Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[The Akasha Colony]

We platoon now.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Is it possible for mechanized and motorized infantry to carry around heavy machine guns and auto grenade launchers, then set them up before battle? And if it's possible, is it a good idea? I'm exploring the possibilities of having Mark 19 crews setting up in ambush and blockade positions.

[Fordorsia]

Is it possible for mechanized and motorized infantry to carry around heavy machine guns and auto grenade launchers, then set them up before battle? And if it's possible, is it a good idea? I'm exploring the possibilities of having Mark 19 crews setting up in ambush and blockade positions.

Unless they're on the outside of the vehicle expect to have to drop one passenger. HMG and AGLs are big

[Norcourt]

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Added Stripper Clip Notch, and K98 style front sights...

For a weapon of that length that is a really shot barrel. For comparison a weapon that in part resembles your own the M1 garand had a total length of 43.5 in but had a barrel that was 24 in. if it had a barrel like yours it would have been only 37.5 in in total. I'm assuming the reason for the length of the weapon is the gas system used?

Most of the specifications are quite similar to a few rifles such as the Gewehr 41, but as I thought that 1900 would be such in an early year, there should be several downsides to the gas system...

[Kazarogkai]

For a weapon of that length that is a really shot barrel. For comparison a weapon that in part resembles your own the M1 garand had a total length of 43.5 in but had a barrel that was 24 in. if it had a barrel like yours it would have been only 37.5 in in total. I'm assuming the reason for the length of the weapon is the gas system used?

Most of the specifications are quite similar to a few rifles such as the Gewehr 41, but as I thought that 1900 would be such in an early year, there should be several downsides to the gas system...

That seems pretty early to have a Semi-Auto rifle as standard issue especially considering the fact that Bolt actions were barely coming into being at the time. You do you though bro.

[Gallia-]

Is it possible for mechanized and motorized infantry to carry around heavy machine guns and auto grenade launchers, then set them up before battle? And if it's possible, is it a good idea? I'm exploring the possibilities of having Mark 19 crews setting up in ambush and blockade positions.

Usually these would be weapons mounted on their carriers in turrets, for obvious reasons.

[Theodosiya]

So, in mechs and motors platoon and company, HMG would be replaced by IFVs? And what level of asset an IFV or APC is?

[Gallia-]

We platoon now.

Their gats are huge and also:

https://www.dropbox.com/home/public/lin ... latoon.png

No M60s. Ergo lose.

e: Radars on tanks and fire protective masks and optical sights for all troopers SUCH DECADENCE. No wonder the Sahara tried to turn itself into a desert to punish this sheer impertinence.

Iron sights and whistling makes men among men. ;-;

e2: Mortarmen need assistants. It should be a 2-man mortar team at least.

[Sediczja]

So, in mechs and motors platoon and company, HMG would be replaced by IFVs?

Most of the time, yeah.

You can still have dismounted weapon teams, but the IFV/APC's armament makes up for any lack thereof in most cases. Platoon level seems a little low for dismounted HMGs either way.

And what level of asset an IFV or APC is?

Not sure what you mean by this. Most of the time they're "part of the squad", I guess.

[Korva]

We platoon now.

You should add some variation, like not everyone wearing eyepro, or some sleeves rolled up, etc.

[Gallia-]

We platoon now.

You should add some variation, like not everyone wearing eyepro, or some sleeves rolled up, etc.

Height.

The poses make my arms feel tired though. If I were able to lineart I'd redo Galla's dummies so they were holding their arms at 45' angles instead of the lazy slob angles they do now.

Their blouses would also be untucked.

Webbing would be redrawn as well to be lighter than the uniform.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

So this would imply physically swapping something out for something else or smth like that or simply pushing a button or pulling a level or something like that on the rifle?

I'm talking about actually having to change a major components of the rifle, like the bolt, barrel, lower/upper receiver.

I don't want to be rude but are you not contradicting yourself here?

Only recently as there been strides in allowing the same rifle, with the same magazine, to use cartridges with significantly different COALs without the change of major systems.

Well for one it's supposed to eliminate rimlock

I know what it is
You know semiautomaticlly rifles have existed and have been reliable with rimmed cartridges, right? It's not like Saiga or Vepr magazines are unreliable, nor SVT or SVD rifles and magazines. There's been ways to remove rimlock for a long time. The biggest issue with rimmed cartridges in magazines is the taper imparted as a result of the rim.

Yes I know about those and e.g. 7.52 rimmed and whatnot but you said that it's like a normal magazine and I pointed out why it's not. Also I do not understand the taper bit.

and then it's supposed to somehow reliably feed differing OAL cartridges by physically feeding the cartridges in the same position I think

Two very different things to do this with a shotgun and a rifle.

Like?

It's not different from anything else really.

Why is there a patent for it then? Obviously with a single stack you can simply both remove rimlock and make it feed from the same position with rim channels/groves like the top down illustration shows (and which I noted) but I had the impression the innovative bit was about making it a double stack/double stack that tapers to single. Also I wasn't sure if the "being able to correctly feed differing COALs" was about feeding from the same position or if it was something else.

Why would it not headspace?

Difference in shape. This is why modern rifles in modern bottle necked cartridges don't like different length cartridges.

Again, I don't quite follow. Don't mistake me for being combative though, I really just want to learn. If you have a barrel that has a chamber which is designed to fit a certain cartridge, if it is bottlenecked it will probably be made to headspace on the shoulder, if it's straightwalled it will probably be made to headspace on the case mouth or possibly the rim or both for a rimmed straightwall cartridge. In any case the headspacing only has to do with the case itself (whether on the shoulder or on the case mouth) so with the same case you should theoretically have identical headspacing even with different length bullets because the bullet length does not impact on the size or shape of the chamber, right? You could theoretically for the sake of the argument have a bullet that runs the entire length of the barrel or is even longer and it would still headspace the same if the case remains the same shape and size, no? In my mind the chamber stops where the case stops and after that you enter the "barrel proper", or am I wrong?

[Norcourt]

Most of the specifications are quite similar to a few rifles such as the Gewehr 41, but as I thought that 1900 would be such in an early year, there should be several downsides to the gas system...

That seems pretty early to have a Semi-Auto rifle as standard issue especially considering the fact that Bolt actions were barely coming into being at the time. You do you though bro.

Tis alt-universe

[Kazarogkai]

Question for your guys related toward LMGs. From my reading around I fell upon the Finnish L-39 and was rather intrigued by it's overall operation. One of the things that really interested me was the bottom ejection for the spent cartridges alongside the top mounted mag. I was just thinking as of now I have for the most part settled on using a local variation of a not!Bren as my main standard LMG and have thought; could something similar be implemented in said weapon? I just thought it would be an interesting feature to have and would add just that bit of eccentricity that I kinda like. So what are your guys thoughts? My main concern is not so much on whether it would be useful but on whether it would be feasible.

[Fordorsia]

Question for your guys related toward LMGs. From my reading around I fell upon the Finnish L-39 and was rather intrigued by it's overall operation. One of the things that really interested me was the bottom ejection for the spent cartridges alongside the top mounted mag. I was just thinking as of now I have for the most part settled on using a local variation of a not!Bren as my main standard LMG and have thought; could something similar be implemented in said weapon? I just thought it would be an interesting feature to have and would add just that bit of eccentricity that I kinda like. So what are your guys thoughts? My main concern is not so much on whether it would be useful but on whether it would be feasible.

You want a Bren that ejects out the bottom? Congratulations you now have a Bren.

[The Akasha Colony]

We platoon now.

Their gats are huge and also:

How so?

Their rifles are shorter than an M4 with an extended stock; they're 780 mm (78 px), or exactly the same length as the actual Steyr ACR on which they're based. I just straightened out the curves because the funky 1980s curved design didn't appeal to me.

https://www.dropbox.com/home/public/lineart/Spergscale/Infantry/airborne-platoon.png

No M60s. Ergo lose.

Link's dead.

e: Radars on tanks and fire protective masks and optical sights for all troopers SUCH DECADENCE. No wonder the Sahara tried to turn itself into a desert to punish this sheer impertinence.

Iron sights and whistling makes men among men. ;-;

Suppressors for every man too. The wealth of Mother Africa is limitless.

e2: Mortarmen need assistants. It should be a 2-man mortar team at least.

I was mostly concerned about having enough mortars to justify having them at all. Would it be feasible to take the ammo bearers from the medium machine gunners to maintain two two-man mortar teams?

And roughly how much ammo would they be expected to carry?

We platoon now.

You should add some variation, like not everyone wearing eyepro, or some sleeves rolled up, etc.

I'll get around to it. One of the actual planned changes was to change up ethnicities, but I have yet to bother finding good skin tone colors for North and Sub-Saharan Africans or Hispanics, etc. The pasty Scandinavian white they are right now should be a minority but those colors are easier to copy over.

[Dostanuot Loj]

One mortar is plenty for a platoon. Unless you count the IJA grenade launchers as mortars that's all anyone ever had.

[Kazarogkai]

Question for your guys related toward LMGs. From my reading around I fell upon the Finnish L-39 and was rather intrigued by it's overall operation. One of the things that really interested me was the bottom ejection for the spent cartridges alongside the top mounted mag. I was just thinking as of now I have for the most part settled on using a local variation of a not!Bren as my main standard LMG and have thought; could something similar be implemented in said weapon? I just thought it would be an interesting feature to have and would add just that bit of eccentricity that I kinda like. So what are your guys thoughts? My main concern is not so much on whether it would be useful but on whether it would be feasible.

You want a Bren that ejects out the bottom? Congratulations you now have a Bren.

It does?

I always assumed it ejected from the side like most guns... this is awkward

[Fordorsia]

git

gud

[Theodosiya]

I've heard that IFV are comp or even battalion level. Is it true? (Also, a minor mistake on my previous post. Should've been fireteam-auto rifle, squad-lmg, platoon gpmg and company hmg)

[Spirit of Hope]

I've heard that IFV are comp or even battalion level. Is it true? (Also, a minor mistake on my previous post. Should've been fireteam-auto rifle, squad-lmg, platoon gpmg and company hmg)

It entirely depends on how your armed forces use and view the IFV. Are they they primarily a fire team for the squad? Are they primarily a transport for the men of the platoon or company? Are they a separate maneuver element? You can basically organize them however you want to, some ways are going to be more efficient than others. Certainly organizing them at the company or battalion level would work.

[New Korongo]

maximy thing

[Norcourt]

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maximy thing

That is truly amazing.

[Aethal]

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maximy thing

Holy hell, that's fuckin' rad.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

I've heard that IFV are comp or even battalion level. Is it true? (Also, a minor mistake on my previous post. Should've been fireteam-auto rifle, squad-lmg, platoon gpmg and company hmg)

company if you want to win wars

battalion if you're supporting the flanks of the guy winning wars