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Fordorsia wrote:I do not understand please be more relatable

Kazarogkai wrote:

Fordorsia wrote:I do not understand please be more relatable

I believe he's referencing the fact that the weapon, If i'am correct, is called a Fagot. This is the thing I think he is talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K111_Fagot

Puzikas wrote:That's a broad question.

Puzikas wrote:
-There was a very prevalent thought that the maximum range of a cartridge was vastly important. Not effectove, but maximum, fired from any angle in ideal conditions in which the termination of the projectiles flight path has reached the end of that which is possible under all physical constraints.
The Vickers had an effective direct fire range of about 1000m for point and about 2200m for area sized targets, but the Vickers and Enfeilds both had MAXIMUM ranges of some 4,800 yards.
Maj. Gen. (Then Colonel IIRC) Hatcher, US Ordinance made the US change its ENTIRE SERVICE CARTRIDGE because he felt the maximum range was shit; this netted us the glorious .30-06 but really drives hone how important that volly fire idea was to many nations.

-Machine Guns were understood by mostly colonial Troops and commanders; the guys who REALLY knew their abilities were all those Infantry NCOs and officers who fought in colonial wars. You know who loved Machine Guns?
Paul Von Lettow-Vorbeck, General of the German African Schutztruppe. He was an enormously effective general for many reasons, and Machine Guns are not cheif among these, but his tactical use of the German MG-08 and captured British Vickers and Lewis guns certainly showcased an understanding of how to truely vital they are to Infantry operations.
In addition, I have more information on the cavalry story.

A Non-Commisioned officer named Edward Spears, of the 11th Hussars, was placed in command of the Machine Gun section. He was told to "put his tired contraptions (the guns) to good use" during exercise. With that goal in mind, he strategically placed his Vickers on a position with excellent view of the Brigade undergoing manuvers, set up Ines of retreat and containment, and fired away for ten minutes.
At the formation.
No one paid him any mind. He, having fired enough ammunition to kill all 2,000 men of the bridage and its horses at least twice over, approached the commander and declared jubilantly, "I say, You are all dead, sir!"

To which the Brigade commander responded:

Brigade General Elan, The embodiment of all things stereotypically European wrote:Never, never have I seen a lack of Cavalry spirit more blatantly displayed. Here is a young Cavalry officer who has the impertinence to say that the Infantry weapons, that he is so inappropriately carting about, has wiped out the first cavalry Brigade, the finest mounted force in Europe. Get off your horse sir, and hand it over and walk back to the barracks, the proper form of locomotion for you.

Because war is hell, but prepping for war is hellish.

Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:Was re-reading those responses from the earlier thread. So if the bayonet's 'reach gap' was seriously considered to be a problem in infantry combat, how quickly did shorter weapons like shovels and fighting knives overtake the bayonet?

Theodosiya wrote:Is it a good idea to use ammo belts for LMG/IAR? (In sense of open, not in mags or canvas, and wrapped around body.)

Theodosiya wrote:Is it a good idea to use ammo belts for LMG/IAR? (In sense of open, not in mags or canvas, and wrapped around body.)

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Time for Art Alphin again?

Theodosiya wrote:Is it a good idea to use ammo belts for LMG/IAR? (In sense of open, not in mags or canvas, and wrapped around body.)

Husseinarti wrote:We were told you can carry belts like that, however you have to kind of be careful with it if you were to drop it into dirt or w/e you can get jams from that.

Gallia- wrote:

Husseinarti wrote:We were told you can carry belts like that, however you have to kind of be careful with it if you were to drop it into dirt or w/e you can get jams from that.

tl;dr dont bayonet assault course like this

oh wait moderns

rip on the battlefields of tomorrow when they confront water cooled machine guns and entrenched light infantry

Gallia- wrote:Not in the slightest unless you're only looking at things superficially.

United Dixieland Territories wrote:Upon further review, I have decided to redo all my classical .30 caliber cartridges. In short summary, I got to fire an incredible antique within recent months and Dear Sweet Merciful Lord I must say that .318 Westley Richards is one of the more beautiful cartridges ever graced upon a deeply unworthy humanity.


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Rhodesialund wrote:Don't you mean the .45-70 Government, the only gub'mint people trust?