with the mud we get from the rain (M1 being heavy gets stuck in mud alot).


Ground pressure has already been explained.

But depending on what kind of environment you're in exactly, MBTs probably don't have a place. If you're like Indonesia, you're best sticking with light tanks (with MBT guns) that can be easily transported from island to island. MBTs might be too heavy for sort of thing.

If you are looking for MBT's with really low ground pressure it looks like your best bet is something based on the M60. The original is pretty long in the tooth but as something like the Magach or Sabra Mk.1 might still be fairly competitive and has a fairly low .83 kg/cm2 (12 psi)
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Postby Gallan Systems » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:07 am

Fordorsia wrote:Why did the US choose to move onto the 90mm from the 76mm? The shells are roughly the same length, with the 90mm being considerably wider due to having shoulders, so why didn't they just give the 76mm a more powerful charge by making the case wider instead?


Because 90mm existed.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:19 am

Assuming your tank gets a hit in its special armor and it penetrates how would you go about repairing the penetration? As in, I know you can but can anyone tell me at what level this would be done which way and how long it would take to fix it properly and if the vehicle would have to be sent to the factory after X hits etc.
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Postby Laritaia » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:36 am

Purpelia wrote:Assuming your tank gets a hit in its special armor and it penetrates how would you go about repairing the penetration? As in, I know you can but can anyone tell me at what level this would be done which way and how long it would take to fix it properly and if the vehicle would have to be sent to the factory after X hits etc.


if the damage to the armour array is judged to be significant, cut the top off the armour cavity, remove and replace armour array, replace top, and weld up hole in the cosmetic armour plate.

if it's not significant you just weld up the hole

it's a depot level operation at minimum (if you have replacement Armour arrays)

if you're like the British army and you don't, you just throw the tank away
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Postby Chinevion » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:16 am

Laritaia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Assuming your tank gets a hit in its special armor and it penetrates how would you go about repairing the penetration? As in, I know you can but can anyone tell me at what level this would be done which way and how long it would take to fix it properly and if the vehicle would have to be sent to the factory after X hits etc.


if the damage to the armour array is judged to be significant, cut the top of the armour cavity, remove and replace armour array, replace top, and weld up hole in the cosmetic armour plate.

if it's not significant you just weld up the hole

it's a depot level operation at minimum (if you have replacement Armour arrays)

if you're like the British army and you don't, you just throw the tank away

Who are you? why do you know so much

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:25 am

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Laritaia wrote:
if the damage to the armour array is judged to be significant, cut the top of the armour cavity, remove and replace armour array, replace top, and weld up hole in the cosmetic armour plate.

if it's not significant you just weld up the hole

it's a depot level operation at minimum (if you have replacement Armour arrays)

if you're like the British army and you don't, you just throw the tank away

Who are you? why do you know so much


This is pretty readily available knowledge.

It's also been discussed to death repeatedly over the last 10+ years here. Along with a lot of other aspects of tanks.
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Postby Questers » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:27 am

Tharaka wrote:Did any Warsaw Pack nation or Middle Eastern Nation make an equivalent gun to the Royal Ordnance L7? I do not mean an equivalent gun for MBTs. Rather, a very compact gun that can fit in relatively small small turrets.
Yes, all their guns.

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Postby Gallan Systems » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:36 am

Laritaia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Assuming your tank gets a hit in its special armor and it penetrates how would you go about repairing the penetration? As in, I know you can but can anyone tell me at what level this would be done which way and how long it would take to fix it properly and if the vehicle would have to be sent to the factory after X hits etc.


if the damage to the armour array is judged to be significant, cut the top off the armour cavity, remove and replace armour array, replace top, and weld up hole in the cosmetic armour plate.

if it's not significant you just weld up the hole

it's a depot level operation at minimum (if you have replacement Armour arrays)

if you're like the British army and you don't, you just throw the tank away


It could be done by a battalion in the US Army with some minor attached FSB support. Namely, welders.
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:14 pm

Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

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Postby Chinevion » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:15 pm

Fordorsia wrote:Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

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what the hesh round detonating the ammorack killing all the crew?

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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:30 pm

Chinevion wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

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what the hesh round detonating the ammorack killing all the crew?


The ammo rack is safely hidden away behind many bodies
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Postby ButtasticWaffles » Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:07 am

Leopard 3
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Type
Main Battle Tank
Place of Origin
Federal Republic of ButtasticWaffles
Service History
2005-Present
Wars
Brasilistan War
Crew
4

Dimensions and weight
Weight
68.8 t
Length (gun forward)
10.97 m
Hull length
7.7 m
Width
4 m
Height
3 m

Armament
Main gun
130 mm L/51 smoothbore gun
Elevation Range: -10 to +20 degrees(-12 and +24 when hydraulic suspension is used)
Machine guns
1 x 12.7-mm, 1 x 7.62-mm
Secondary Weapons
Panzershreck-16
Elevation range
- 9 to + 20 degrees
Traverse range
360 degrees
-8 to +25 degrees
Ammunition load
Main gun
42 rounds
4,200 7.62-mm rounds
2,500 12.7-mm Rounds

Mobility
Engine
MTU MB-837 Ka501 diesel
Engine power
1 500 hp
Maximum road speed
65 km/h
Range
450 km


The Leopard 3 first entered service in 2005 and succeeded the Leopard 2 and is now the main battle tank of the Buttastic Army.The Leopard 3 has seen action in the Brasilistan War and currently in the War in Donbass.Development of the Leopard 3 started in 1992 after a joint project with the United Kingdom and West Germany to create the MBT-80 failed.The main focus was to make a tank that was capable of high speeds on cross country areas and urban areas.Another main focus on the Leopard 3 was to greatly improve the armor from its previous counterpart,the Leopard 2,while still maintaining the ability to have great firepower without sacrificing speed.

The Leopard 3 can achieve speeds of 72 km/h on cross country roads while still maintaining the ability to accurately fire on the move up to 5,000 meters on rough terrain.The main gun is the Rheinmetall 130mm L/51 smoothbore gun.There are also a coaxial 7.62 MG-3 machine gun,a 12.7-mm mg that is mounted in a CROWS weapon system,and a Panzershrek-16 mounted in a CROWS weapon system used for eliminating infantry,light armored vehicles,and helicopters.The tank carries 42 rounds of ammunition for the main gun, 4200 rounds of ammunition for the MG-3, 2500 rounds of ammunition for the 12.7-mm mg, and 20 rockets for the Panzershrek-16.
The Leopard 3 has a very advanced fire control that allows it to track and engage other land vehicles at a long range,without a human operator manually firing the gun.The maximum firing range with the control system is 18 kilometers.Located on the back of the turret is a Panzershreck-16 that is also placed in a CROWS weapon system.The Panzershreck-16 is mainly used for eliminating helicopters but can also be used for infrantry and light armored vehicles.The secondary gunner controls the secondary armaments.

The Leopard 3 is powered by the license-built MTU MB-837 Ka501 diesel engine, developing 1 500 horsepower. There is also an auxiliary gas-turbine power unit, developing 400 horsepower that powers onboard systems when the main engine is turned off. The Leopard 3 has a state of the art semi-active hydropneumatic suspension. Every boogie wheel can be individually controlled, allowing the Leopard 3 to "sit", "stand", "kneel" or to "lean" in any direction. This feature gives tank a number of advantages.It is aslo claimed that this type of suspension on the Leopard 3 is also easier to maintain than traditional suspensions on other tanks.

This tank uses both modular composite armor of undisclosed type,explosive reactive armor (ERA) blocks and a classified type of armor material that greatly increases the tanks armor.It is has been demonstrated that the front armor withstands direct hits from 125-mm tank rounds. The Leopard 3 tank is also completed with an active protection system and countermeasures system.

Currently the Leopard 3 is one of the most advanced main battle tanks in the world, outclassing anything North Korea or China have.With all the technology put in the tank it doesn't come to a suprise that there is a high cost for building the tank.The Leopard 3 is one the most expensive main battle tanks to date,overtaking the Japanese Type 90 MBT at a price of 8 million infographics.

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Postby Federated Kingdom of Prussia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:00 am

Fordorsia wrote:Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

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Imagine that jack-in-the-box effect.

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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:08 am

ButtasticWaffles wrote:spimspam


High speed and mobility in urban areas at that size and weight? Doubt it.

outclassing anything North Korea or China have


I mean, there's only up to go from rock bottom

Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

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Imagine that jack-in-the-box effect.


pls no
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:11 am

Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

(Image)

Imagine that jack-in-the-box effect.

Imagine the fireworks of a HESH impact.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:15 am

The sound of thousands of MG rounds cooking off through the night
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Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:17 am

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Purpelia wrote:Could you get a functional vehicle by mounting the turret off an AMX-13-105 on to the hull of a T-34?

I doubt it. The T-34-100 was a ridiculous design alone. Putting an AMX turret is basically giving yourself a less capable chassis(prewar chassis and postwar turret?) with a turret not for the tank it was originally designed for. It's possible, with the T-34-100 and T-34-122 existing, but if you have the option I don't see why you wouldn't go with the T-55 or, if you prefer, Comet/Centurion.

The AMX 13 75 turret was mounted to both the M24 Chaffee chassis and the M4 Sherman chassis. T-34 chassis might be able to physically mount the thing, and it'd just be funny to see probably.
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Postby Gallan Systems » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:22 am

It wouldn't, if Hurty's figures for bearing diameter are accurate.

You'd need to rebuild the hull. In which case it's T-34 in name only.
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Postby Sevvania » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:45 am

Fordorsia wrote:Most efficient method of quickly killing 7 men

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*enthusiastic squeee*

The front of the hull is kinda odd, and I feel like you've got too many periscopes/viewports (especially on the secondary turrets), but I'm digging the T35-style layout.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:02 am

Sevvania wrote:and I feel like you've got too many periscopes/viewports.


NEVER

ENOUGH

Honestly I'm just always paranoid about visibility. Especially with close defense turrets like them, they're really the eyes of the Commander, who is also the 60mm gunner.

More WIP. Added two pintle MG 15s, one for the Commander and on for the Loader. Also put racks on the side of the barbette holding MG 15 drums. The turrets have a few drums inside them, but those external ones are just because there's room for them. They're also within reaching distance of the gunners so that's a plus. Also to note all the MGs are MG 15s besides the coax M1919.

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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

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Postby Gallan Systems » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:03 am

Strv 81 is a slow piece of shit but putting rockets on tanks is cool af.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:05 am

It's also an ugly piece of shit
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby Gallan Systems » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:10 am

All British things are ugly.
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And yet they came out to the stars not just with their lusts and their hatred and their fears, but with their technology and their medicine, their heroes as well as their villains. Most of the races of the galaxy had been painted by the Creator in pastels; Men were primaries.

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