Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

I really have no idea what your point is.

Most of the time, neither do I.

[Laritaia]

A Platoon of Laritaian Wookiees, freshly escaped from the zoo.

Each Infantry battalion will have a platoon of snipers that can be attached to it's individual companies or deployed at the battalion CO's discretion.

[Aqizithiuda]

Rommel wrote in his diary that he was the reincarnation of Alexander. He proved it too.

He was way more like Caesar.

1. It was the ancient world. The "only" merely excludes ships.
2. Alexander was conquering from Greece, a relatively civilized and road ridden area and into Persia, an empire full of roads. I find it hard to buy that a Roman column invading into Gaul or Brattain had an easier time than him.

You realise that that Gail and the British Isles already a pretty decent road network able to a somewhat fragmented and regionally varied one. IIRC a good percentage of Roman roads in Britain were actually built on existing roadways. Yes they improved and repaired the roads but they didn't have to forge new routes or anything. Heck in some cases, particularly on the floating/bog roads they just used them as they were.

Source? Because that sounds like a great read.

[Fordorsia]

On top of the Romans building roads on top of existing ones, the British did the exact same with Roman roads long after they all left. I don't know which ones or how many, but there are a number of ancient roads and highways that are still in use today. Upgraded to modern standards, obviously.

[Puzikas]

Firefighters loads are suspended from belt, neck, and shoulders. O2 tanks are secured on the shoulders and then retained on the waist of the jacket. Halogen bars and axes are suspended from O2 tanks in a lot of departments but usually are just hand tools.
Shoulders are the most logical place to suspend load from on a person, after that it's belt and nipples.
Modern firefighting equipment is very flexible and suspends weight in more places. It's easily the most nimble protective gear around because it needs to be and tons more development went into it.

t. work with a ton of firefighters.

And the results show it. Despite being the most burdened, the firefighter had the fastest time during the heavy gear trials.

I guess the question is: can the military learn anything from the firemen in terms of gear distribution?

Different needs tragically.
Firefighters have an immediate need for basically all their gear.
Soldiers need like 40% of it at any given time but need it at given points at time. A lot of military gear is equalized in distribution but to prevent clutter a lot of it has to just be in a spot that's off the body.

Also Firefighters are probably some of the most physically prepared individuals. I'd like to see the same firefighter in that test do the same in the other gear.

But the real mobility test: After a 30km forced march in under 5 hours, who can still dig a hole to sleep in?

Probably Soldier and Firefighter.

Puz, G11 question.

If Canada had wanted to buy G11 (And had money lol), what could HK have done to make it more likely to sell if it wanted/could sell?

Considering for a puppet.

Probs just gonna go with SA80, but wanted to ask.

Don't tease me like this bby

Shilled and shilled super hard.
Sold production rights to colt Canada (!)
Sold it to the RCMP and Canadian LE too, it seems Canada cares a bit more about its LE than its military since it obviously doesn't need it as much I guess.
I don't know if it could happen though because, you know, America.
Iwanttobeleive

[Fordorsia]

Probably Soldier and Firefighter.

Adorable

[Puzikas]

The 36 year old random dude didn't look too hot at the end of it.

[EsToVnIa]

TIL all of England and Wales isn't all that much even though that's more than half of the British Isles

I guess if you cut off most of the Arabian plateau and extend the Eastern part to the border of China, this covers most of the land Alexander conquered overlaid against N America.
Compared to this.
Your country really isn't that big.

the different projections of the overlays is cringe-worthy

e: also tfw when spree would practically be living in York lul

[Gallia-]

A Platoon of Laritaian Wookiees, freshly escaped from the zoo.

Each Infantry battalion will have a platoon of snipers that can be attached to it's individual companies or deployed at the battalion CO's discretion.

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where is the sniper divisions they live in

[Fordorsia]

The 36 year old random dude didn't look too hot at the end of it.

Didn't know it was referring to those test subjects :<

[Puzikas]

It's always referring to test subjects
This is what scientific inquiry is

[Fordorsia]

ur a scientific inquiry

Since it's not known how fit the guy in the plate is, I can only conclude that the test is flawed. Go back in time and get a knight with equivalent levels of training then I'll be happy : D

[Gallia-]

ur a scientific inquiry

Since it's not known how fit the guy in the plate is, I can only conclude that the test is flawed. Go back in time and get a knight with equivalent levels of training then I'll be happy : D

He'd be stunted so I doubt he would be anything as effective, obviously. Likely the knight overperforms since we understand that "training soldiers from childhood" is kinda dumb now.

I mean they didn't even iodized salt back then.

[EsToVnIa]

Hey Puz

what's the cleanest way to do amputations that would result in the lowest possibility of phantom limbs? Or is phantom limb just such a wide spread phenomena that it's virtually impossible with present technology

[Fordorsia]

ur a scientific inquiry

Since it's not known how fit the guy in the plate is, I can only conclude that the test is flawed. Go back in time and get a knight with equivalent levels of training then I'll be happy : D

He'd be stunted so I doubt he would be anything as effective, obviously. Likely the knight overperforms since we understand that "training soldiers from childhood" is kinda dumb now.

I mean they didn't even iodized salt back then.

Being trained from a young age is the exception, limited to only particularly wealthy families. That's not what I'm referring to though, even though being physically impeded as a result of such a training method is only a thing if you're basically abusing and torturing the person. There's a difference between that and living a very healthy and active lifestyle that focuses on physical fitness, which when it comes to training from a young age, was the norm.

Hey Puz

what's the cleanest way to do amputations that would result in the lowest possibility of phantom limbs? Or is phantom limb just such a wide spread phenomena that it's virtually impossible with present technology

Phantom limbs r 2 spooky 4 me get outta here with that shit

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Hey Puz

what's the cleanest way to do amputations that would result in the lowest possibility of phantom limbs? Or is phantom limb just such a wide spread phenomena that it's virtually impossible with present technology

Traditional amputation with followup low intensity laser treatment of the limb.

Or rather what's left.

[Puzikas]

Hey Puz

what's the cleanest way to do amputations that would result in the lowest possibility of phantom limbs? Or is phantom limb just such a wide spread phenomena that it's virtually impossible with present technology

Its a phenomena that's really just too little understood to stop.
70% of patients experience it at some point in their life and the 30% that don't have no particular overlapping factors that could say "hey this stops it"
The best way to remove any immediate sense of phantom limb is modern amputation methods.
It seems that individuals who have had limbs crushed or numbed or otherwise just simply lost function of the limb slowly or were able to sit with it being damaged for awhile before removal don't have it as severely but that's not always an option.

[EsToVnIa]

Was afraid of that.

I remember reading a paper that talked about using tDCS to help relieve pain but it said that it was only short-term (~90 minutes) and varied from patient to patient

[Puzikas]

Basically yeah.
The treatment has gotten really weird lately. Like "here look at this picture of a hand" weird.
It's of interest to me but on the perferal. I wish I could give you more than just "lol idk" but I really dont have much.

[Fordorsia]

papa puz how hard is it to rip someone's throat out and why is it the best thing to do in a fist fight

[Puzikas]

Super hard
If you do it everyone will run in fear because you are apparently a wolf.

[Fordorsia]

How hard? Elaborate pls.

Even if you don't manage to do much damage, I've always thought that the pain from fingers and their nails being pushed hard into the throat and the sheer amount of panic from the other person could give you the upper hand.

[Laritaia]

A Platoon of Laritaian Wookiees, freshly escaped from the zoo.

Each Infantry battalion will have a platoon of snipers that can be attached to it's individual companies or deployed at the battalion CO's discretion.

([url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/42395079/Franscale/Formations/Laritaian%20Army%20Sniper%20Platoon%28thumbnail%29.png]Image)[/url]

where is the sniper divisions they live in

non existent due to not being soviet russia

[The New Earth Federation]

Question, it's chest armor that I use for my Troopers. The chest plate that is used for the Troopers is made up of a kevlar vest with 1 inch Titanium ceramic alloy plates that are fitted on the outside of the vest. The chest plate cover the chest, groin, and throat. The armor also has a layer of Heat Regulating Gel (HRG) and ballistic absorbing gel. Since I'm a FT nation (braces for incoming fire) I was wonder if this was somewhat realistic (because I'm not one of those people who comes up with the most OP shit possible) in terms of thickness of the plates for the chest piece.

Or what are some suggestions for materials that I could use instead of Titanium ceramic alloy?

[Laritaia]

Question, it's chest armor that I use for my Troopers. The chest plate that is used for the Troopers is made up of a kevlar vest with 1 inch Titanium alloy plates that are fitted on the outside of the vest. The chest plate cover the chest, groin, and throat. The armor also has a layer of Heat Regulating Gel (HRG) and ballistic absorbing gel. Since I'm a FT nation (braces for incoming fire) I was wonder if this was somewhat realistic (because I'm not one of those people who comes up with the most OP shit possible) in terms of thickness of the plates for the chest piece.

a titanium plate an inch thick is going to be really heavy