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Postby Republica Federal de Catalunya » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:04 am

The "most infamous" aircraft ever used by the RoCAF is the F104G starfighter. During it's 20 years of service, 1963-1983, the aircraft was plagued by a poor safety record that made mishaps habitual, added to the Lockheed bribery scandal and the Aces" mutiny in which many WWII veterans like Top Ace Josep Falcó (then 5th wing commander) resigned from the air force in protest to the F104 purchase.

It received many pejorative nicknames such: "escombra de la bruixa" (witch broom), Penis volador (flying penis) or Fabricant de vidues (widowmaker).

138 Starfighters were bought by the Air Force, 25 of those via the Mutual Assistance Program. Most F104G 101 were locally assembled by SACSA and other 7 by Fokker but the 12 TF-104G and the 18 RF-104G were assembled by Lockheed. They reemplaced The F86F Sabres and the F86K Sabre dog.

They were used by the 1 Ala de Caça (1st Fighter wing): sqons 111, 120 i 138. and the 10 ala tàctica (5th tactical wing) Sqons: 33, 35 and 100 reece and an OCU. In total 38 starfighters were lost during it's RoCAF service (27 Fs, 8 Rs i 3Ts). from 1970 with the inception of the F5 Freedom fighter and the mirage 5 the 5th tactical wing became the 5a Ala de caça 5th Fighter wing and accidents dropped. the fleet was grounded several times due that many aircrafts had their wings removed and the air force even leased 24 USAFs F4Es used by the 111th squadron from 1973-1983.

The air force in the early 70s looked for a successor and took part in the EPAF consortium with other NATO nations. The selected aircraft was the F16s that entered in service in 1983.

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Postby Barfleur » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:48 pm

I’m thinking of making myself an air superiority fighter and a light, multirole fighter, possibly based off the F-5. All I need is Adobe Fireworks...
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:51 pm

Barfleur wrote:I’m thinking of making myself an air superiority fighter and a light, multirole fighter, possibly based off the F-5. All I need is Adobe Fireworks...

>F-5
>air superiority
Unless you mean F/A-18F Advanced Super Hornet (which is rlly a Theseus' F-5) then no.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:11 pm

Barfleur wrote:I’m thinking of making myself an air superiority fighter and a light, multirole fighter, possibly based off the F-5. All I need is Adobe Fireworks...

For light and multi-role you could do the F/A-18 or the F-16, maybe several other types. Maybe the Gripen, the Mirage 2000, or the Typhoon. For air superiority, possibly F-14, F-15, F-22, Panavia Tornado, or any of the hundred other fighter aircraft.

However, since you appear to want to draw one yourself I would suggest that you look at images of various air superiority fighters and multi-role fighters and use those as your baseline.
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Postby Barfleur » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:58 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Barfleur wrote:I’m thinking of making myself an air superiority fighter and a light, multirole fighter, possibly based off the F-5. All I need is Adobe Fireworks...

>F-5
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Unless you mean F/A-18F Advanced Super Hornet (which is rlly a Theseus' F-5) then no.


I meant the mulirole fighter would be based off the F-5, not the air superiority fighter.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:48 am

F-5s are pretty cool.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:28 pm

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Postby New Vihenia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:10 pm

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Postby Barfleur » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:44 pm

I’ve decided my air superiority fighter (name and designation TBD) will be in service with my Air Force, whereas the multirole fighter (also TBD) will be carrier-capable and be in service with the Naval Air Service. And then there are the helicopters...
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Postby Azelmurta » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:58 pm

Curious question, up to what sea state can a modern ASW helicopter deploy its dip sonar? I understand there are a few ASW helicopters, but for this particular aspect they can't possibly differ much, right?

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Postby Synne Industries » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:07 pm

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Is a 3 intake design like this any good?

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Postby Barfleur » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:57 pm

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Is a 3 intake design like this any good?

Damn, that is beautiful. But alas I cannot answer for design quality, for I know way too little about this sort of thing.
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Postby Republica Federal de Catalunya » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:55 pm

Barfleur wrote:I’m thinking of making myself an air superiority fighter and a light, multirole fighter, possibly based off the F-5. All I need is Adobe Fireworks...


Do it. Is YN and could be fun.

F5 upgraded versions: Singaporean, thai, moroccan and Chilean upgraded versions are far more capable than the original. I don't believe they could stand against 5 generation or 4.5 generation fighters, but against other 3 generation and 4 generation fighter the could give some desagradable surprises. PE: F5S was AMRAAM capable.

It depends on the era of YN and budget F5s and F5Es in particular have been highly upgraded If you need a capable aircraft but You can't afford to get a new model upgrading is a good option.
Or you can move to the their 4 generation evolutions of the F5s as the A/F18, the F18E/F and the F20s.
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Postby New Vihenia » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:42 am

Synne Industries wrote:(Image)

Is a 3 intake design like this any good?


Good for fun.

But technically it's not optimum as intake cuts rather good volume in airframe where it can be used for other thing.

Second consideration is related to airflow, this would be more severe for single engined aircraft with 2 inlets. As during the flight, when the aircraft perform maneuver like yaw or pitch, one inlet may "see" different airflow than the other, this can cause aifrlow imbalance and somehow made engine operation non optimum. However current fighter aircraft seems already handled the second consideration well, so i guess it's fine.
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Postby Prosorusiya » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:40 am

This question is more Air Defense oriented than anything else, but maybe somebody can answer this: what was the line between Air Defense & Army control of AAA guns in the Soviet Union regarding gun caliber? 100mm? 57mm? Furthermore, I would assume that any AAA crew in a unit not attached to the army would be wearing Air Defense rather than Army Artillery uniforms?
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:46 am

Prosorusiya wrote:This question is more Air Defense oriented than anything else, but maybe somebody can answer this: what was the line between Air Defense & Army control of AAA guns in the Soviet Union regarding gun caliber? 100mm? 57mm? Furthermore, I would assume that any AAA crew in a unit not attached to the army would be wearing Air Defense rather than Army Artillery uniforms?

Based on a cursory search on Wikipedia, the Air Defense Forces didn't use Anti-Aircraft Artillery. Rather, they used interceptors and Surface to Air Missiles. So a good idea is probably that guns belong to the Army and Missiles belong to the PVO, which isn't entirely accurate since the Soviet Army had SAMs of its own.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:37 pm

There wasn't one, really.

The artillery troops of PVO strany operated anything from machineguns to heavy antiaircraft guns until the 60s. PVO-SV took over army air defense around then, and it was separate from PVO strany. PVO strany continued to use some tactical systems as part of defense in depth though. Soviet air defense was reorganized several times during its existence so the specifics will depend on time period.
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Postby Theodosiya » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:13 pm

If I have to pick between AN/APG-67 and ELM-2032 for Light Combat/Advanced Trainer T-50, what would it be? It's trainer, sure, but in a pinch, it must be able to take multirole duties like F-16, at least to some degree.

Any better radar are acceptable, if could be fitted for the fighter/trainer.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:50 am

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:12 pm

So it's 2019... how would the various special interest personages we have gathered around in these threads objectively evaluate the F-35 programme in 2019? <.>
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:21 am

good plane bad program
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:38 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So it's 2019... how would the various special interest personages we have gathered around in these threads objectively evaluate the F-35 programme in 2019? <.>

Classic example of the MIC fucking up. It's a good plane, great concept. Poorly executed, lack of effective oversight, and a system of procurement that rewards it.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:51 am

Gallia- wrote:at least "cheaper than an f16 guy" was partly correct

but only because f16v is triply overpriced

weird because we got arabs to pay for the entire r+d for f16d
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