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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:29 pm

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Actual best rifle.

NeuPolska wrote:Gewehr 98 = Best rifle ever made


That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)

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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:33 pm

Gallia- wrote:(Image)

Actual best rifle.

NeuPolska wrote:Gewehr 98 = Best rifle ever made


That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)



I was going to advocate the HK43, but nevermind.
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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:35 pm

Gallia- wrote:That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)

Exactly! Nobody appreciates functionable, well-made things anymore!

Everything about society went downhill after 1918

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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:36 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
Gallia- wrote:That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)

Exactly! Nobody appreciates functionable, well-made things anymore!

Everything about society went downhill after 1918


1865 you cretin.
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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:39 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
Gallia- wrote:That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)

Exactly! Nobody appreciates functionable, well-made things anymore!

Everything about society went downhill after 1918


Military bolt actions are neither functional nor well-made.

They're mass produced mainstream garbage.

It's like getting worked up over a $70 jacket or something.

At least M16 is light, self-loading, and puts out an order of magnitude greater volume of fire than any bolt-action ever made.
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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:43 pm

United Dixieland Territories wrote:
NeuPolska wrote:Exactly! Nobody appreciates functionable, well-made things anymore!

Everything about society went downhill after 1918


1865 you cretin.

1789, actually ;)

Gallia- wrote:Military bolt actions are neither functional nor well-made.

They're mass produced mainstream garbage.

It's like getting worked up over a $70 jacket or something.

At least M16 is light, self-loading, and puts out an order of magnitude greater volume of fire than any bolt-action ever made.

Ok but at least they had long, thick bayonets

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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:47 pm

NeuPolska wrote:Ok but at least they had long, thick bayonets



What you are alluding to with this comment, is what the Weaboos call "Lewd". That is vaguely disturbing.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:49 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
United Dixieland Territories wrote:
1865 you cretin.

1789, actually ;)

Gallia- wrote:Military bolt actions are neither functional nor well-made.

They're mass produced mainstream garbage.

It's like getting worked up over a $70 jacket or something.

At least M16 is light, self-loading, and puts out an order of magnitude greater volume of fire than any bolt-action ever made.

Ok but at least they had long, thick bayonets

>bayonets
>not the Martini-Henry pigsticker
What are you a Hunnic pleb?

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Postby Rhodesialund » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:50 pm

Gallia- wrote:That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)


Actually, the Mauser M 98 introduced in the Gewehr 98 is still in action. Well, the action to be precise.
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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:52 pm

Rhodesialund wrote:
Gallia- wrote:That's why no one uses it anymore amirite? :^)


Actually, the Mauser M 98 introduced in the Gewehr 98 is still in action. Well, the action to be precise.



Don't disagree with Galla, you'll get sperged on.
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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:53 pm

United Dixieland Territories wrote:What you are alluding to with this comment, is what the Weaboos call "Lewd". That is vaguely disturbing.

Image

Wouldn't you feel safer about having one of these on your rifle, if you ran out of ammo or otherwise had to charge some dude?

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:>bayonets
>not the Martini-Henry pigsticker
What are you a Hunnic pleb?

Well all you can do with that is poke, at least with a sword bayonet you can slash if need be

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Postby Rhodesialund » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:54 pm

United Dixieland Territories wrote:
Rhodesialund wrote:
Actually, the Mauser M 98 introduced in the Gewehr 98 is still in action. Well, the action to be precise.



Don't disagree with Galla, you'll get sperged on.


Gallia is just very Tsundere
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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:55 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
United Dixieland Territories wrote:What you are alluding to with this comment, is what the Weaboos call "Lewd". That is vaguely disturbing.

Image

Wouldn't you feel safer about having one of these on your rifle, if you ran out of ammo or otherwise had to charge some dude?



That's what my Bowie's for, occasionally said bowie may have a bayonet lug. Or it might not, I aint got a clue yet.
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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:58 pm

United Dixieland Territories wrote:That's what my Bowie's for, occasionally said bowie may have a bayonet lug. Or it might not, I aint got a clue yet.

Bowie knives look way thicc to be putting on a rifle though?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:59 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
United Dixieland Territories wrote:What you are alluding to with this comment, is what the Weaboos call "Lewd". That is vaguely disturbing.

Image

Wouldn't you feel safer about having one of these on your rifle, if you ran out of ammo or otherwise had to charge some dude?

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:>bayonets
>not the Martini-Henry pigsticker
What are you a Hunnic pleb?

Well all you can do with that is poke, at least with a sword bayonet you can slash if need be

You mean punching straight through a barbarian, rite?

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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:59 pm

NeuPolska wrote:Ok but at least they had long, thick bayonets


Which rapidly became mass produced garbage to go with the mainstreamed rifles.

If you aren't spending $6,000 on a rifle you're not spending enough.

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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:03 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
United Dixieland Territories wrote:That's what my Bowie's for, occasionally said bowie may have a bayonet lug. Or it might not, I aint got a clue yet.

Bowie knives look way thicc to be putting on a rifle though?



Nah man, if it can be made with a mounting latch, it'll fit. Just don't have a dainty-ass gun.
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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:03 pm

Gallia- wrote:
NeuPolska wrote:Ok but at least they had long, thick bayonets


Which rapidly became mass produced garbage to go with the mainstreamed rifles.

If you aren't spending $6,000 on a rifle you're not spending enough.

Ok but that's the factory's fault, not the rifle's design itself, or the bayonet's.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
NeuPolska wrote:Well all you can do with that is poke, at least with a sword bayonet you can slash if need be

You mean punching straight through a barbarian, rite?

I'd prefer not to get my blade stuck in some dude's chest :p

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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:04 pm

United Dixieland Territories wrote:Nah man, if it can be made with a mounting latch, it'll fit. Just don't have a dainty-ass gun.

Ok fair enough

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Postby United Dixieland Territories » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:10 pm

NeuPolska wrote:Ok but that's the factory's fault, not the rifle's design itself, or the bayonet's.



Listen, my ideal AR is a .450 bushmaster rig because it's ridiculous, don't hate on the Good Boy M16.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:11 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
Which rapidly became mass produced garbage to go with the mainstreamed rifles.

If you aren't spending $6,000 on a rifle you're not spending enough.

Ok but that's the factory's fault, not the rifle's design itself, or the bayonet's.


I'd prefer not to get my blade stuck in some dude's chest :p

What an hunnic pussy :3
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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:20 pm

NeuPolska wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
Which rapidly became mass produced garbage to go with the mainstreamed rifles.

If you aren't spending $6,000 on a rifle you're not spending enough.

Ok but that's the factory's fault,


Not in the slightest. It's entirely by design.

NeuPolska wrote:not the rifle's design itself, or the bayonet's.


If the rifle can't be mass produced, it's a poor infantry rifle. Good infantry rifles are not good rifles, though. They are mediocre rifles. They are made to cheap and rapidly producible, not accurate or particularly well-built. Infantry rifle sights are generally made for producibility rather than accuracy (consider the AK's terrible sights) and the materials chosen are generally poorly finished and designed for rapid production.

Of course, M16 can be produced faster and provide more firepower per unit production time than any bolt-action ever designed. The M1 Garand stocks alone could be produced at a rate of 1 man-minute per stock. I don't know what G98 is, but let's be generous and say it's about half that, which means your rifles are being produced in about half the time.

A Holland & Holland double rifle is a good example of a good rifle. Accurate, strong action, and very well made, with two barrels to boot. These rifles are also $100,000 or more.

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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:21 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What an hunnic pussy :3

I'm sure it'll pay off when you're trying to yank your "bayonet" out of someone's chest and suddenly Hans runs up to you with a sword bayonet and slashes your throat :p

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Postby NeuPolska » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Gallia- wrote:If the rifle can't be mass produced, it's a poor infantry rifle. Good infantry rifles are not good rifles, though. They are mediocre rifles. They are made to cheap and rapidly producible, not accurate or particularly well-built. Infantry rifle sights are generally made for producibility rather than accuracy (consider the AK's terrible sights) and the materials chosen are generally poorly finished and designed for rapid production.

Of course, M16 can be produced faster and provide more firepower per unit production time than any bolt-action ever designed. The M1 Garand stocks alone could be produced at a rate of 1 man-minute per stock. I don't know what G98 is, but let's be generous and say it's about half that, which means your rifles are being produced in about half the time.

A Holland & Holland double rifle is a good example of a good rifle. Accurate, strong action, and very well made, with two barrels to boot. These rifles are also $100,000 or more.

So what even is the point?

Might as well just start firing in massed volleys

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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Gayla is living in 1985 but these guys are already in 1916

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