Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

it's still odd looking

what did you use as a reference if anything

what is the scale?

Thanks?
The HK416 and AK12
5 pixels to the millimetre

[Immoren]

Also, I'm starting to (seriously) work on company and downwards organisation.

I'm pretty dead set on using a 13-man layout: 3 fireteams of 4 with the squad leader just doing leading stuff.

I'm unsure as to what exactly would make a decent composition for it.

The most logical and obvious choice would be just three identical teams consisting of two rifleman, grenadier, and an IAR; however that's boring and doesn't wholly fit with my atompunk motif that I'm starting to apply.

An idea i'm leaning towards is just applying the French 300 m and 600 m, i'm just not sure how effective this would be scaled down to a 12 man level

Squad leader
Designated marksman
Fireteam

Team leader
Machine gunner
Assistant
Recoilless rifleman
Assistant

Fireteam

Team leader
Automatic rifleman
Rifleman
Rifleman
grenadier

*nods*

[Taihei Tengoku]

Also, I'm starting to (seriously) work on company and downwards organisation.

I'm pretty dead set on using a 13-man layout: 3 fireteams of 4 with the squad leader just doing leading stuff.

I'm unsure as to what exactly would make a decent composition for it.

The most logical and obvious choice would be just three identical teams consisting of two rifleman, grenadier, and an IAR; however that's boring and doesn't wholly fit with my atompunk motif that I'm starting to apply.

An idea i'm leaning towards is just applying the French 300 m and 600 m, i'm just not sure how effective this would be scaled down to a 12 man level

There's a reason why the 13-man squad has stuck around for 70+ years

If you want to make it atompunk discard one or two of the steam-age machine guns and put in a rocket, the weapon of the future, and give everyone a brace of ENERGA

[Azurg]

A what now?

[Gallia-]

Also, I'm starting to (seriously) work on company and downwards organisation.

I'm pretty dead set on using a 13-man layout: 3 fireteams of 4 with the squad leader just doing leading stuff.

I'm unsure as to what exactly would make a decent composition for it.

The most logical and obvious choice would be just three identical teams consisting of two rifleman, grenadier, and an IAR; however that's boring and doesn't wholly fit with my atompunk motif that I'm starting to apply.

An idea i'm leaning towards is just applying the French 300 m and 600 m, i'm just not sure how effective this would be scaled down to a 12 man level

two fireteams

- nco
- grenadier
- lsw
- rifleman

and one other

- 84mm
- asst
- m60
- asst

[Ardavia]

still too lazy to give it a proper wood texture

next project will probably be a carbine version, possibly with a knife bayonet instead of the spike

also, since ICly this thing serves as a sniper rifle into the 2010s, should it get new (plastic) furniture in the 80s Y/N

[EsToVnIa]

Also, I'm starting to (seriously) work on company and downwards organisation.

I'm pretty dead set on using a 13-man layout: 3 fireteams of 4 with the squad leader just doing leading stuff.

I'm unsure as to what exactly would make a decent composition for it.

The most logical and obvious choice would be just three identical teams consisting of two rifleman, grenadier, and an IAR; however that's boring and doesn't wholly fit with my atompunk motif that I'm starting to apply.

An idea i'm leaning towards is just applying the French 300 m and 600 m, i'm just not sure how effective this would be scaled down to a 12 man level

two fireteams

- nco
- grenadier
- lsw
- rifleman

and one other

- 84mm
- asst
- m60
- asst

no

eight man squad is bad. eight is worst number

[Taihei Tengoku]

two fireteams

- nco
- grenadier
- lsw
- rifleman

and one other

- 84mm
- asst
- m60
- asst

no

eight man squad is bad. eight is worst number

It's quite clearly 13, there's two fireteams and one weapons team

It's asymmetrical but how else will you get GPMG and proper antitank weapons into the squad

[EsToVnIa]

i legit misread the two fireteams as "there's only two fireteams"

[Gallia-]

if it's mechanized, the riflemen can wear two hats and be m60 team or bayonets

or the m60 team turns into a vehicle team

[Kazarogkai]

Also, I'm starting to (seriously) work on company and downwards organisation.

I'm pretty dead set on using a 13-man layout: 3 fireteams of 4 with the squad leader just doing leading stuff.

I'm unsure as to what exactly would make a decent composition for it.

The most logical and obvious choice would be just three identical teams consisting of two rifleman, grenadier, and an IAR; however that's boring and doesn't wholly fit with my atompunk motif that I'm starting to apply.

An idea i'm leaning towards is just applying the French 300 m and 600 m, i'm just not sure how effective this would be scaled down to a 12 man level

Someone made mention of it before but a 4 teams of 3 are one way you could go about it:

Squad Leader(Rifle)
a IFV Team
- IFV
- Commander(Rifle)
- Loader(Rifle)
- Driver(Rifle)
b Fire Team
- Grenadier(RPG)
- Assistant(Rifle)
- Marksman(Rifle)
c Maneuver Team
- Gunner(LMG)
- Assistant(Rifle)
- Marksman(Rifle)
d Maneuver Team
- Gunner(LMG)
- Assistant(Rifle)
- Marksman(Rifle)

I'm assuming this is for mechanized infantry...

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

i legit misread the two fireteams as "there's only two fireteams"

Don't feel bad, I did as well.

[Puzikas]

A what now?

ENERGA is a rifle grenade.

The best rifle grenade in fact.

[EsToVnIa]

if it's mechanized, the riflemen can wear two hats and be m60 team or bayonets

or the m60 team turns into a vehicle team

the plan was mechanised

i'm not quite sure what the IFV will be yet; i'm leaning towards an elongated BMP-3 with a 35mm or 40mm CTA made to carry 10. This would make platoons only need 3 IFVs

[Militia of the Free]

Also, I'm starting to (seriously) work on company and downwards organisation.

I'm pretty dead set on using a 13-man layout: 3 fireteams of 4 with the squad leader just doing leading stuff.

I'm unsure as to what exactly would make a decent composition for it.

The most logical and obvious choice would be just three identical teams consisting of two rifleman, grenadier, and an IAR; however that's boring and doesn't wholly fit with my atompunk motif that I'm starting to apply.

An idea i'm leaning towards is just applying the French 300 m and 600 m, i'm just not sure how effective this would be scaled down to a 12 man level

Squad leader
Designated marksman
Fireteam

Team leader
Machine gunner
Assistant
Recoilless rifleman
Assistant

Fireteam

Team leader
Automatic rifleman
Rifleman
Rifleman
grenadier

*nods*

Mmmm, I smell Western squad structure!

Why only one marksman when you can have two comrade? One in every fireteam!

[Immoren]

Squad leader
Designated marksman
Fireteam

Team leader
Machine gunner
Assistant
Recoilless rifleman
Assistant

Fireteam

Team leader
Automatic rifleman
Rifleman
Rifleman
grenadier

*nods*

Mmmm, I smell Western squad structure!

Why only one marksman when you can have two comrade? One in every fireteam!

I guess six man demisquads is also an option.

[Militia of the Free]

Mmmm, I smell Western squad structure!

Why only one marksman when you can have two comrade? One in every fireteam!

I guess six man demisquads is also an option.

Or these mobile Russian fireteams which were ad-hoc in the Chechen war.

One rpg man, one machinegunner, one designated marksman and an ammo carrier/regular rifleman.

But then those were mainly for urban ops.

[Husseinarti]

During the Afghan War: Soviet Edition, a rifle platoon that would normally get 1 SVD allocated to it found themselves with upwards of 6+ SVDs.

muh

marksmens

[Puzikas]

Usually replacing one grenadier weirdly

[Husseinarti]

Usually replacing one grenadier weirdly

I'd assume that with GLs only being effective within 300-400 meters and with a long hang-time, something that will put a round on a man-sized target at upwards of 600+ meters with a reasonably trained rifleman in a very short amount of time from muzzle to hitting the target, it was seen as the best option?

[Purpelia]

Asymmetric squads. Y/N?

[Militia of the Free]

Asymmetric squads. Y/N?

As an ad hoc solution? Definitely.

[Gallia-]

Asymmetric squads. Y/N?

is it big enough to have two identical subunits?

then yes

otherwise youre going to be really :90s ftur: and have to use 3-man fireteams or something

[Purpelia]

Asymmetric squads. Y/N?

is it big enough to have two identical subunits?

then yes

otherwise youre going to be really :90s ftur: and have to use 3-man fireteams or something

I am not talking about asymmetric fire teams but squads. As in a platoon has 3 squads and each of the 3 is slightly different.

[EsToVnIa]

then you should have said something like "asymmetric platoons" or something