Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Laritaia]

i suggest a high neck approach

[Khornatenreich]

Just amputate the whole body at this point, might as well become a block of silicon with a brain in a jar attached to it.

[Pentaga Giudici]

There is talk in the US Military of using a .338 Norma Magnum for moments you need to hump a .50 cal by infantry, but you don't want to hump a .50 cal with your infantry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweig ... achine_Gun

Thoughts? Do you have something like this in your military?

What about replacing the M2 in the CROWS systems or mounted on vehicles, since the round has effects against vehicles but weights a lot less?

[Purpelia]

No.

[Taihei Tengoku]

There is talk in the US Military of using a .338 Norma Magnum for moments you need to hump a .50 cal by infantry, but you don't want to hump a .50 cal with your infantry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweig ... achine_Gun

Thoughts? Do you have something like this in your military?

What about replacing the M2 in the CROWS systems or mounted on vehicles, since the round has effects against vehicles but weights a lot less?

An M82 will do the job better and long range fire from a .30 caliber machine gun is entirely possible. On a vehicle it's entirely useless, since nobody cares how much a machine gun weighs on it.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

There is talk in the US Military of using a .338 Norma Magnum for moments you need to hump a .50 cal by infantry, but you don't want to hump a .50 cal with your infantry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweig ... achine_Gun

Thoughts? Do you have something like this in your military?

What about replacing the M2 in the CROWS systems or mounted on vehicles, since the round has effects against vehicles but weights a lot less?

old news

it's going to be tested for 10 years, get a contract, have that contract cancelled right before it's delivered and then die

just like everything else the army touches

[Free-Don]

There is talk in the US Military of using a .338 Norma Magnum for moments you need to hump a .50 cal by infantry, but you don't want to hump a .50 cal with your infantry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweig ... achine_Gun

Thoughts? Do you have something like this in your military?

What about replacing the M2 in the CROWS systems or mounted on vehicles, since the round has effects against vehicles but weights a lot less?

Already got full power rifles, IARs, LMGs, MMGs, and regular heavy machine guns. We could probably match the effectiveness of the gun with standard rifles and IARs with numerical volume.

[Puzikas]

"we want a medium machine gun"
*armourer points to M240*
"No, a lightweight medium machine gun"
*Armourer points to M60*
"No, we want to shoot to 1700 meters"
*Armourer points to M2*
"No, we want a machine gun, that is medium, but lightweight, but only lightweight when compared to the M2, but can shoot to 1700 meters, but also is smaller than .50 caliber, but not .30 caliber"
"And also we want it in .338 Norma"
*Someone from the back of the room says something about hyperburst*
*Armourer questions his career choice and wonders if drinking bleach is really THAT bad*

[Gallia-]

"we want a medium machine gun"
*armourer points to M240*
"No, a lightweight medium machine gun"
*Armourer points to M60*
"No, we want to shoot to 1700 meters"
*Armourer points to M2*
"No, we want a machine gun, that is medium, but lightweight, but only lightweight when compared to the M2, but can shoot to 1700 meters, but also is smaller than .50 caliber, but not .30 caliber"
"And also we want it in .338 Norma"
*Someone from the back of the room says something about hyperburst*
*Armourer questions his career choice and wonders if drinking bleach is really THAT bad*

:nua corada:

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

wew lad

[Crsca]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

[Greater United American Republics]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

Don't

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

Haha! Not this time, Mr. NSA!

[Crookfur]

Sometimes they still have a gag reflex
Some forms of shock caused by blast, GSW or other trauma common in military settings can render a person to a GCS of 5-6 where a gag reflex might still be present even if the person is for all intents and purposes not A&O.

puz my left knee is garbage sometimes there's a very noticeable and uncomfortable ache throughout the day and sometimes if I run up stairs it will give a bit and there will be a sudden pain in it. No change in the dull ache regardless of movement. Do I need a new robit leg.

I'm not your personal physician you have free healthcare go ask them

And unless it's like 1 or 2 obvious things his GP will just shrug and give him a referral to the physiotherapist team.

[Western Pacific Territories]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

oh hey it's swedecuck

short answer: look it up on Wikipedia you lazy arse oh wait
long answer: read this

TL;DR Use a method of spraying to deploy the agent (i.e. use a industrial insecticide sprayer). You can also try bombs, artillery shells, and mortars - to quote the above link however: "Other types of delivery systems for biological agents have been designed by various countries. These include bombs or bomblets that release the agent by exploding (generally very inefficient delivery systems)". You can also try using land/sea mines. If you're a insurgent group and/or the IRA, pipe bombs are also a method worth considering. You should probably first consider however if you really need to be bringing brucellosis into the field.

Also yay I did something useful.

[Crsca]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

oh hey it's swedecuck

short answer: look it up on Wikipedia you lazy arse oh wait
long answer: read this

TL;DR Use a method of spraying to deploy the agent (i.e. use a industrial insecticide sprayer). You can also try bombs, artillery shells, and mortars - to quote the above link however: "Other types of delivery systems for biological agents have been designed by various countries. These include bombs or bomblets that release the agent by exploding (generally very inefficient delivery systems)". You can also try using land/sea mines. If you're a insurgent group and/or the IRA, pipe bombs are also a method worth considering. You should probably first consider however if you really need to be bringing brucellosis into the field.

Also yay I did something useful.

like that time when you suggested me to produce uranium from vertically farmed bananas

how about flettner rotor bomblets?

[Pentaga Giudici]

"we want a medium machine gun"
*armourer points to M240*
"No, a lightweight medium machine gun"
*Armourer points to M60*
"No, we want to shoot to 1700 meters"
*Armourer points to M2*
"No, we want a machine gun, that is medium, but lightweight, but only lightweight when compared to the M2, but can shoot to 1700 meters, but also is smaller than .50 caliber, but not .30 caliber"
"And also we want it in .338 Norma"
*Someone from the back of the room says something about hyperburst*
*Armourer questions his career choice and wonders if drinking bleach is really THAT bad*

Because I was listening to this huge discussion between ex-airborne and other light infantry, and one of them mentioned having to drag an M2 on a sled because they needed its performance... And they couldn't mount it on a vehicle.

There was talk about how it would shoot straight, be good against light vehicles or very heavy cover, and generally just be a lighter M2.

Another thing that was mentioned is how it sucks to reload the CROWS while under fire, and having a lot more rounds would really be a benefit.

From what I understand, there is a huge margin of energy and mass between 7.62x51mm and .50 cal; just by looking at stats and cartridge size.

[Austrasien]

"we want a medium machine gun"
*armourer points to M240*
"No, a lightweight medium machine gun"
*Armourer points to M60*
"No, we want to shoot to 1700 meters"
*Armourer points to M2*
"No, we want a machine gun, that is medium, but lightweight, but only lightweight when compared to the M2, but can shoot to 1700 meters, but also is smaller than .50 caliber, but not .30 caliber"
"And also we want it in .338 Norma"
*Someone from the back of the room says something about hyperburst*
*Armourer questions his career choice and wonders if drinking bleach is really THAT bad*

338 WOUNDING ROUND UPGUNNED OUTCLOSE ON THE LINEAR BATTLEFIELDS OF YESTERDAY

[Pentaga Giudici]

"we want a medium machine gun"
*armourer points to M240*
"No, a lightweight medium machine gun"
*Armourer points to M60*
"No, we want to shoot to 1700 meters"
*Armourer points to M2*
"No, we want a machine gun, that is medium, but lightweight, but only lightweight when compared to the M2, but can shoot to 1700 meters, but also is smaller than .50 caliber, but not .30 caliber"
"And also we want it in .338 Norma"
*Someone from the back of the room says something about hyperburst*
*Armourer questions his career choice and wonders if drinking bleach is really THAT bad*

338 WOUNDING ROUND UPGUNNED OUTCLOSE ON THE LINEAR BATTLEFIELDS OF YESTERDAY

The level of energy in .338 is so great, it doesn't even need to penetrate to kill you.

It's like a HESH round.

[Dostanuot Loj]

I'm playing with the idea of adopting something like 6.5mm Arisaka to replace a not!8mm Lebel in the early 1900s. And supplement this in the 1920s with a 9.3mm Brenneke type round for medium MGs and vehicle mounted MGs. This would leave me with a conundrum for HMGs but that's another discussion.

My question is, for those who have an informed opinion, if there is no otherwise pressure to adopt a foreign SCHV round like 5.56mm NATO, and 6.5mm Arisaka is otherwise fine for the job required, would it be reasonable to still be using this caliber dichotomy today?

[Puzikas]

Semi-rimmed ammunition suffers a kind of similar issue in autoloaders as do rimmed
With that said it's easy to correct but not being dumb as a stone and watching the rims
Traditionally it's performance is similar, if slightly less, to that of 6.5x55 Swedish within 500m.

Probably just fine

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

You sure you wanna sign that invite for me to utilize thermonuclear weapons and nerve agents en masse?

[Yes Im Biop]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

A bomb, stealthily? A sick person, or a crop duster on their food supply

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What would be the best, and most efficient, way to deliver biological weapons?

A bomb, stealthily? A sick person, or a crop duster on their food supply

An unregistered crop duster with no flight plan would probs be stalked by army helicopters and shot down if they refuse to land.

[Yes Im Biop]

A bomb, stealthily? A sick person, or a crop duster on their food supply

An unregistered crop duster with no flight plan would probs be stalked by army helicopters and shot down if they refuse to land.

They asked most efficient and best, not most likely to succeed