Your Nation's Air Force Mark III: Best Korea Edition

[Roskian Federation]

Been wondering, just how useful is supercruise for a non-stealth fighter?

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It's a relatively rare capability but idk if it would be worth the loss in range, shortfield/carrier suitability, and probably several other things.

supercruise and stealth complement each other

they aren't needed to be together.

Supercruise works in an entirely different manner than stealth does, but it probably not going to be as effective (obviously)

But because the principle doesn't require the vehicle to be stealth, its not implausible. But if you're going to do supercruise, might as well do stealth.

[Roskian Federation]

posting airforces?

time to do fun things

Eurofighter Typhoon (includes a navalized version of the aircraft)
F-14 Tomcat (includes electronic warfare variant)
F-22 Raptor

B-2 Spirit
B-52 Stratofortress

E3 Sentry

C5 Galaxy
C-130
V-22 Osprey

U-2
UH-60 Series (includes literally every type of that aircraft)

DHC-7
AH-64
MH-6
Chinook

Independent Design UAV (recon and armed)

i have gaps of aircraft that I need to fill, but ill get around to it later i guess

[Iltica]

Been wondering, just how useful is supercruise for a non-stealth fighter?

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It's a relatively rare capability but idk if it would be worth the loss in range, shortfield/carrier suitability, and probably several other things.

supercruise and stealth complement each other

they aren't needed to be together.

Supercruise works in an entirely different manner than stealth does, but it probably not going to be as effective (obviously)

But because the principle doesn't require the vehicle to be stealth, its not implausible. But if you're going to do supercruise, might as well do stealth.

I get that, but low RCS isn't really an option with this airframe and time period.
Unless the ability to supercruise close to mach 1.6-1.8 on its own grants a significant advantage over other 4th generation fighters, it doesn't seem worth the sacrifices such a high-speed design requires.

[Roskian Federation]

supercruise and stealth complement each other

they aren't needed to be together.

Supercruise works in an entirely different manner than stealth does, but it probably not going to be as effective (obviously)

But because the principle doesn't require the vehicle to be stealth, its not implausible. But if you're going to do supercruise, might as well do stealth.

I get that, but low RCS isn't really an option with this airframe and time period.
Unless the ability to supercruise close to mach 1.6-1.8 on its own grants a significant advantage over other 4th generation fighters, it doesn't seem worth the sacrifices such a high-speed design requires.

There are a couple of key advantages (as noted on the Eurofighter Typhoo ):
Missiles launched have slightly extended range (if they can be launched from supercruise)

I cant find how much supercruise helps the stealth aspect, but it does provide advantages in the "flight" part of fight or flight. An aircraft which can maintain supersonic speeds for extended periods of time can outrun others who can't. This means the aircraft could theoretically run away (or run past) any threat which it considers to be overwhelming. While running past isnt always the best idea, running away saves the airframe and the pilot fron what could be certain death.

But otherwise, idk.

[Rhodesialund]

I cant find how much supercruise helps the stealth aspect, but it does provide advantages in the "flight" part of fight or flight. An aircraft which can maintain supersonic speeds for extended periods of time can outrun others who can't. This means the aircraft could theoretically run away (or run past) any threat which it considers to be overwhelming. While running past isnt always the best idea, running away saves the airframe and the pilot fron what could be certain death.

But otherwise, idk.

Lower heat sig from supercruise. Enemies using some fuckyugelol thermal/IR is gonna have an easier time detecting someone using afterburners than someone that's supercruising.

[Iltica]

That does sound handy... Do you think something like that sharper winged design from earlier could still operate from carriers, and have a combat radius comparable to an F16? Those are the main things I'm afraid of ruining.

[Routcher]

The Imperial Air Force uses the following (does not include Helicopters):

A400M Atlas
Voyager KC-30A
C-17 Globemaster III
E-3 Sentry
RC-135
Eurofighter Typhoon
MQ-9 Reaper
C-130J Hercules
Tornado GR4
Sentinel R1
F-35B
WK450 Watchkeeper
Dornier Alpha Jet
Mirage 2000
Rafale B/C

Was your list innocently waking the streets of Dover one day when it was suddenly struck over the head, shoved on a ferry and then woke up next morning in Calais speaking French?

It's just a bit weird and pointless to duplicate capabilities the RAF list already gives you.

I could maybe see the mirage 2000s(assuming c models rather than D's or N's) having been bought in place of tornado F.3 and still be kicking around as they get phased out by typhoons and F35s.

Of course there might be a reason for duplicating your jet trainer and fighter fleets but please God don't let it be the usual "we took over this/that country" or "we are a unified Britain and france".

We have a mismatched list mostly for my role-playing pleasure, but if I were to give it to lore, I'd say various defense ministers just get what's more affordable at the moment.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

More like your entire defence ministry's procurement section is run by French lobbyists and Dassault-bought mafia members.

[Routcher]

We will conduct our own internal investigations, thank you very much

[Kassaran]

More like your entire defence ministry's procurement section is run by French lobbyists and Dassault-bought mafia members.

The image of waxed-moustached, beret-wearing, baguette wielding, 1930's bootlegging gangsters with horrible French accents comes to mind when reading this.

On the other hand, Matra Rocket Packs... they're fuel tanks too, right? Or am I thinking something else?

[Crookfur]

More like your entire defence ministry's procurement section is run by French lobbyists and Dassault-bought mafia members.

The image of waxed-moustached, beret-wearing, baguette wielding, 1930's bootlegging gangsters with horrible French accents comes to mind when reading this.

On the other hand, Matra Rocket Packs... they're fuel tanks too, right? Or am I thinking something else?

There are/were a number of matra pods but the JL-100 that combined a 19 tube launcher for SNEB 68mm rockets and a 250l fuel tank did exist. Most notable use of it is likely on the overwing pylons on Saudi lightnings if only for it's oddness.

[Theodosiya]

Between Rafale, Typhoon and F-15 heavies and F-16, Mirage 2000, JAS 39 Gripen, FA-50 and F-20 as bulk fighters?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Between Rafale, Typhoon and F-15 heavies and F-16, Mirage 2000, JAS 39 Gripen, FA-50 and F-20 as bulk fighters?

Rafale and Typhoon are expensive as fuck.
F-15 is decent
F-16 is meh
Mirage 2000 is one step down from F-16
JAS 39 Gripen is literally one half of an F/A-18.
FA-50 is a glorified F-20.
And the F-20 itself is an improved suicide craft.

[Theodosiya]

More details please. Also comparison for systems in each classes and the best combo for "unlimited" budget and Poland level budget.

[Husseinarti]

More details please. Also comparison for systems in each classes and the best combo for "unlimited" budget and Poland level budget.

F-15C with the 2040 upgrade 4 dayz

[Prosorusiya]

Suggestions on what Soviet Aerobatic aircraft would be most appropriate for a 2017 civilian aerobatics team?

So far the possibilities I had in mind are:

MiG-17
MiG-15
L-39
L-29
T-11 Iskra
Yak-18
Yak-18P
Yak-18PS
Yak-50
Yak-52
Yak-15

Obviously, a full blown warlord team would be awesome, but also really expensive, so I am contemplating maybe something a step down from that, L-39s are still used by my Air Force so I was going to rule those out... not sure if I should go prop or jet plane, since prop planes can pull tighter turns than jets that could make for a more interesting display. Thoughts?

[United States-of America]

Suggestions on what Soviet Aerobatic aircraft would be most appropriate for a 2017 civilian aerobatics team?

So far the possibilities I had in mind are:

MiG-17
MiG-15
L-39
L-29
T-11 Iskra
Yak-18
Yak-18P
Yak-18PS
Yak-50
Yak-52
Yak-15

Obviously, a full blown warlord team would be awesome, but also really expensive, so I am contemplating maybe something a step down from that, L-39s are still used by my Air Force so I was going to rule those out... not sure if I should go prop or jet plane, since prop planes can pull tighter turns than jets that could make for a more interesting display. Thoughts?

Well since you don't want to use your L-39s you should go with either MIG-17 or L-29, both are pretty decent Soviet aircraft for me, but maybe also T-11 Iskra might be for a last option for jet engined plane.

[Laywenrania]

L-39s are still used by my Air Force so I was going to rule those out...

why?

[Prosorusiya]

L-39s are still used by my Air Force so I was going to rule those out...

why?

I guess the idea being that they Civies ought to have slightly worse equipment that the Military. Plus a lot of aerobatics teams use L-39s so I was thinking of doing something different to make them stand out. I may wind up keeping this list and having my players vote on it...

L-39s may be the most economical option, but MiG-17s as a team would be really cool. After all the teams job is to be a spectical, not necessarily to be entirely practical.

What about the Yak-15? Too old/limited performance to fly, even if they were replicas?

[Gallia-]

More details please. Also comparison for systems in each classes and the best combo for "unlimited" budget and Poland level budget.

F-35

[Theodosiya]

And? Need an equivalent to F-15/SU-27 too. F-35 to replace F-16s and MiG-29s (after both airframes got too old).

[Crookfur]

Suggestions on what Soviet Aerobatic aircraft would be most appropriate for a 2017 civilian aerobatics team?

So far the possibilities I had in mind are:

MiG-17
MiG-15
L-39
L-29
T-11 Iskra
Yak-18
Yak-18P
Yak-18PS
Yak-50
Yak-52
Yak-15

Obviously, a full blown warlord team would be awesome, but also really expensive, so I am contemplating maybe something a step down from that, L-39s are still used by my Air Force so I was going to rule those out... not sure if I should go prop or jet plane, since prop planes can pull tighter turns than jets that could make for a more interesting display. Thoughts?

A pro team using soviet/Russian stuff would likely be using something like the yak-54 or su-26/29/31 ie pure acrobatic sports aircraft.

A civilian jet team is very rare even in the West due to the sheer costs and complexity involved.

You might want to have a look at groups like The Blades to see what is possible with a bunch of aircraft in a similar class to those mentioned previously.

[New Oyashima]

In grim dark futur.


Su-25 is replaced by Su-47 In CAS roles.

[Gallia-]

In grim dark futur.


Su-25 is replaced by Su-47 In CAS roles.

N o .
o
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[Laritaia]

the SU-47 was as a dumb plane