Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Gallia-]

However, he could do a sensible thing and use a machine gun that isn't made by an Old World traitor aka Browning.

[Laritaia]

However, he could do a sensible thing and use a machine gun that isn't made by an Old World traitor aka Browning.

that's crazy talk

[Gallia-]

TBF calling M73 a "Browning" is a bit disingenuous. More or less the only thing it shares is the diameter of the bullet and a superficial shape.

[Our Ladia]

is a semi-auto, 50 Cal, anti tank rifle, a plausible thing for use in the 1920s\30s?

(Image)

...btw that bipod is over folding

Sadly, no. From what I can find, no anti tank rifle of that period was semi automatic. Nor was anything else besides AT guns. However, the Finns had the Lahti L-39 in limited use during late 1939. These were semi automatic 20mm AT rifles that could also be fired in full auto. Of course, it was heavy at 106 lb. So at the earliest you could use your AT rifle is 1939. Later in 1941 the Soviets used the PTDR 41 14 mm semi automatic AT rifle. This was much lighter at 46 lb due to the smaller caliber.

So that will give it a nice lifespan of 3 years in the AT role. But even after that it could still be used for other, lightly skinned and more numerous AFVs on the front. It will also be useful in the anti bunker role.

[Laritaia]

is a semi-auto, 50 Cal, anti tank rifle, a plausible thing for use in the 1920s\30s?

(Image)

...btw that bipod is over folding

Sadly, no. From what I can find, no anti tank rifle of that period was semi automatic. Nor was anything else besides AT guns. However, the Finns had the Lahti L-39 in limited use during late 1939. These were semi automatic 20mm AT rifles that could also be fired in full auto. Of course, it was heavy at 106 lb. So at the earliest you could use your AT rifle is 1939. Later in 1941 the Soviets used the PTDR 41 14 mm semi automatic AT rifle. This was much lighter at 46 lb due to the smaller caliber.

So that will give it a nice lifespan of 3 years in the AT role. But even after that it could still be used for other, lightly skinned and more numerous AFVs on the front. It will also be useful in the anti bunker role.

[Gallia-]

SPURS AND STETSONS COMING THROUGH

[Our Ladia]

Sadly, no. From what I can find, no anti tank rifle of that period was semi automatic. Nor was anything else besides AT guns. However, the Finns had the Lahti L-39 in limited use during late 1939. These were semi automatic 20mm AT rifles that could also be fired in full auto. Of course, it was heavy at 106 lb. So at the earliest you could use your AT rifle is 1939. Later in 1941 the Soviets used the PTDR 41 14 mm semi automatic AT rifle. This was much lighter at 46 lb due to the smaller caliber.

So that will give it a nice lifespan of 3 years in the AT role. But even after that it could still be used for other, lightly skinned and more numerous AFVs on the front. It will also be useful in the anti bunker role.

Is that beauty a .50 call semi automatic Brownie AT rifle made in the early 1930s?

[Gallia-]

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/browni ... on-weapon/

[Our Ladia]

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/browning-m2-anti-mechanization-weapon/

I do love it when I'm wrong in these types of things.

[Laritaia]

the problem was that it was worse in every conceivable way then a regular M2 machinegun

[Gallia-]

It would have been fine for carriage by akhio.

[Dostanuot Loj]

The M2 was literally designed as a .50 Cal anti tank weapon for infantry. They just decided semi auto was pointless and artificially limited the capability of the weapon.

[Norcourt]

is a semi-auto, 50 Cal, anti tank rifle, a plausible thing for use in the 1920s\30s?

(Image)

...btw that bipod is over folding

Sadly, no. From what I can find, no anti tank rifle of that period was semi automatic. Nor was anything else besides AT guns. However, the Finns had the Lahti L-39 in limited use during late 1939. These were semi automatic 20mm AT rifles that could also be fired in full auto. Of course, it was heavy at 106 lb. So at the earliest you could use your AT rifle is 1939. Later in 1941 the Soviets used the PTDR 41 14 mm semi automatic AT rifle. This was much lighter at 46 lb due to the smaller caliber.

So that will give it a nice lifespan of 3 years in the AT role. But even after that it could still be used for other, lightly skinned and more numerous AFVs on the front. It will also be useful in the anti bunker role.

Ahhh, then I shall make it initially used as an AT Rifle, but then later use it as an Anti Material Rifle!

[Gallia-]

There's no difference.

AT rifles stopped being useful after tanks stopped being made of boiler plate.

[Kazarogkai]

is a semi-auto, 50 Cal, anti tank rifle, a plausible thing for use in the 1920s\30s?

(Image)

...btw that bipod is over folding

The fins Lahti L-39 is quite literally a .79 cal(20mm) semi-auto AT rifle. So what i'm saying is es you can certainly come up with something that is in effect a smaller version of said weapon in the 30s i'm pretty sure. Suggestion, place the mag on the top. Allows you to have a higher capacity mag without interfering with your ability to go prone so much.

[Norcourt]

is a semi-auto, 50 Cal, anti tank rifle, a plausible thing for use in the 1920s\30s?

(Image)

...btw that bipod is over folding

The fins Lahti L-39 is quite literally a .79 cal(20mm) semi-auto AT rifle. So what i'm saying is es you can certainly come up with something that is in effect a smaller version of said weapon in the 30s i'm pretty sure. Suggestion, place the mag on the top. Allows you to have a higher capacity mag without interfering with your ability to go prone so much.

I suppose 5 Rounds is good enough against light tanks, and I fear it would interrupt with the charging handle (It looks pretty cool on top, but I see your point).

[Purpelia]

The fins Lahti L-39 is quite literally a .79 cal(20mm) semi-auto AT rifle. So what i'm saying is es you can certainly come up with something that is in effect a smaller version of said weapon in the 30s i'm pretty sure. Suggestion, place the mag on the top. Allows you to have a higher capacity mag without interfering with your ability to go prone so much.

I suppose 5 Rounds is good enough against light tanks, and I fear it would interrupt with the charging handle (It looks pretty cool on top, but I see your point).

Perfectly plausible. Really, just look at this page and read all the articles and you will understand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-tank_rifles

[Norcourt]

I suppose 5 Rounds is good enough against light tanks, and I fear it would interrupt with the charging handle (It looks pretty cool on top, but I see your point).

Perfectly plausible. Really, just look at this page and read all the articles and you will understand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-tank_rifles

I've come to understand that many AT Rifles were single shot anyways. So I have come to understand that 5 Rounds is enough (especially when operated in a crew, where swift reloading is possible)

[Norcourt]

GUN JESUS HAS JUST MADE A VIDEO ON THE AMERICAN 180!

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

When dragoons dismounted to fight on foot, what did they do to their horses? Did dragoons carry a spike to tie their horse to, or did some dragoons stay with the horses to make sure they didn't get away?

[Fordorsia]

When dragoons dismounted to fight on foot, what did they do to their horses? Did dragoons carry a spike to tie their horse to, or did some dragoons stay with the horses to make sure they didn't get away?

Ideally in a pickle they'd be trained to stay put by themselves

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Anyone have sauce on the general performance of 5.45x18mm? Does it make for a semi-decent round at close to very close ranges?

I pretty much want to have a similar round based on .380 ACP (which has a 17mm long case and has a bigger base diameter I think) which would neck down to like 5.6-5.7mm diameter (the 5.45x18mm actually has a 5.63mm diameter bullet). This would be for a pistol based on the RL blowback Seecamp pocket pistols because they seem to make the smallest .380 around. You could switch between the two cartridges with a barrel swap. Is it practical to have both cartridges engineered to generate the same blowback so they cycle correctly in the gun?

It has practically a 2" barrel. Obviously the purpose would be as a "deep cover" / backup gun for police and other sneaky special applications.

My main 7.62x25/9x25 pistol also has a subcompact and slimline subcompact variants, so the above wouldn't be the sole option for the roles that I've stated.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

When dragoons dismounted to fight on foot, what did they do to their horses? Did dragoons carry a spike to tie their horse to, or did some dragoons stay with the horses to make sure they didn't get away?

Ideally in a pickle they'd be trained to stay put by themselves

Horses don't do that. At least not the ones I've worked with, and I ride with some seriously good equestrians. Or if they can be trained to stand still when left alone, I've yet to meet one that can do that.

[Fordorsia]

Ideally in a pickle they'd be trained to stay put by themselves

Horses don't do that. At least not the ones I've worked with, and I ride with some seriously good equestrians. Or if they can be trained to stand still when left alone, I've yet to meet one that can do that.

Horses I've ridden would just stand around and wait for you to come back if you needed to go do something.

But if the dragoons were dismounting in their own time, I imagine they'd have hooks for putting in the ground or something like that.

[Norcourt]

Did a thing. Tis supposed to be a belt fed, Light Machine Gun thing. Dunno what else to call it.

EDIT: Forgot to put panel to lift up upper reciever, *facepalm*

EDIT 2: Fixed