Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[United Dixieland Territories]

75×350 mm R is best, any civilized nation would know this.

[Gallia-]

Best GPMG cartridge

Discuss

One that a pointy bullet which goes at a fair clip out a good distance pretty quickly.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

75×350 mm R is best, any civilized nation would know this.

>not 40.6 cm Sprgr L/4.4 Kz (mhb)

[United Dixieland Territories]

75×350 mm R is best, any civilized nation would know this.

>not 40.6 cm Sprgr L/4.4 Kz (mhb)

Sorry sonny, that's hunspeak.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>not 40.6 cm Sprgr L/4.4 Kz (mhb)

Sorry sonny, that's hunspeak.

What do you mean you don't measure distances not in some arbitrary biological length but instead in hectometres?

[Vassenor]

12.7×108mm

40x364mmR

"Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone you might as well kill them a whole lot."

[United Dixieland Territories]

Sorry sonny, that's hunspeak.

What do you mean you don't measure distances not in some arbitrary biological length but instead in hectometres?

I do my measurements in Godfearing American, occasionally called "Moonlander Math" by some of the less than amicable amongst my countrymen.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What do you mean you don't measure distances not in some arbitrary biological length but instead in hectometres?

I do my measurements in Godfearing American, occasionally called "Moonlander Math" by some of the less than amicable amongst my countrymen.

The fabrics of the universe are not calculated by the lengths of arms and feet of an insignificant species of bipedal apes on an insignificant rocky planet. :3

[Puzikas]

NASA used metric maths
Pls stop being wehraboos

[Gallia-]

NASA used metric maths

We all suffered for it.

[United Dixieland Territories]

NASA used metric maths
Pls stop being wehraboos

I hope you aren't calling me a hunlover or krautfanboy.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

NASA used metric maths
Pls stop being wehraboos

I hope you aren't calling me a hunlover or krautfanboy.

Wernher von Braun launched Apollo 11 tbqfh.

[United Dixieland Territories]

I hope you aren't calling me a hunlover or krautfanboy.

Wernher von Braun launched Apollo 11 tbqfh.

Del............ DELETE THIS!

[Taihei Tengoku]

NASA used metric maths
Pls stop being wehraboos

I hope you aren't calling me a hunlover or krautfanboy.

The USA is the ultimate German nation

[Gallia-]

I hope you aren't calling me a hunlover or krautfanboy.

The USA is the ultimate German nation

This is true.

[Puzikas]

I think that's the fastest I have ever seen the implementation of Von Brauns law ever.

[Gallia-]

[Fordorsia]

But I thought all Americans were Irish

Also all the default American culture is most of the bible belt go figure

[Gallia-]

But I thought all Americans were Irish

Also all the default American culture is most of the bible belt go figure

"American" is just neo-Confederates/Dixiecrats.

The map is broadly static for the next decade, too. There's a large influx of British Yankee globalists and Mexicans in the Sunbelt and some of the Dixiecrats have been out populated by the freedom-loving Germans.

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[Gallia-]

OK so since Galla's infantry training is a tad long for wartime, I decided to throw together a Wartime Emergency Schedule (WES) training plan that (ideally) produces competent mechanized infantry and paratroopers in a much faster time than the traditional peacetime training program. I suppose the expectation for this is that any lack in training can be made up by unit drills at a replacement depot before being sent back on the line. So, the Wartime Training Program and Peacetime Training are totally different beasts, at least in terms of how the paperwork is done. The WTP assumes high casualties of friendly units and high operating tempos, which necessitates expedited training time. The PT program assumes that there is time to build up a skeleton cadre force of professional troops and the meat of decently trained reservists.

The WTP assumes that the peacetime forces have been annihilated in combat and the war has not yet been won, so the purpose is to generate units for individual casualty replacement in frontline battalions and rear area units. The WTP requires approximately six months from the start of a war to be implemented, and increases the output of the individual training units two-fold. The Emergency Training Schedule (ETS) can increase the output three-fold over peacetime units, but with a commensurate loss in trained soldier capability.

The WES reduces mechanized and armored infantry training to a total of twelve weeks, and paratrooper training to a total of fourteen weeks, using a highly compressed schedule that incorporates basic military training and advanced individual training. The ETS clips this further into 8 weeks and 12 weeks, respectively, which involves dropping last four weeks of the WES. ETS is designed to increase production of ground units three-fold from peacetime training programs.

Mek/Motskytte Training (Wartime Emergency Schedule): Little classroom training. Training schedule is "standard", which means 16 hours spent awake, although the training schedule is highly accelerated and more time is spent being being active than in a peacetime training environment. Relatively high level of activity means that physical training can be curtailed somewhat, as soldiers become used to the physical exertion.

Week 1: In-processing, medical checkups. Equipment, uniform, and rifle issue. Soldiers practice dry-firing and cleaning the Ak58 rifle. Soldiers learn basic marksmanship positions and practice firing the Ak58 automatic rifle from the standing, crouching, and prone positions, and supported positions thereof. Soldiers learn fireteam battle drills. Gas chamber training. Soldiers begin preliminary qualification with the Ak58.
Week 2: Basic marksmanship qualification training. Soldiers must score 20/40 hits on the 300 yard practice range to qualify. Soldiers shoot 120 rounds total, from each of the three main firing positions. Advanced marksmanship techniques, soldiers learn how to fire at night and in chemical protective equipment. Advanced marksmanship qualification. Soldiers must hit 10/40 targets in both night and chemical environments. Soldiers qualify in point shooting. Hand grenade training. Introduction to infantry platoon battle drills. Soldiers learn land navigation.
Week 3: Hand-to-hand combat training. Soldiers practice military martial arts on dummy targets and each other. Soldiers learn how to use the bayonet. Platoon weapons are introduced. Soldiers learn how to operate the light machine gun Ksp m/60, 40mm m/203, 84mm recoilless rifle, and the 66mm, 84mm, 120mm, and 150mm LAWs. Soldiers familiarize themselves with the firing characteristics of the platoon heavy weapons. Soldiers learn how to conduct indirect fire ("strap shooting") with the 40mm grenade launcher. Soldiers qualify on the Ksp m/60, 40mm m/203, and Ksp m/58 automatic rifle.
Week 4: Soldiers are introduced to the entrenchment tool. Soldiers learn how to dig fighting positions and shell scrapes. Soldiers learn how to protect themselves from artillery and mortar bombs. Soldiers learn how to measure fighting positions using the Kevlar helmet and Ak58 assault rifle. Soldiers learn about the various different forms of fighting positions and how to camouflage them from visual detection using shrubs, trees, and camouflage tarpaulins. Soldiers conduct the foxhole drill, where they sit inside a foxhole while a tank rides over them. Soldiers are introduced to the mechanized infantry combat vehicle at the end of the week.
Week 5: Infantrymen conduct mechanized infantry drills. Simulators are not used unless no mechanized vehicles are available. Troops mounted directly into fighting vehicles and are driven into mock combat. Units conduct section level drills, graduating to platoon level drills, then alternating between section and platoon drills for the rest of the week.
Week 6: Soldiers learn about concertina wire, hand emplaced mines, and defensive fortifications. They practice laying concertina wire and employing mock mines. Soldiers qualify with mines and demolitions equipment. Soldiers learn about fieldcraft for the defensive fortification, for the land mine, and for the mechanized infantry combat vehicle. Soldiers practice these fieldcraft skills.
Week 7: Soldiers learn about the main battle tank, its weaknesses, and how to defend against it. Soldiers conduct a defensive combat exercise. Soldiers put their skills to use in occupying a reverse slope defense against a mechanized force, involving main battle tank attacks and mechanized infantry. Soldiers use all skills they have been taught up to this point. Soldiers are graded and cover any mistakes at the end of the exercise. Soldiers conduct the defensive fighting drill a second time at the end of the week.
Week 8: Final week for ETS. Troops learn about the bangalore torpedo and anti-personnel obstacle breaching system. They are instructed in its use. Soldiers qualify with the ABOPS. Soldiers perform their second major field exercise, the Assault Breaching Course. ABC tests the soldiers ability to employ platoon and section level drills, successfully suppress enemy machine guns and advance to a defended and fortified position, employ the bangalore torpedo or the ABOPS to create an assault lane, and move through the lane to destroy the enemy in a reverse slope attack. Soldiers use knowledge of clearing trenches, of fortifications, of destroying bunkers, firing the 84mm recoilless, and moving with the MICV. Soldiers are graded and mistakes are noted. Soldiers run the drill a second time at the end of the week, with corrections from advisors.
Week 9: Soldiers are introduced to the Tank, Infantry, 120mm Gun, Stridsvagn 122 up close. Soldiers practice combined arms drills incorporating the tank-mechanized infantry company team in basic maneuvers in close terrains (urban/forest environment). Soldiers learn about the weaknesses of the tank and observe how it moves, and learn how to protect it in combat. Soldiers are introduced to urban combat drills.
Week 10: Squad and platoon level drills through shoot houses. Soldiers learn to employ the Applegate point shooting method in close quarters battle, how to clear rooms with fragmentation grenades, how to breach doors with automatic weapons fire, and how to employ the light machine gun Ksp m/60 and recoilless weapons in urban combat. Soldiers are taught how to construct loopholes in reinforced concrete using the machine gun and the Ak58 rifle. Such practices are demonstrated.
Week 11: Soldiers learn about the various types of urban construction methods, how to defeat them, and what weapons are optimal. Soldiers learn how to mousehole through drywall using the Ak58 and Ksp m/60 assault rifle. Mouseholes through concrete and brick walls are created using the 66mm and 84mm HE-LAWs. Soldiers practice breaching houses and doors with explosives, such as the SVEN grenade entry munition and the Composition B explosive charge. Soldiers employ knowledge from the defensive fighting training.
Week 12: Final combat exercise. Troops practice a combined-arms mechanized drill by first assault into a small town, capturing it from the enemy, holding the town from counter-attack, and then counter-attacking the repulsed enemy and destroying his final defensive line. Soldiers practice all skills they have learned and the training lasts 36 hours. After this is completed, the training unit is out-processed over the next few days and sent to the replacement depot.

Parachute Infantry Training (Wartime Emergency Schedule): Little classroom training. Training schedule is "standard", which means 16 hours spent awake, although the training schedule is highly accelerated and more time is spent being being active than in a peacetime training environment. Relatively high level of activity means that physical training can be curtailed somewhat, as soldiers become used to the physical exertion. WES Paratrooper training is conducted at RATC Vallad.

Week 1: In-processing, fitness test. Medical checkup. Issue of equipment and gear. Soldier is issued an Ak58 rifle. Soldier is introduced to field stripping the rifle. Physical training begins on the third day of the week, after medical checkups and issue of equipment.
Week 2: Soldiers practice firing the Ak58 rifle on the rifle range. Soldiers are introduced to the shooting positions (all six) and qualify on the rifle range. Soldiers must achieve a score of 20/40 to qualify. Soldiers are introduced to advanced marksmanship techniques, including point shooting. Soldiers qualify in chemical and night firing. Soldiers go through the Applegate point shooting training house. Soldiers conduct fireteam drills. Soldiers learn land navigation.
Week 3: Soldiers are familiarized with the Grsp m/04, the Ksp m/60, the Ksp m/95, and the various recoilless weapons of the Royal Army. Soldiers practice on these weapons. Soldiers qualify with the Ksp m/60, the Ksp m/95, and 40mm grenade launcher. Hand grenade training. Soldiers are introduced to squad level drills.
Week 4: Soldiers learn military martial arts, using the Ak58 rifle and pugil stick. Soldiers practice on dummies and each other. Soldiers conduct a confidence exercise in the bayonet assault course. Soldiers perform the tank drill and the artillery drill. During the artillery drill, soldiers occupy a pillbox or similar fortification in the Vallad Test Range, while artillery guns fire live rounds on them. Soldiers learn about the effects of artillery on strong overhead cover first hand.
Week 5: Soldiers are introduced to the parachute landing fall. Soldiers practice parachute landing fall. Soldiers continue physical training. Soldiers will learn about the parachute and how to wear the harness and how it functions during fall, as well as how to rapidly detach themselves from it.
Week 6: Soldiers are introduced to the parachute tower and practice landing falls proper. Soldiers perform one tower drop at the end of the week. Soldiers learn about react-to-contact battle drills in PLZs.
Week 7: Jump week, soldiers are loaded into cargo aircraft and conduct three daylight tactical jumps in platoon strength. Penultimate jump is a nighttime jump. Last jump is a mass tactical jump of the entire training battalion with combat weight for a standard light infantry battalion. Approximately 5% of washouts are expected to be generated from injuries during this week.
Week 8: Air assault training. Soldiers learn about helicopters. Soldiers learn to sling load and the hand control signals for controlling sling loads in an HLZ. Soldiers learn about HLZ selection and air assault battle drills. Soldiers learn how to control close air support helicopters and are tested on their ability to know hand signals.
Week 9: Entrenchment training. Soldiers learn how construct various entrenchments and field fortifications, how to disguise them, and how to measure them using the Kevlar helmet and Ak58 rifle. Soldiers practice digging foxholes, shell scrapes, and various defensive fighting positions. Soldiers learn how to employ concertina wire and construct minefields.
Week 10: Demolitions and defensive obstacle training. Soldiers learn about the various forms of defense and how to breach minefields using field expedient methods, breach concertina wire, and use the bangalore torpedo and APOBS line charge. Soldiers qualify with demolitions gear and bangalore torpedoes. Soldiers learn how to defend against the main battle tank, its weaknesses and capabilities, and its vulnerability in close terrains when unsupported.
Week 11: Urban training continues. Soldiers learn how to mousehole through buildings, how to employ the recoilless weapons in buildings, how to clear rooms using fragmentation grenades, and run through a comprehensive kill house where they practice these skills.
Week 12: Final week of ETS training. Battalion boards assault aircraft and attacks an object (a small bridge) by conducting a mass tactical jump, at night, over the object. Soldiers orient themselves using land navigation skills and attack object and its defenders. Soldiers secure the object and dig in to defend against enemy counter-attack, which typically involves an armored unit. Soldiers defeat counter-attack and await arrival of friendly tanks the next afternoon. Friendly "tanks" (in general, these are HMMWVs dressed up as tanks) arrive and soldiers board assault helicopters to conduct a mock air assault into a town. Soldiers seize town in close combat, breaching minefields and concertina wire using bangalore torpedoes or APOBS. Soldiers seize town and destroy or drive defenders from it. Training exercise lasts 72-hours. Final exercise.
Week 13: Combined-arms battle drill training. Soldiers are introduced to the Tank, Infantry, 120mm Gun, Stridsvagn 122 and its capabilities. Soldiers observe actual tanks moving in combat and note their size, power, strength, virility, and masculinity. Soldiers are overawed and learn the weaknesses of the tank in close terrain in between fits of jealousy and regret over job choice. Soldiers learn tank-infantry combined arms drills in both urban and forest terrain.
Week 14: Soldiers learn to rappel from a hovering helicopter. Soldiers learn belay procedures, hook-up methods, and conduct multiple rappels with and without combat equipment. Soldiers conduct a mock assault on an object, typically an apartment complex, and must sweep the building from top to bottom after rappelling in from the rooftop. Soldiers practice urban combat drills to greater extent.
Week 15: Soldiers learn about small unit air defense. Soldiers practice firing on target aircraft such as helicopters, UAS, and fighters. Soldiers continue battle drills through the week.
Week 16: Out-processing. Soldiers receive orders on next deployment to replacement depot.

Replacement depots accept "packages" of line replacements, down the platoon size and up to battalion. The smallest unit that can be used to replace casualties is a platoon package, which comprises a TO&E infantry platoon minus officers. The replacement package company and battalion is equally all-enlisted units intended to be distributed to combat units in the rear area as needed. These packages are generally distributed equitably through the unit as required, allowing the battalion to maintain a level of cohesion despite casualties, as soldiers from a given training platoon will train and fight with the same group.

[NeuPolska]

Should I have a shower battalion as part of my logistics brigade (or shower company as part of logistics battalion)?

That's somewhat of a joke question, but in essence, how do I go about providing the average infantryman with a proper shower? I'd think in peacetime there should be no issues with frequent showers, but in combat, perhaps a shower at least once a week? Would help to get perspective on hygiene from anyone here that has seen combat or been in the military.

I'd think frontline troops would be rather dirty and unshowered, but if they take a bullet or a substantial chunk of shrapnel and get sent away to the closest military hospital, then they get to be around pretty nurses and finally bathe.

[Purpelia]

If there are so many Germans in america how the hell did the country join the wrong side in two world wars? Genuine question here. At the very least I would have expected everyone with a German sounding name to be against the wars.

* Wrong as in "against germany". Just to make that clear. Not a moral judgment but a practical one.

[United Dixieland Territories]

If there are so many Germans in america how the hell did the country join the wrong side in two world wars? Genuine question here. At the very least I would have expected everyone with a German sounding name to be against the wars.

* Wrong as in "against germany". Just to make that clear. Not a moral judgment but a practical one.

I reckon' I could give you an answer, but that answer'd get me banned; but what I will leave you is this remark. "Oy Vey Goyim, it's a shoah!" hopefully it's vague enough to get the point across.

[Purpelia]

If there are so many Germans in america how the hell did the country join the wrong side in two world wars? Genuine question here. At the very least I would have expected everyone with a German sounding name to be against the wars.

* Wrong as in "against germany". Just to make that clear. Not a moral judgment but a practical one.

I reckon' I could give you an answer, but that answer'd get me banned; but what I will leave you is this remark. "Oy Vey Goyim, it's a shoah!" hopefully it's vague enough to get the point across.

What language is that?

[Fordorsia]

If there are so many Germans in america how the hell did the country join the wrong side in two world wars? Genuine question here. At the very least I would have expected everyone with a German sounding name to be against the wars.

* Wrong as in "against germany". Just to make that clear. Not a moral judgment but a practical one.

Because the ancestry of a portion of the country is trumped by threats, attacks and declarations of war. I have very old Scottish ancestry but that doesn't mean I'll go over to their side when they try to gain independence again.