Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Western Pacific Territories]

10/10 would reenlist to serve on USS Shippy McShipface

That cap though, dank as hell. <.<

I dunno. I mean, it definitely up there with USS Frank Cable but...

[Theodosiya]

My post still open for critiques

[Pharthan]

Scrap all my previous plan. I'll start to design a corvette first. The basis would be either SIGMA 9813/9814 or Buyan. It will have OTOBREDA 127mm gun, Mk 41 VLS, 2 Bofors 40mm or Oerlikon 35mm gun or Mk44 Bushmaster, 2x3 torpedo launcher, one or two Goalkeeper CIWS. Electronics, CMS and engine undecided. Opinions and suggestions appreciated.

Sigma looks pretty big for a 'vette, but sure. I'd personally recommend a missile-based CIWS if you can mount it, but the VLS can double for that and your CIWS choices aren't bad - though you could also go for a smaller main gun like a 76mm and have it double as CIWS as well; might be better for a corvette. You're not exactly going to be trying to use it for a lot of lengthy combat or extensive landing-forces support (maybe small ops, though), anyway, might as well make the ship more defensible imo.

Also recommend some mine-warfare capabilities.

[Velkanika]

How about that time they recruited Pvt. Manning as an agent who they directed to steal top secret data from the Department of State? They recruited their own spy, so I think that counts as stealing.

Nope, you are confusing Wikileaks with Guardian, who hired Manning.

I haven't heard that version of events, where did you hear that claim?

Scrap all my previous plan. I'll start to design a corvette first. The basis would be either SIGMA 9813/9814 or Buyan. It will have OTOBREDA 127mm gun, Mk 41 VLS, 2 Bofors 40mm or Oerlikon 35mm gun or Mk44 Bushmaster, 2x3 torpedo launcher, one or two Goalkeeper CIWS. Electronics, CMS and engine undecided. Opinions and suggestions appreciated.

Corvettes don't need more than one gun if they have missiles, so I suggest giving it a 3.75" gun on the bow, a CIWS of some kind aft of the engine exhausts, ESM/ECM on a unified mast with the radar, and scrap the torpedo launchers because you don't have the tonnage or deck space to have those and everything else. You can compensate by loading SUBROC in the VLS.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

A 95 mm gun? <.< >.>

[Velkanika]

A 95 mm gun? <.< >.>

A 30mm gun is great if you plan on fighting Boghammers, but you really need more explosive power if you want to disable or sink something like another corvette or even a small cargo ship. Missiles are good and all, but sometimes HE-Frag shellfire is the best option, especially in the situations where corvettes excel.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

A 95 mm gun? <.< >.>

A 30mm gun is great if you plan on fighting Boghammers, but you really need more explosive power if you want to disable or sink something like another corvette or even a small cargo ship. Missiles are good and all, but sometimes HE-Frag shellfire is the best option, especially in the situations where corvettes excel.

I was just noting that a 95 mm caliber is one that almost nobody uses. <.< It's almost Italian.

[Theodosiya]

Use 76mm Super Rapid Gun and one Goalkeeper. Might make another version for Mining ship.

So :

Name : Smersh-class Corvette
Weapons :
-1x Otobreda Super Rapid 76mm Gun
-2x Bushmaster Mk44 Autocannon, manual.
-1x Goalkeeper CIWS
-6x Cells of Mk41 VLS. Loadout undecided.
-2 x triple B515 launchers
Sensors, Decoy, ESM & ECM :

(WIP, need advice on what radar, sensors, etc.)

[The Selkie]

Use 76mm Super Rapid Gun and one Goalkeeper. Might make another version for Mining ship.

So :

Name : Smersh-class Corvette
Weapons :
-1x Otobreda Super Rapid 76mm Gun
-2x Bushmaster Mk44 Autocannon, manual.
-1x Goalkeeper CIWS
-6x Cells of Mk41 VLS. Loadout undecided.
-2 x triple B515 launchers
Sensors, Decoy, ESM & ECM :

(WIP, need advice on what radar, sensors, etc.)

Well, judging by how I do corvettes, I would use a multifunction radar, one that can work as both air search, surface search and navigation radar all in one - radars are expensive and the last thing you want is an expensive corvette. If you put sonar on it or not depends on if you want it to hunt subs or not.
As for Decoys, I would go with a Multi-Ammunition Softkill System for a start and then something for less advanced missiles, like chaff.
That's how I would start it. I am sure, that there are other opinions on it as well.

[Theodosiya]

Use 76mm Super Rapid Gun and one Goalkeeper. Might make another version for Mining ship.

So :

Name : Smersh-class Corvette
Weapons :
-1x Otobreda Super Rapid 76mm Gun
-2x Bushmaster Mk44 Autocannon, manual.
-1x Goalkeeper CIWS
-6x Cells of Mk41 VLS. Loadout undecided.
-2 x triple B515 launchers
Sensors, Decoy, ESM & ECM :

(WIP, need advice on what radar, sensors, etc.)

Well, judging by how I do corvettes, I would use a multifunction radar, one that can work as both air search, surface search and navigation radar all in one - radars are expensive and the last thing you want is an expensive corvette. If you put sonar on it or not depends on if you want it to hunt subs or not.
As for Decoys, I would go with a Multi-Ammunition Softkill System for a start and then something for less advanced missiles, like chaff.
That's how I would start it. I am sure, that there are other opinions on it as well.

Tell me some of the best radar, decoys and sonar manufacturer. And now i also wanted a ASUW variant. (ASUW, Mine-Warfare, General Purpose)

[The Selkie]

Well, judging by how I do corvettes, I would use a multifunction radar, one that can work as both air search, surface search and navigation radar all in one - radars are expensive and the last thing you want is an expensive corvette. If you put sonar on it or not depends on if you want it to hunt subs or not.
As for Decoys, I would go with a Multi-Ammunition Softkill System for a start and then something for less advanced missiles, like chaff.
That's how I would start it. I am sure, that there are other opinions on it as well.

Tell me some of the best radar, decoys and sonar manufacturer. And now i also wanted a ASUW variant. (ASUW, Mine-Warfare, General Purpose)

That could be a little bit of a problem, as I usually work out my own systems and specifications...
As for the variants: Why not make it a general purpose corvette and include ASW-capabilities and mine-warfare capabilities into those?

[Theodosiya]

Tell me some of the best radar, decoys and sonar manufacturer. And now i also wanted a ASUW variant. (ASUW, Mine-Warfare, General Purpose)

That could be a little bit of a problem, as I usually work out my own systems and specifications...
As for the variants: Why not make it a general purpose corvette and include ASW-capabilities and mine-warfare capabilities into those?

Won't it be too expensive?
And i plan to use RL system coz i want it to be semi realistic.

[Rhodesialund]

Nope, you are confusing Wikileaks with Guardian, who hired Manning.

I haven't heard that version of events, where did you hear that claim?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/02/the-guardian-hires-chelsea-manning-202383
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/10/the-guardian-hires-convicted-wikileaks-soldier.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/chelsea-manning-joins-the-guardian-as-contributing/


Like I said, you confused Wikileaks with Guardian. Manning was never hired by Wikileaks, ever. Wikileaks also doesn't pay people to leak information to them. It's done by the leaker's own volition.

[The Selkie]

That could be a little bit of a problem, as I usually work out my own systems and specifications...
As for the variants: Why not make it a general purpose corvette and include ASW-capabilities and mine-warfare capabilities into those?

Won't it be too expensive?
And i plan to use RL system coz i want it to be semi realistic.

I would say no, simply because of one thing: What do you think is cheaper - three ships of the same kind or variations of the same vessel, one mine-warfare, one ASW, one general purpose?
Both in development, acquisition and upkeep, mind you. I would say, the three mass-produced vessels win this one.

As far as I know, I am doing a relatively good job at keeping it realistic as well, despite my custom systems (and me not being an engineer). I believe, that it depends on the RPer and the one, who works it out as part of his Navy/Storefront and from where he works (Wikipedia in my case).
Except for The Ship Which May Not Be Named, but that's a different story (don't ask).

[Theodosiya]

Alright, GP corvette. Still, using RL systems means more proven capability.

[The Selkie]

Alright, GP corvette. Still, using RL systems means more proven capability.

If you use RL-equipment or not is a choice depending on your own preferences, I guess.
I don't and I am not bad with it, I would say. Mostly.

[Velkanika]

I haven't heard that version of events, where did you hear that claim?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/02/the-guardian-hires-chelsea-manning-202383
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/10/the-guardian-hires-convicted-wikileaks-soldier.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/chelsea-manning-joins-the-guardian-as-contributing/


Like I said, you confused Wikileaks with Guardian. Manning was never hired by Wikileaks, ever. Wikileaks also doesn't pay people to leak information to them. It's done by the leaker's own volition.

That's not what I meant by recruited. I meant they recruited Manning as an intelligence source to provide them with Top Secret information on topics that interested them. Manning was a HUMANINT source for Wikileaks, by which I mean he was a spy. Not all spies are paid for the information they deliver, some of them do it for ideological reasons or are manipulated into doing it. Wikileaks as a point of fact did establish contact with Manning and convinced him to send them classified documents damaging to the United States, just like any number of traitors who have passed information to the Chinese, Russians, Israelis, Cubans, and almost every country on earth with an intelligence agency.

A 30mm gun is great if you plan on fighting Boghammers, but you really need more explosive power if you want to disable or sink something like another corvette or even a small cargo ship. Missiles are good and all, but sometimes HE-Frag shellfire is the best option, especially in the situations where corvettes excel.

I was just noting that a 95 mm caliber is one that almost nobody uses. <.< It's almost Italian.

I missed this, but you're right. I use 3.75" for my NS navy because it's so weird and forgot for a minute that I wasn't working on my own stuff.

[Rhodesialund]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/02/the-guardian-hires-chelsea-manning-202383
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/02/10/the-guardian-hires-convicted-wikileaks-soldier.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/chelsea-manning-joins-the-guardian-as-contributing/


Like I said, you confused Wikileaks with Guardian. Manning was never hired by Wikileaks, ever. Wikileaks also doesn't pay people to leak information to them. It's done by the leaker's own volition.

That's not what I meant by recruited. I meant they recruited Manning as an intelligence source to provide them with Top Secret information on topics that interested them. Manning was a HUMANINT source for Wikileaks, by which I mean he was a spy. Not all spies are paid for the information they deliver, some of them do it for ideological reasons or are manipulated into doing it. Wikileaks as a point of fact did establish contact with Manning and convinced him to send them classified documents damaging to the United States, just like any number of traitors who have passed information to the Chinese, Russians, Israelis, Cubans, and almost every country on earth with an intelligence agency.

Hold on, let me slam my face into the desk in an effort to display my reaction to Weapons-Grade Derp within your statement.


Okay, now let's go over this again. Manning was never recruited by Wikileaks, nor is there any evidence to suggest that he did. He was never contacted by Wikileaks in the first place. Manning went onto Wikileaks' IRC/Jabber network of his own volition after hearing of Wikileaks unleash the 9/11 Pager Messages in 2009. Even the USCJ said that there was no evidence that Manning was recruited by Wikileaks.

[Velkanika]

That's not what I meant by recruited. I meant they recruited Manning as an intelligence source to provide them with Top Secret information on topics that interested them. Manning was a HUMANINT source for Wikileaks, by which I mean he was a spy. Not all spies are paid for the information they deliver, some of them do it for ideological reasons or are manipulated into doing it. Wikileaks as a point of fact did establish contact with Manning and convinced him to send them classified documents damaging to the United States, just like any number of traitors who have passed information to the Chinese, Russians, Israelis, Cubans, and almost every country on earth with an intelligence agency.

Hold on, let me slam my face into the desk in an effort to display my reaction to Weapons-Grade Derp within your statement.


Okay, now let's go over this again. Manning was never recruited by Wikileaks, nor is there any evidence to suggest that he did. He was never contacted by Wikileaks in the first place. Manning went onto Wikileaks' IRC/Jabber network of his own volition after hearing of Wikileaks unleash the 9/11 Pager Messages in 2009. Even the USCJ said that there was no evidence that Manning was recruited by Wikileaks.

Ok, then he recruited himself and my understanding of events was incorrect. That honestly makes my opinion of her drop somewhat below where it was because it means she was not manipulated into betraying her country and instead voluntarily did so. As an American my response to that is simple: How dare she.

[Rhodesialund]

Ok, then he recruited himself and my understanding of events was incorrect. That honestly makes my opinion of her drop somewhat below where it was because it means she was not manipulated into betraying her country and instead voluntarily did so. As an American my response to that is simple: How dare she.

As an American, I'm 50/50 when it comes to whistleblowers and Wikileaks. They do the good deeds in blowing the lid off of things that many governments and people would never admit to the public. I also sometimes find them bad in the fact that they can put US operatives and lives at risk overseas. Gotta take the good with the bad.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

I'd be more comfortable with wikileaks if Assange wasn't an obvious SVR stooge. I won't be surprised if in the near future one of Assange's drinks mysteriously has a lethal dose of polonium-210 when Putin realizes he's outlived his usefulness.

[Rhodesialund]

I'd be more comfortable with wikileaks if Assange wasn't an obvious SVR stooge. I won't be surprised if in the near future one of Assange's drinks mysteriously has a lethal dose of polonium-210 when Putin realizes he's outlived his usefulness.

lolno

[Velkanika]

I'd be more comfortable with wikileaks if Assange wasn't an obvious SVR stooge. I won't be surprised if in the near future one of Assange's drinks mysteriously has a lethal dose of polonium-210 when Putin realizes he's outlived his usefulness.

lolno

At this point, the evidence is pretty clear regarding Wikileaks being a tool of Russian soft power influence. The most obvious sign of this being the fact that Wikileaks has focused almost exclusively on information damaging to NATO members and the West when there is no lack of similarly interesting information coming out of Russia. On top of that, Assange is known to openly hate the United States and has made comments to the effect of wanting to embarrass and diminish out status as a superpower. Wikileaks is quite literally a self-declared enemy of the United States.

[Rhodesialund]

lolno

At this point, the evidence is pretty clear regarding Wikileaks being a tool of Russian soft power influence. The most obvious sign of this being the fact that Wikileaks has focused almost exclusively on information damaging to NATO members and the West when there is no lack of similarly interesting information coming out of Russia. On top of that, Assange is known to openly hate the United States and has made comments to the effect of wanting to embarrass and diminish out status as a superpower. Wikileaks is quite literally a self-declared enemy of the United States.

You obviously haven't been around long enough to see what documents and stuff Wikileaks has released against Russia in the past.

[The Normal House]

I landlocked