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Puzikas
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Postby Puzikas » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:38 pm

Inzunza wrote:
Puzikas wrote:Thermoplastics currently present a net increase over existing Kevlar fibers by upwards of 35%. Would you consider the term "Fiber" to be durable? Remember, a lot of these are terms that have been distilled to modern parlance, and as such probably have a preconceived notion. A plastic is just a synthetic material that can be folded into a solid object.

Helmets have the same purpose as they always have. Protect the skull, face, and neck from penetrative and blunt force injury.


I'm secretly a little old man and this youngin' talk is suspect to me. When I hear "fiber" I think of breakfast cereal.

Now, you two (being Puzikas and Austrasien) seem to be up to date with everything and I'm curious as to what you both use for combat helmets? I don't need to concern myself with the design too much but if steel is being phased out, I'm obligated to be technologically up to date (turns out, banning religion is great for science but is bad for me. I wanted to be an underdeveloped and economically defunct communist state, but the issues have been FAR too kind to me). To me as an individual, modern tech may as well be future tech but I'm trying to get better.

That being said, would animals in service of infantry sections, platoons, etc be considered part of the infantry section's, platoon's, etc's kit like bomb sniffing dogs? Or, the question in a shorter format, can a puppy be considered "Infantry Gear"?


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I use the Russian Army's newest series helmet ICly, 6B47V.
IRL my helmet is a 6B27.

Dogs and other working animals are usually a much higher asset. Like Bigade or Division level.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:17 pm

Husseinarti wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Yes.
Canada has a long history of the citizen militiaman.

This has been disappearing though. My grandfather and his peers, every man knew how to use a rifle. Almost every man had military training. For my father and his peers, it was less common, and for my peers, well they don't know the difference between a rifle and a mop handle.

The war of 1812 left a deep impression on Canadian military thought. The idea that the war was won by a militia of normal people backed by a small regular force was strong until the 1940s. And it still kinda flows under the current currents of Canadian military thought.

Edit: Also the history of Canadian equipment procurement is hilarious and filled with terrible stories of the government literally screwing troops in a manner that would be criminal in any other Western country. For example, when we deployed to A-stan the joke was we sent our Seaking helicopters as attack helicopters, because they had been dropping from the sky for years prior due to lack of maintenance funding. They crash, or are forced to make emergency landings, in my hometown so often that nobody batts an eye at it. Last time it happened the crew landed in a Tim Hortons parking lot and went in for a coffee until the maintenance staff came.


canada is just a big cold athens circa 650 BC got it


Pretty much.
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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:59 am

Puzikas wrote:That unironically makes you the third most qualified poster ITT


I'm the second or possibly the first

Puzikas wrote:That reminds me of something

(Image)

Hm


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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:09 pm

Gallia- wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
sounds legit rebuttal


You can't rebut a word salad.
Again, sounds legit.
Not that rebutting your "points" is worth the effort anyway, you're clearly set in your mind that a $20 RC toy is better than a militarized UAS.


Except that I never implied that.

You implied that RC helicopters are some frail children's toys that crumble on themselves the second the wind blows a little harder ("they would break the second you sat on them. useless") and that somehow ruggedizing a mini UAV is some uber-complicated and costly process contributing in no small part to the hefty 200k price tag. To this I replied with a $80 RC helicopter shown on video to be stepped on and actively pushed into the ground only to fly away immediately after.

And my saying that "you could literally fly RC toys with cameras even if you'd break one every time you'd use one and it would still be cheaper to keep replacing them every single time rather than paying up $200k for the uber-tacticool UAV" was obviously not a serious suggestion but simply intended to highlight the sheer ridiculousness and impracticality of a $200k squad-level drone system.

edit:

Again, is it a cool idea with real world military applications? Y E S

Does it make sense to have one per each squad? M A Y B E

Is it worth 200k at the moment? N O

,as observed by the US Army themselves.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:18 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Puzikas wrote:That unironically makes you the third most qualified poster ITT


I'm the second or possibly the first

being fat doesn't count

if anything it works against your credibility
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Postby -AlEmAnNiA- » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:38 pm

i kind of imagine frod being a fat "m'lady *tips fedora*" type anyways

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:31 pm

-Alemannia- wrote:i kind of imagine frod being a fat "m'lady *tips fedora*" type anyways

describes everyone in this thread except for Puz and Galla

puz because he's puz and Galla because I have seen no evidence as of yet that proves that Galla isn't a omnipresent being.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:52 pm

ket is a mushroom

xe tells you right in xer sig

learn to read people
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Postby Austrasien » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:43 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:puz because he's puz and Galla because I have seen no evidence as of yet that proves that Galla isn't a omnipresent being.


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Why do I need to keep repeating this?
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:43 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:puz because he's puz and Galla because I have seen no evidence as of yet that proves that Galla isn't a omnipresent being.


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Why do I need to keep repeating this?

Tanks are by definition bulky

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Postby Gallia- » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:44 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:puz because he's puz and Galla because I have seen no evidence as of yet that proves that Galla isn't a omnipresent being.


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Why do I need to keep repeating this?


Because you're 60 tons, slim?

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:07 am

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:58 am

Austrasien wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:puz because he's puz and Galla because I have seen no evidence as of yet that proves that Galla isn't a omnipresent being.


Image

Why do I need to keep repeating this?


Son, I didn't want to have to say this in public but you've put on some weight in the last few years.
Your mother and I are concerned for your lifestyle.
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Postby Gallia- » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:03 am

Excuse me sir, but I've seen M1-kun do some "hella cardio" (his words) and still deadlift 60 tons.

This isn't the old days where you get by with never skipping leg and only able to hoist a sheet of boiler plate. You gotta be fast and swole.

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:04 am

Gallia- wrote:Excuse me sir, but I've seen M1-kun do some "hella cardio" (his words) and still deadlift 60 tons.

This isn't the old days where you get by with never skipping leg and only able to hoist a sheet of boiler plate. You gotta be fast and swole.


No, all of this "urban" life is putting weight on, and not good weight. What will he do when he has to maneuver against the Russians?

Children these days and their fads.
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Postby Austrasien » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:52 am

I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THIS FROM YOU DAD

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:11 am

Austrasien wrote:I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THIS FROM YOU DAD

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What have they done with my battlecruiser tank?
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:14 pm

Austrasien wrote:I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THIS FROM YOU DAD

(Image)


Still 20 tonnes lighter!
Can you even maneuver?
Is your room even clean yet?
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Postby Laritaia » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:32 pm

He's even started wearing weird clothes
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Postby Cosparia » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:55 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Austrasien wrote:
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Why do I need to keep repeating this?


Son, I didn't want to have to say this in public but you've put on some weight in the last few years.
Your mother and I are concerned for your lifestyle.

I believe the next 10 seconds of this little spat is relevant.
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Postby Husseinarti » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:58 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:fuck all this gay ass drones and armor stuff your men are hungry. the watering truck has been destroyed. You pile out of the top of your midget apc. What are you going to do?

Francia Modular Assault Ration Supplement #1

Aims are easy to consume, out of hand, energy dense foods for use during extended fighting to re energize soldiers.

2x Isotonic Beverage Mix, 400ml, mix in pouch. Resealable. Separate formula closer to hypotonic quality for warm weather environments.
1x Energy bar. Oat & soy bean based, bound with brown rice syrup and emulsifiers. Flavors include oat and nut, white chocolate mac., chocolate chunk, and peanut butter.
1x 1 oz. Tube Energy Gel, Apple, orange, or lemon lime flavor. Fortified with amino acids, caffine,
1x 500ml Packet pureed fruit fortified with maltodextrin.
1x 0.8oz Pack trail mix, containing almonds, walnuts, dried banana coins, cashews, shredded coconut.

e: whoops forgot to specify amount of trail mix


Dnieguan Assault and Manuver ration (Ratnavanna Östurnnavu na Tränchenn, R.O.T.) contains:
10g Glucose tube; Cherry, Lemon, Apple, Grape or Mystery flavor.
500mL Powdered Drink Solution, Mk. II* (330mL solution, 13g/single packet). Comes in a flavor that is "orange".
*1,200mg Vitamin C
*700mg B12
*560mcg Thiamin
*1.5mg Riboflavin
*6mg Calcium Panothenate
*60mg Calcium Lactate
*175mg Magnesium
*35mcg Sodium Selenite
*2mg Manganese Citrate
*300mg Sodium
*120mg electrolyte solution
*100mg Caffeine
*7g sugars

Two Assault Bars, Individual serving, 68 grams. Peanut or blueberry flavor. Contains 3 Egg whites for 12g protein, 28 carbs, 340 kcal, 8g fats.
Single packet, 5 sticks, Caffeine chewing gum. Comes in Clove flavor only. Apple was known to cause sublingual inflammation and create what became known as "Ranger tongue", due to the propensity for Dnieguan assault rangers to chew the gum with unflavoured chewing tobacco for flavor purposes.
Two mystery pills, consumed with each pack.
Pills are actually Phenylpropanolamine, single 50mg capsules, fast release. Appetite suppressant, advantageous as a beta-1 Adrenergic Agonist, resulting in a positive chronotropic effect, positive dromotropic effect, and positive inotropic effect.


Vaajisat troops have a similar issues pack but with MORE SPEED because they're south Africa and who really cares they've got Hella war crimes to commit.


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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:50 pm

In the US and Russian militaries, how are optical gunsights issued? For example, could one just requisition a sight because that was what they wanted?

Also, is there a prevalence of one sight over the rest? I only ask because since getting ArmA 3(the primary reason why none of yall saw me here) I've come to realize that the 4x ACOG sight is actually not that great.
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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:43 pm

Gallia- wrote:holy shit are you real

No, I am a computer program

why? Something I wrote was presumably ridiculous?
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