Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Puzikas]

Biological vectors are so dangerous because you typically can't prove that they have been deployed until it's too late.

You don't need bombs and artillery shells to deploy them; you need a few hundred rats with an infected population, a few gallons of solution dumped into a river or water source, a flight of mosquitos or other biting insects.

[Kouralia]

An unregistered crop duster with no flight plan would probs be stalked by army helicopters and shot down if they refuse to land.

They asked most efficient and best, not most likely to succeed

Success is generally a component of being the 'best', or 'most efficient' way of completing a task. Else the task is not completed, and your given method is now the 'worst' and (since it involved the expenditure of resources to zero gain) the 'least efficient.'

[Yes Im Biop]

They asked most efficient and best, not most likely to succeed

Success is generally a component of being the 'best', or 'most efficient' way of completing a task. Else the task is not completed, and your given method is now the 'worst' and (since it involved the expenditure of resources to zero gain) the 'least efficient.'

A blown up crop duster full of germs is now a bomb full of germs, reasonably high up, so i mean it would work anyway as long as the wind is to your back

[Puzikas]

That's not how "germs" work.

[Yes Im Biop]

That's not how "germs" work.

So? Just fuck it and use VX then, sal the land!

[Puzikas]

That's not how VX works either.

[Yes Im Biop]

That's not how VX works either.

Oh well

[Crookfur]

A bomb, stealthily? A sick person, or a crop duster on their food supply

An unregistered crop duster with no flight plan would probs be stalked by army helicopters and shot down if they refuse to land.

A crop duster generally doesn't have to fly a flight plan as they tend to stay in uncontrolled airspace which most countries have in abundance particularly over farm land. Even the full might of the US airforce couldn't successfully enforce a no flight zone over northern ireland last time a president visited.

[Gallia-]

An unregistered crop duster with no flight plan would probs be stalked by army helicopters and shot down if they refuse to land.

A crop duster generally doesn't have to fly a flight plan as they tend to stay in uncontrolled airspace which most countries have in abundance particularly over farm land. Even the full might of the US airforce couldn't successfully enforce a no flight zone over northern ireland last time a president visited.

Well, I mean, if you didn't have to visually identify aircraft you could.

[Kassaran]

A crop duster generally doesn't have to fly a flight plan as they tend to stay in uncontrolled airspace which most countries have in abundance particularly over farm land. Even the full might of the US airforce couldn't successfully enforce a no flight zone over northern ireland last time a president visited.

Well, I mean, if you didn't have to visually identify aircraft you could.

Do I hear AMRAAM?

[Gallia-]

Sparrow is a superior airframe, but essentially.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Semi-rimmed ammunition suffers a kind of similar issue in autoloaders as do rimmed
With that said it's easy to correct but not being dumb as a stone and watching the rims
Traditionally it's performance is similar, if slightly less, to that of 6.5x55 Swedish within 500m.

Probably just fine

I'm thinking a rimless version to be honest.
Just really want to know if keeping the cartridges in service for 100+ years is realistic.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Semi-rimmed ammunition suffers a kind of similar issue in autoloaders as do rimmed
With that said it's easy to correct but not being dumb as a stone and watching the rims
Traditionally it's performance is similar, if slightly less, to that of 6.5x55 Swedish within 500m.

Probably just fine

I'm thinking a rimless version to be honest.
Just really want to know if keeping the cartridges in service for 100+ years is realistic.

[Gallia-]

I have an oversized fish tin of those!

[Purpelia]

What are mounting rails made out of? Is it metal or plastic?

[Kouralia]

What are mounting rails made out of? Is it metal or plastic?

I imagine it can be either.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Metal. Usually steel or aluminum.

[Crookfur]

A crop duster generally doesn't have to fly a flight plan as they tend to stay in uncontrolled airspace which most countries have in abundance particularly over farm land. Even the full might of the US airforce couldn't successfully enforce a no flight zone over northern ireland last time a president visited.

Well, I mean, if you didn't have to visually identify aircraft you could.

Except there were several instances of small GA aircraft that went completely undetected by the USAF, including cross border flights. In each case the RAF and UK ATC saw them and saved the traces to annoy thier American colleagues with later.

But the main point is that flying around following GA behaviour in uncontrolled air space is going avoid interception until you do something silly like enter restricted airspace and even if you do that you'll still have enough time to carry out your intended actions. Although this does assume peace time conditions, in the event of active hostilities anything the military can't trace as thier own is likely going to be dealt with.

[Purpelia]

Metal. Usually steel or aluminum.

Thanks. Its one of those things I really just newer could find out by watching gun videos.

[Gallia-]

Well, I mean, if you didn't have to visually identify aircraft you could.

Except there were several instances of small GA aircraft that went completely undetected by the USAF, including cross border flights. In each case the RAF and UK ATC saw them and saved the traces to annoy thier American colleagues with later.

Air Defense Command or whatever they're calling it today has replaced SAGE with military integration into the ATC network. I have no idea to the extent of integration, but the FAA and USAF operate a few radars together (46 according to Wikipedia), and I'm pretty sure the Air Traffic Control community can be federalized and militarized (thus, forced) under Air Force control for protection of North America.

I mean it's probably hard to keep out some planes if you're not willing to hit them with missiles, but if you're locked in a war and want to shut down airspace (at least in the United States) it isn't hard to coordinate GCIs with civilian ATC. Or just deploy ground control teams to major airports and take over operations from the civilians at gunpoint if they refuse to integrate.

It'd be a bit dramatic for a few silly geese in Cessnas or whatever, though.

The real threat is hang glider commandos...

[Taihei Tengoku]

TT post-basic training for infantry dudes:

All infantrymen are sent to the Combat Development School at CAB Nekka. They are separated into the Mechanized Course and the Primary Light Infantry Class, billeted in adjacent barracks down the street from the artillerymen and tankists. They are primers into the basic tactics and weapons of armored and light (i.e. paratroopers/SNLF/army special forces) infantry. The MC lasts 30 days and the PLIC lasts 50 days. After completion of infantry school mechanized infantrymen are released to the operating forces to serve out the remainder of their initial draft obligation. Light infantrymen report to air assault units or for SNLF/special forces selection. Trainees continue with leadership billets as they did in recruit training.

The Regular Infantry course trains armored infantrymen on the tactics of the nine-man armored infantry squad, as well as the armored personnel carrier. Training schedule:

Days 1-7: Processing, initial fitness test, introduction to battle drills
Days 8-12: Introduction to heavy weapons, personnel carrier
Days 13-24: Battle drills w/ personnel carrier, basic qualification with anti-armor weapons and the MANPADs
Days 25-28: Company maneuver warfare exercise against school OPFOR cadre
Days 29-30: Outprocessing, graduation

The Primary Light Infantry Class trains light infantrymen on the tactics of the fourteen-man light infantry squad, small-unit leadership, and helicopter operations. Training schedule:
Days 1-3: Processing, initial fitness test, 10km march
Days 4-15: Infiltration tactics, crew-served weapons, night fighting
Days 16-19: Field exercise I (infiltration assault), 10km march w/ CSW
Days 20-35: Fieldcraft, patrolling + tracking, dispersed operations
Days 36-42: Field exercise II (reconnaissance), 15km march w/ CSW
Days 43-45: Introduction to the helicopter, fast-rope training
Days 46-48: Field exercise III (air assault), 20km march w/ CSW
Days 49-50: Outprocessing, graduation

[Greater United American Republics]

How would this perform against armored vests combat armor type crap (think FO1,2 & New Vegas, just following real body armor tech from the 60s, vietnam, to the 80s, ect (As-in, view their stuff through the lense of period tech)?

[Husseinarti]

Well considering that for the most part, the ceramics of Fallout is more advanced than what we currently have...

[Yes Im Biop]

How would this perform against armored vests combat armor type crap (think FO1,2 & New Vegas, just following real body armor tech from the 60s, vietnam, to the 80s, ect (As-in, view their stuff through the lense of period tech)?

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Thats basically an APCR round for handguns? Thats pretty awesome, i never thought of that always went right to apds

I donno, You can cut through it with an 308 AP round but not an 5.56mm AP round in New Vegas, so take that as you will, I want to say the 12.7mm pistol round doesent penatrate so

[Greater United American Republics]

Well considering that for the most part, the ceramics of Fallout is more advanced than what we currently have...

For my sake, I'm just using the Fallout crap (again, pre-bethcuckoldshithorseda lore, or at the very least including FNV) as a framework due to the original art-style of the Black Isle & Obsidian series. IRL-period tech and scifi slap-on is expected to a point, I just want a basis in reality for some of this crap. Now, I'm likely to plop this projectile concept into a semi-ridiculous 10mm or .44 cartridge for the sake of that thematic feeling. So, hell, I don't know, think of that almost USCMC-tier crap the soviets were throwing out for their pilots during the 80s. That sort of thing for the "balancing point", just being developed alot more.

As an afterthought to having written that, the steel core could be carbide enriched for some superfluous reason.