Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Gallia-]

:cuteboy: aesthetic

ye

[Arkandros]

all about that :cuteboy: aesthetic in the infantry

quickest way to get popular around the fob

In Navy parlance: 80 men go down, 40 couples come up.

[Yes Im Biop]

all about that :cuteboy: aesthetic in the infantry

quickest way to get popular around the fob

In Navy parlance: 80 men go down, 40 couples come up.

Finally an armored forces i can get behind

[Arkandros]

In Navy parlance: 80 men go down, 40 couples come up.

Finally an armored forces i can get behind

If only I had a video of that guy in a duct tape slave Leia outfit giving the captain a lapdance.

[Gallia-]

galla celebrates the destruction of dragons by Christ every fall equinox

in galla, the King of Kings annihilated great serpents to the last with his mighty visage and musculature, leaving us with dinosaur bones

[Puzikas]

"traps aren't gay"~ IDT

What if you took all .45 ACP service pistols and re-chambered them for 10mm auto that's loaded to have the same muzzle energy as the former?

10mm is substantially more effective than .45ACP.
Muzzle energy does not equate to performance.
10mm weighs about as much as .45ACP does, certainly not enough to matter since pistols make an insignificant amount of casualties from an already negligible pool of casualties in small arms fire.

[Gallia-]

"traps aren't gay"~ IDT

no one said this :3

trapsu is best gay

[Western Pacific Territories]

"traps aren't gay"~ IDT

no one said this :3

trapsu is best gay

god emperor disagrees

[Gallia-]

Another reason why Putin is a bad influence on young, developing Presidents.

[Rhodesialund]

god emperor disagrees

Wrong

[Purpelia]

Thau shalt not besmirch the name of Trump!

[Fordorsia]

traps is the devil

[Kouralia]

traps > bayonets
traps > elan
traps > combined arms five dimensional trans-networked battlespace
traps < sharpened shovels

[Vassenor]

...I don't know what just happened.

[Celitannia]

Someone dropped a GBU-69 I believe

[Greikas]

WEAPON
Standard infantry rifle for Greikas is called PT-3 and chambered for the copper-jacketed 6.7x53G. This round is a full powered rifle cartridge (not an intermediate cartridge) and has a muzzle velocity of 1,226 metres per second. The design is similar to the TKB-517. When the Greikas Rifle factory started working on the new rifle one of the main requirement was that the reticle throughout which the soldier would look to acquire targets be as close as possible in vertical length to the muzzle exit so that the soldier expose the smallest percentage of his body as possible to incoming enemy fire. This would increase the chances of survival and at the same time due to increasing the chances of survival also extend the amount of time a soldier keeps shooting which in turn would increase the chances of hitting the enemy target. More survivability and higher lethality.
In order to achieve this a small and ingenious roller-locked lever delayed blowback mechanism was invented completely negating the necessity for a gas port, piston head and rod that usually is placed above the rifle barrel thus lengthening the distance between the viewer reticle and muzzle exit.
The rifle was introduced to full service to the nation's ground troops today exactly 70 years ago on the 28th July 1947 and due to its reliability and effectiveness there are no plans to start working on a new rifle to replace.
The rifle comes with a barrel in close-quarters length (14cm), standard medium-range length issued to most troops (44cm) and long-range length (74cm).

The specific cartridge itself is even longer dating back 134 years ago when we were still using our first bolt action rifle PT-1 which was succeeded by our semi-auto rifle PT-2 and finally the current PT-3.

ARMOUR
The frontline battle troops (not medical or any auxiliary troops) of Greikas sacrifice carrying anything non-combat related (such as water, first aid, instruments such as scissors, etc...) in favour of armour, rifle, ammunition, grenades and optical device. This allows for greater weight in armour. The standard troop vest protects the neck, torso and pelvis with added plates that protect the thighs and upper arms.
Our helmet is different from most other armies in that it covers and protects the whole face including the top, sides and rear like a normal helmet.
The plates all have anti-ricochet coating that traps the material of the bullet preventing it from bouncing off as shrapnel and potentially injuring the soldier or any of his comrades. The add-on equipment vest goes on top and includes such thing as pouches and cases specific to each carried item.
Additional supplies such as water, first aid, etc.. are all stored and available from supply trucks that follow the troops behind the front lines every they go.
The standard section (comprised of 9 soldiers including commander) ride in a tracked personnel carrier whose chassis is 130cm in height including floor and top armour. The tracks can be lowered or raised by a hydraulic suspension system. It is always lowered when in combat situations and only raised just high enough and long enough to overcome a particular obstacle.

More later.

[Crookfur]

WEAPON
Standard infantry rifle for Greikas is called PT-3 and chambered for the copper-jacketed 6.7x53G. This round is a full powered rifle cartridge (not an intermediate cartridge) and has a muzzle velocity of 1,226 metres per second. The design is similar to the TKB-517. When the Greikas Rifle factory started working on the new rifle one of the main requirement was that the reticle throughout which the soldier would look to acquire targets be as close as possible in vertical length to the muzzle exit so that the soldier expose the smallest percentage of his body as possible to incoming enemy fire. This would increase the chances of survival and at the same time due to increasing the chances of survival also extend the amount of time a soldier keeps shooting which in turn would increase the chances of hitting the enemy target. More survivability and higher lethality.
In order to achieve this a small and ingenious roller-locked lever delayed blowback mechanism was invented completely negating the necessity for a gas port, piston head and rod that usually is placed above the rifle barrel thus lengthening the distance between the viewer reticle and muzzle exit.
The rifle was introduced to full service to the nation's ground troops today exactly 70 years ago on the 28th July 1947 and due to its reliability and effectiveness there are no plans to start working on a new rifle to replace.
The rifle comes with a barrel in close-quarters length (14cm), standard medium-range length issued to most troops (44cm) and long-range length (74cm).

The specific cartridge itself is even longer dating back 134 years ago when we were still using our first bolt action rifle PT-1 which was succeeded by our semi-auto rifle PT-2 and finally the current PT-3.

ARMOUR
The frontline battle troops (not medical or any auxiliary troops) of Greikas sacrifice carrying anything non-combat related (such as water, first aid, instruments such as scissors, etc...) in favour of armour, rifle, ammunition, grenades and optical device. This allows for greater weight in armour. The standard troop vest protects the neck, torso and pelvis with added plates that protect the thighs and upper arms.
Our helmet is different from most other armies in that it covers and protects the whole face including the top, sides and rear like a normal helmet.
The plates all have anti-ricochet coating that traps the material of the bullet preventing it from bouncing off as shrapnel and potentially injuring the soldier or any of his comrades. The add-on equipment vest goes on top and includes such thing as pouches and cases specific to each carried item.
Additional supplies such as water, first aid, etc.. are all stored and available from supply trucks that follow the troops behind the front lines every they go.
The standard section (comprised of 9 soldiers including commander) ride in a tracked personnel carrier whose chassis is 130cm in height including floor and top armour. The tracks can be lowered or raised by a hydraulic suspension system. It is always lowered when in combat situations and only raised just high enough and long enough to overcome a particular obstacle.

More later.

Can we get you some lotion? You must be positively chafed to bits from all that wanking.

Nope, your round does not have that muzzle velocity (MV), even allowing for a very generous 4kJ of muzzle energy(ME) it only give you a bullet weight in the 80grain region which is stupid, pointless and a total waste of your chosen calibre which really wants something like 140grains.
Really if you want to keep it beliveable 140grain (9g) at 2953fps (900m/s) would just be a very slight wank over the current high end loads for rounds more or less similar to yours, a post ww2 loading would likely be closer to 800-820m/s which you might want to stick to that as it will be much much kinder to your weapons and your soldiers, this is of coruse assuming the 740mm(29"ish) barrel).

The cartridge might have the same name but it will have chnaged hugely over that time considering it has to have started out as a black powder cartridge

Having the slights as close to the bore axis as possible is great for target shooting but pretty nasty on a semi automatic rilfe let alone a fully automatic one. It forces you to use a dropped stock so the troops can actually see down the sights and this means that the bore axis will be over the shooter shooter's shoulder making muzzle rise and recoil control very very difficult. There is a reason most modern rifles ues stocks that keep the bore axis directly inline with the stock and the shooter's soldier it make everything much easier and more comfortable. Using a full head helmet with facial cover just makes all this pointless as the sights will need to be raised to allow your soldiers to see them.

Some details of how a lever delayed blowback action can also be roller locked would be interesting since thats pretty much 2 completely contradictory operating mechanisms. if its locked at all then it isn't any kind of blowback. mof course roller delayed (more technically retarded) blowback is possible but if you have rollers why bother with the lever and vice versa?

[Kouralia]

The frontline battle troops (not medical or any auxiliary troops) of Greikas sacrifice carrying anything non-combat related (such as water, first aid, instruments such as scissors, etc...) in favour of armour, rifle, ammunition, grenades and optical device. ... Additional supplies such as water, first aid, etc.. are all stored and available from supply trucks that follow the troops behind the front lines every they go.

What happens when they get shot? Or when they've spent a lot of time running, climbing and vaulting obstacles, and stabbing enemies with shootybang shortspears, and they are now incredibly thirsty? Or as an extension, what happens when they are not able to be resupplied by a lorry, but they've been working for 9 hours without stopping for food beyond snacks to sustain themselves, and now they would really rather like a meal?

Can we get you some lotion? You must be positively chafed to bits from all that wanking.

There's no lotion left: the traptroopers took it all.

[Korva]

tfw you want a drink of water but you packed an extra dick plate instead of a canteen

at least the water truck is only 5km away and mired in mud

[The Akasha Colony]

The standard section (comprised of 9 soldiers including commander) ride in a tracked personnel carrier whose chassis is 130cm in height including floor and top armour. The tracks can be lowered or raised by a hydraulic suspension system. It is always lowered when in combat situations and only raised just high enough and long enough to overcome a particular obstacle.

130 cm?

I think something might be a bit off.

[Greikas]

The frontline battle troops (not medical or any auxiliary troops) of Greikas sacrifice carrying anything non-combat related (such as water, first aid, instruments such as scissors, etc...) in favour of armour, rifle, ammunition, grenades and optical device. ... Additional supplies such as water, first aid, etc.. are all stored and available from supply trucks that follow the troops behind the front lines every they go.

What happens when they get shot? Or when they've spent a lot of time running, climbing and vaulting obstacles, and stabbing enemies with shootybang shortspears, and they are now incredibly thirsty? Or as an extension, what happens when they are not able to be resupplied by a lorry, but they've been working for 9 hours without stopping for food beyond snacks to sustain themselves, and now they would really rather like a meal?

Can we get you some lotion? You must be positively chafed to bits from all that wanking.

There's no lotion left: the traptroopers took it all.

When they got shot (if they get injured I am assuming) then they are left there (no rescue fits during a live firefight) until the enemy shooting at their location has been taken care of at which point other soldiers will get them to safety and provide medical attention if he is still alive.

When they are thirsty or need any other kind of attention then a support soldier is sent from the trucks in the rear to the frontline to provide said supply.

The lorry doesn't drive to the frontline.

[Greikas]

tfw you want a drink of water but you packed an extra dick plate instead of a canteen

at least the water truck is only 5km away and mired in mud

The truck would never be 5km away. They would be in a safe place within the area of operations. It's all coordinated.
Water is also available inside their personnel carrier which upon delivering the troops would also make its way to a safe place within the area of operations.

[Greikas]

The standard section (comprised of 9 soldiers including commander) ride in a tracked personnel carrier whose chassis is 130cm in height including floor and top armour. The tracks can be lowered or raised by a hydraulic suspension system. It is always lowered when in combat situations and only raised just high enough and long enough to overcome a particular obstacle.

130 cm?

I think something might be a bit off.

No. It's a compact and economical design.

[Austrasien]

Do the soldiers lie down inside?

It is too short even to properly accommodate someone sitting on their ass in full battle gear. Which is a terrible way to sit.

[Greikas]

Do the soldiers lie down inside?

It is too short even to properly accommodate someone sitting on their ass in full battle gear. Which is a terrible way to sit.

The base of the seats are lowered (to safe space).

I did the calculations on my wall with a ruler and there was even some space left between the roof and my head (I accounted for helmet thickness). And I'm not short. I'm 6 feet 1.