Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Laywenrania]

It was?

a few pages ago

[Husseinarti]

3 Queastions
1: The fuck is a Sperg
2: How would you fight someone in an Exo suit with armor all around that's roughly 2 inches thick
3: What kind of grenade would be sufficient to kill said suit

I'd use a Panzershreck.

:/

[Khornatenreich]

3 Queastions
1: The fuck is a Sperg
2: How would you fight someone in an Exo suit with armor all around that's roughly 2 inches thick
3: What kind of grenade would be sufficient to kill said suit

I'd use a Panzershreck.

:/

Or these for maximum autism Wehraboo Krautism.

[Purpelia]

3 Queastions
1: The fuck is a Sperg
2: How would you fight someone in an Exo suit with armor all around that's roughly 2 inches thick
3: What kind of grenade would be sufficient to kill said suit

2. I'd try something like the XM-25 firing HEAT shells. That's my go to weapon in FT against powered armor and the like. It's doubly useful as you can just load regular old HE when fighting light enemies.

[Puzikas]

Tbh I'd just leave because mecha is dumb

[Laritaia]

Tbh I'd just leave because mecha is dumb

^

[Purpelia]

Tbh I'd just leave because mecha is dumb

That's how I felt when I first played

Silent Storm

Fuck those game devs. Who ever thought it'd be a good idea to take a beautiful tactical game and add in walking mini-tanks that defy all of those mechanics and turn every battle into panzerfaust spam should be flogged with barb wire chains and given a blood eagle.

[Kassaran]

On the note of body armor, I've nothing more than what anecdotes I've received from Infantrymen who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'd have to say body armor can be quite effective, given the stars and planets are aligned just right.

Anecdote 1: I had a DS who was clearing houses somewhere in Iraq. As he breached a door, he promptly found himself slammed in the chest by an AK round, point-blank. The three other rounds fired went wild, but that first one struck him straight and true and, while yes, he did drop, he was back on his feet in seconds. While his assailant was dropped by the men following him in, he had survived a point-blank round to the chest. Needless to say, he was more than happy to ensure he wore body armor at all times afterwards.

Anecdote 2: An instructor I had at the schoolhouse where I learned my MOS spoke of crazy things he'd seen infantrymen survive. Watching from a point on a vehicle, about several hundred feet away from the incident, he and others watched a dismounted infantryman outside of his Humvee be approached from behind by an insurgent, masquerading as an Iraqi police officer or something. Seven AK rounds to the back of the US Infantryman later, and the insurgent, now having revealed himself was quickly moving past the soldier in an attempt to hit other soldiers recoiling from the attack. The struck infantryman was then seen to rise up onto a knee, pull his Carbine to his shoulder and unloaded on the insurgent, killing him from behind.

The sergeant who told me this story said he only got confirmation of just how many shots had rung out when he managed to meet some of the men assigned to the part of the convoy where the attack had happened. While I find the credibility of the story to be somewhat questionable, I don't doubt that indeed the soldier took several rounds, once again at point-blank range, and managed to recover in enough time to reengage his assailant before anyone else could.

Admittedly, chances are adrenaline already being high in those situations prepared the soldier in the second encounter best for the engagement and likewise gave them an advantage in recovery time. The first story simply was one that signified the morale effect of actually getting shot point-blank. Most soldiers aren't actually worried about getting shot anymore from what I've heard. Most of my sergeants and the specialists whom I've spoken to on the matter all agree they worry much more about IED's and IDF.

EDIT: Mecha? Fuck that shit. Just hit it with a hard enough explosion, a grenade anywhere within 2-4 meters should be enough. If it isn't, upscale your explosions, improve your mine-laying game, or just wait out his exo-suit's battery life. Batteries weigh a lot and unless you're in late-PMT, you shouldn't be having to deal with long engagement times between suits and soldiers.

Additionally, chassis traps. Just aim for joints and other places where armor plating can't entirely protect them, or would likely deform or provide some sort of lip to catch onto for your AT rounds. There really isn't anything that should be special about an attempted Exo-suit super-soldier that makes them any better. I'd say you were fucked if he was using optic-cloaking devices and genetically/biomechanically augmented supers.

[Gallia-]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lt2abfgguhsih ... .png?raw=1

o look a mecha

[Austrasien]

SOCOM get out reeeeeeee

[Gallia-]

all BAP army

infantry have become tanks

the circle is closed

[Austrasien]

why do the bee people even need body armour though?

Surely they just run the numbers.

[Gallia-]

it helps them become more attuned to their exoskeletal ancestors ;-;

becoming closer to nature and all that

[Puzikas]

Alright so
>A FUCKING LEAF
Shot a sandman at 3,450yd/3,154m with a TAC-FIFTEH

Before the turbospergs and autists wake up I'm going to lay out the numbers for that so no one asks me stupid questions because I have 18 unread TGs and I won't be reading them any time soon and I want to keep it that way.

If the leaf used M2 ball (probably not), from the TAC FIFTEH, the bullet would experience:

-352.4 MOA/12731.5in/32338cm drop
-is now traveling 711.4 fps/216.83m/s
-striking with 786.4 ftlb/ 1066.215j force
-10.078 second flight time

The US, CAN, UK, and FR use M1022 Long range ball ammunition for their snipers, which has:

-12027.5in/30550cm/332.9MOA of drop
-730.2ft/s/222.56m/s velocity
-769.4ftlb/1043.16j energy
-9.358 seconds of flight time

But even still, the US and Canada are known to employ 750gr Hornady A-Max and 750gr Lapua turned bullets for their snipers. If we use Hornady, then the bullet has:

-207.9MOA/7511.2in/19078cm bullet drop
-910.2fps/277.4m/s
-1379.4 ft/lb/1869.673 force
-7.824 sec travel time

All of these are lethal and all of these would deliver a wound cavity of comparable size to something like .44 magnum.

[Free-Don]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lt2abfgguhsiha9/Gallan-assembled-kits-cs.png?raw=1

o look a mecha

Can I steal and use to make my own thing?

[Gallia-]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lt2abfgguhsiha9/Gallan-assembled-kits-cs.png?raw=1

o look a mecha

Can I steal

N o .
o
.

make my own thing?

This is fine.

The scale is 1 cm : 1 px.

Here is the dummy sheet:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkxbiyc3rrs8k ... .png?raw=1

[Dostanuot Loj]

Alright so
>A FUCKING LEAF
Shot a sandman at 3,450yd/3,154m with a TAC-FIFTEH

Before the turbospergs and autists wake up I'm going to lay out the numbers for that so no one asks me stupid questions because I have 18 unread TGs and I won't be reading them any time soon and I want to keep it that way.

If the leaf used M2 ball (probably not), from the TAC FIFTEH, the bullet would experience:

-352.4 MOA/12731.5in/32338cm drop
-is now traveling 711.4 fps/216.83m/s
-striking with 786.4 ftlb/ 1066.215j force
-10.078 second flight time

The US, CAN, UK, and FR use M1022 Long range ball ammunition for their snipers, which has:

-12027.5in/30550cm/332.9MOA of drop
-730.2ft/s/222.56m/s velocity
-769.4ftlb/1043.16j energy
-9.358 seconds of flight time

But even still, the US and Canada are known to employ 750gr Hornady A-Max and 750gr Lapua turned bullets for their snipers. If we use Hornady, then the bullet has:

-207.9MOA/7511.2in/19078cm bullet drop
-910.2fps/277.4m/s
-1379.4 ft/lb/1869.673 force
-7.824 sec travel time

All of these are lethal and all of these would deliver a wound cavity of comparable size to something like .44 magnum.

You know you're jelly of our wide open spaces and empty wilderness.

[Free-Don]

Can I steal

N o .
o
.

make my own thing?

This is fine.

The scale is 1 cm : 1 px.

Here is the dummy sheet:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkxbiyc3rrs8k ... .png?raw=1

Thx. m8

[Rhodesialund]

You know you're jelly of our wide open spaces and empty wilderness.

Only if you guys gas Quebec. Those fake-Frenchies are a tumerous cancer upon the Great White North.

[Dostanuot Loj]

You know you're jelly of our wide open spaces and empty wilderness.

Only if you guys gas Quebec. Those fake-Frenchies are a tumerous cancer upon the Great White North.

As an Acadian, I approve of this message.

[Theodosiya]

Anyone remembers the name of the Russian Steel/Ballistic mask helmet?

[The Akasha Colony]

It depends on what you are shot with, how close, and how much
The majority of armor is not rated for several strikes, the closer those strikes the less the armor will protect against
7.62x51mm NATO AP (such as M993/A1 and potentially M80A1) should be sufficient to penetrate what most vests issued today are rated for.
On paper.
In actuality vests protection levels have been steadily improving and some have kind of surpassed the level of their marketing. Companies are legally disallowed from advertising their vests as being something like "NIJ III+" because it is outside the NIJs testing perameters to test for anything between the gap of III and IV, and a vest also may not be rated as "NIJ VI+" because the NIJ does not test anything above the equivalent to .30-06 AP.
It's worth noting that the methods of the NIJs testing is outdated. 7.62x51mm AP loads in use right now penetrate NIV IV vests at distances in excess of what the .30-06 AP loads are defeated at. I do not know if the NIJ is still attempting to correct this in any way.

Vests offer protection against fragmentation. Vests may protect against cavitation, barotrauma and shock. There's evidence to suggest they do, and there's evidence that suggests they hurt it. No one is really sure because there's not been sufficiently BIGWAR to test it.

The weakest spots on a vest are the points of articulations. The vest provides frontal coverage of about 140°, same for the back. The sides are usually poorly protected because the arm is kind of intended to act as a life saving device.
The shoulders were unprotected but then they weren't, but then no one can see and then they weren't again.
Some vests exist that will defeat a hit from a 12.7 cartridge at 100m. You will probably die from sudden energy transfer resulting in a hemopneumothorax or cardiac arrhythmia that results in cardiovascular or neurogenic shock, decompensated shock and death, but you won't have a 12.7mm projectile ripping though you at 2,764 ft/s.

Perhaps a bit late to the party.

But is this the practical death of the ~5 mm G11-class intermediate round?

Based on those links, supposedly the US Army thinks their fancy new AP round can be scaled down to 5.56 mm (although this might not be true and simply a matter of lack of clarity). Bullets have improved, but so has the armor, and I have the same question regarding expected performance as San, although I'm not quite to the point of considering issuing 7.62 mm rifles.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

oh shit

it's a rare biop

[Khornatenreich]

Tbh I'd just leave because mecha is dumb

Shit, you know how to win that particular game.

[Yes Im Biop]

3 Queastions
1: The fuck is a Sperg
2: How would you fight someone in an Exo suit with armor all around that's roughly 2 inches thick
3: What kind of grenade would be sufficient to kill said suit

2. I'd try something like the XM-25 firing HEAT shells. That's my go to weapon in FT against powered armor and the like. It's doubly useful as you can just load regular old HE when fighting light enemies.

And that would work in a closed space too...Well damn...how small can you make reactive armor i wonder

oh shit

it's a rare biop

OH FUCK WHERE