Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Crookfur]

(Image) Made a gun for use in early cold war period equivalent, chambered in .276 Legionary (7x51mm of orphanmaking goodness)

No steal-y please. Stealing is for dirty kommunists, and kommunism is bad m'kay

But what if you steal to makes the sales? That is capitalism and thus good

Really nice I likes.


Blancpayne: no need for Photoshop, gimp will do most that sort of stuff for free (if in a slightly more convoluted manner at times) and to be honest I'm not sure how good Photoshop is for actually drawing stuff rather than editing images.

It's also not just about skills, most those you can learn, its about having a clear vision in your mind and taking the time to lay it out, be it by doodling it on paper first or using bits from other images to inspire you. Everyone can draw and art it just takes time.

[Blancpayne]

How do I gimp?

[Laritaia]

How do I gimp?

there are like a million and one tutorials online

[Rhodesialund]

How do I gimp?

Go to your local BDSM shop, buy a latex or leather full body suit. Remember, get something that fits. Get a couple of buckles that are placed strategically all over the suit that allows optimal bondage. Don't forget a mask that covers the entire face except for the eyes, nostrils, and mouth. You could leave the ears open if you are into the ear fetish or not. That about sums it up.

The only thing left to go to is a Munch and your nightly BDSM club. Happy Travels!

[Theodosiya]

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*A mechanized division, filled with 13 man squads, 30mm-Spike ER armed Marder 1A5, Marder "Light Tank/FSV, Leopard 2A7, Pzh 2000, Apaches and Black Hawks rolls into Rhodesialund

[Rhodesialund]

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*A mechanized division, filled with 13 man squads, 30mm-Spike ER armed Marder 1A5, Marder "Light Tank/FSV, Leopard 2A7, Pzh 2000, Apaches and Black Hawks rolls into Rhodesialund

Wew, they must be submersibles since I'm an island nation. Remember, there are sharks in the ocean and some are larger than you expect.

[Blancpayne]

NVM, I can't use gimp in Android.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

How do I gimp?

You gotta get a leather mask and some chains.

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Guys help me, I think I'm diseased. Germanistanni guns are looking more and more appetizing by the day. The MG4 is looking breddy tasty right about now.

[Gallia-]

Grrmonistanee

Ostustanee o:

[Allanea]

I have a question!

And the question is about SWORDS!

So, everyone knows that there have been some epic swords made in the pre-modern era. Some of those swords survive and we know that they have had some pretty epic metalworking involved.

That's great!

But what about the average sword of the era? The Roman Gladius, the swords of the landsknechts, etc? [Yes, I understand these are separated by centuries of metalworking advancement].

What were they like in terms of quality? How do they compare to the copies of these swords made today?

How much would it cost to mass-produce, today, a sword comparable to a Roman gladius in quality?
What about a 14th-century longsword? An 11th century arming sword?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

http://av.zrc-sazu.si/pdf/55/AV55_Kmetic_et_al.pdf

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Guys help me, I think I'm diseased. Germanistanni guns are looking more and more appetizing by the day. The MG4 is looking breddy tasty right about now.

So, Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal Minimi with H&K trademarks stamped all over it?

[Allanea]

http://av.zrc-sazu.si/pdf/55/AV55_Kmetic_et_al.pdf

So in plain English, Gladii were pretty crap?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

http://av.zrc-sazu.si/pdf/55/AV55_Kmetic_et_al.pdf

So in plain English, Gladii were pretty crap?

Not necessarily. A decent iron sword is margionally better than a bronze sword. More importantly iron is cheap as dirt. Work hardened bloom iron is fine for equipping the unwashed hordes of Germanic auxiliaries or the proud legiones.

[Crookfur]

I have a question!

And the question is about SWORDS!

So, everyone knows that there have been some epic swords made in the pre-modern era. Some of those swords survive and we know that they have had some pretty epic metalworking involved.

That's great!

But what about the average sword of the era? The Roman Gladius, the swords of the landsknechts, etc? [Yes, I understand these are separated by centuries of metalworking advancement].

What were they like in terms of quality? How do they compare to the copies of these swords made today?

How much would it cost to mass-produce, today, a sword comparable to a Roman gladius in quality?
What about a 14th-century longsword? An 11th century arming sword?

as for cost of modern mass production a quick look at modern machetes and other big brush knives would point to a retail price of about $30-40 for a gladius, about $60-70 for an arming sword and maybe about $100-120 for a long sword.

This is assuming you have invested in the production methods and are going for very large volumes to make stuff truely cheap. Other wise you are looking at Cold steel level prices ie $300-500 retail

[Purpelia]

What were they like in terms of quality? How do they compare to the copies of these swords made today?

Modern steel is universally superior to anything produced before the early 20th century on account of the fact that it is consistent. And this consistency is what allows us to fine tune the exact properties of steel. So in terms of the replicas any functional sword replica that is not just a decorative stainless steel wall hanger decoration is going to be just plain superior.

How much would it cost to mass-produce, today, a sword comparable to a Roman gladius in quality?

Probably a lot more than just making it out of cheap tool steel using grinding machines. You would actually have to invest quite a lot of resources and labor into doing things wrong in order to get the sort of inconsistent steel quality and generally crappy* workmanship.


* Crappy compared to modern factory made stuff. Even superb things from back in the day < what you can do in a factory with little effort today thanks to modern industrial methods.

[Crookfur]

NVM, I can't use gimp in Android.

Then there isn't much i can suggest. I already hate arting and image editing using a touchpad on the work laptop, so i can't imagine how horrible i would find trying to do anything on a tablet or phone.

For what its worth i have heard that Autodesk sketchbook is a pretty decent android drawing/painting app.

[Free-Don]

30mm mortar with a the possibility of using smart laser guided shaped charges. Allowing a range of 1500+ meters at around 5kg. with baseplate, monopod, and bubble sight included. Acts as a squad support weapon alongside rifle grenades and dedicated grenade launchers.

The same mortar shell would be used in vehicle mounted mortar-gun systems and is being used in a military force that is still largely horse based and lacks production for much more complicated grenade launchers.

Debating on increasing caliber to 40mm (more weight).

Debating on high-low propulsion (adds cost and maintenance issues?).

Debating on using more rifle grenades (lighter than a metal tube and nail).

[Laritaia]

would be less useful then a 40mm UGL

[Crookfur]

30mm mortar with a the possibility of using smart laser guided shaped charges. Allowing a range of 1500+ meters at around 5kg. with baseplate, monopod, and bubble sight included. Acts as a squad support weapon alongside rifle grenades and dedicated grenade launchers.

The same mortar shell would be used in vehicle mounted mortar-gun systems and is being used in a military force that is still largely horse based and lacks production for much more complicated grenade launchers.

Debating on increasing caliber to 40mm (more weight).

Debating on high-low propulsion (adds cost and maintenance issues?).

Debating on using more rifle grenades (lighter than a metal tube and nail).

Consiering for more or less the same weight you can get a 60mm commando mortar with a more useful payload and similar range I would say its a bit pointless.

30mm HEAT is generally pretty crap giving you at best 1.5-2" penetration and its unlikly a laser guided round of that size would have any useful payload

[Fordorsia]

I have a question!

And the question is about SWORDS!

So, everyone knows that there have been some epic swords made in the pre-modern era. Some of those swords survive and we know that they have had some pretty epic metalworking involved.

That's great!

But what about the average sword of the era? The Roman Gladius, the swords of the landsknechts, etc? [Yes, I understand these are separated by centuries of metalworking advancement].

What were they like in terms of quality? How do they compare to the copies of these swords made today?

How much would it cost to mass-produce, today, a sword comparable to a Roman gladius in quality?
What about a 14th-century longsword? An 11th century arming sword?

Summing up all the replies, pre-modern swords are by no means bad in general. Yes you could get very cheaply and poorly made swords, but in general they were perfectly fine. It's just that modern steel is basically witchcraft maybe not to middle ages plebs, but certainly to your average Roman blacksmith pleb.

To put it in perspective, pick a sharp knife out of a drawer or buy a relatively inexpensive carbon steel sword with a well made hilt. Congratulations you're the proud owner of something no one before the late 19th century could have ever owned.

Don't even get me started on high end stuff like Albion or even higher end custom swords. Swords meant to be high end before the modern period, you know, worse than modern swords, were monstrously expensive. Whereas an Albion will set you back up to a grand and a very detailed super good custom piece could be a few thousand, which is pretty cheap in comparison.

Swords make my pussy hard

[Austrasien]

30mm mortar with a the possibility of using smart laser guided shaped charges. Allowing a range of 1500+ meters at around 5kg. with baseplate, monopod, and bubble sight included. Acts as a squad support weapon alongside rifle grenades and dedicated grenade launchers.

The same mortar shell would be used in vehicle mounted mortar-gun systems and is being used in a military force that is still largely horse based and lacks production for much more complicated grenade launchers.

Horse based and cannot produce a grenade launcher but produces laser guided grenades?

I don't think you appreciate how little sense that makes. Actual third world countries can produce grenade launchers. The closest thing to a 40mm laser guide projectile is a US military prototype that is 40mm.

[Fordorsia]

sssswoooordz



someone please buy me a lifetime license of flash to I can go back to my roots and bring us back to the light

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

great contribution, lanos

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

sssswoooordz

(Image)

someone please buy me a lifetime license of flash to I can go back to my roots and bring us back to the light

you don't even do swept hilts tho