Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Velkanika]

Nuclear technology is one of the few things in the US that is classified at birth. There's really not a whole lot available on the topic, even from the 60s.

While, I do tend to find the boring bits fascinating, since I never intend to build a reactor, I'm fine with those parts staying classified, especially considering for what's relevant to NS quite of bit of material can be found that is publically available, if your internal research assistant is strong that is in its determination to dig through endless hours of source material that will even at times contradict one another.

Honestly, I don't think you have to say anything at all, because at the rate all these private corporations and government entities are being hacked and their data stolen, add in the fact that more and more government employees clearly don't understand the classified coding system in use. Given enough time with the way things are going, no one's going to be using the word secret or classified anymore, they’ll have lost their meaning.

The Obama administration has actually cracked down heavily on leaks of any kind. Barring the items Wikileaks stole while acting as a non-state actor intelligence agency with a hardon for anti-Americanism, there have been comparatively few leaks of Top Secret information.

I expect President Clinton to crack down just as heavily given the content of her speeches on the issue of leaks.

[Rhodesialund]

The Obama administration has actually cracked down heavily on leaks of any kind. Barring the items Wikileaks stole while acting as a non-state actor intelligence agency with a hardon for anti-Americanism, there have been comparatively few leaks of Top Secret information.

I expect President Clinton to crack down just as heavily given the content of her speeches on the issue of leaks.

Actually, Wikileaks didn't steal. They are a distributor, not a hacker group. They rely on stuff given to them.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

Actually, Wikileaks didn't steal. They are a distributor, not a hacker group. They rely on stuff given to them.

They're fed hacked emails by the Kremlin which are then published by their pet, I mean asset, Assange. Although the middling cybersecurity awareness of the DNC and HRC's camapign means it probably wasn't that hard to acquire anyways. Having read through chunks the emails pretty much all of them are fairly mundane and don't contain anything of national security importance unless risotto recipes are somehow code for our nuclear launch codes. The the only real "smoking gun" would be obvious evidence of collusion between journalists/media outlets and the HRC campaign which isn't illegal and shouldn't be surprising to anyone who's been following the election since the primaries.

Anyways the only thing I'm really interested in knowing about naval reactors when it comes to NS relevance is the thermal power output and either the thermal efficiency and/or the electrical power generation capability which isn't classified and/or can be reasonably well guessed using publicly available information. For most reactors the thermal output and shaft horsepower are readily available, it's the electrical power generation capability on top of that's that a bit more mysterious. According to Parthan the electrical power generation capability of the A4W is a quarter of the shaft power (shaft power is 140,000shp or ~100MW) which puts electrical generation capability at ~25 MW. The A4W is supposedly 550 MWth, with 125MW of output that gives it an efficiency of ~23%. For comparison most land based reactors are around 30-33% efficient. I'm currently using molten salt cooled reactors for my ships which at a coolant temp of 900 C have an efficiency of around 45% for a land based power-plant, applying the efficiency drop for a naval reactor (which trades efficiency for compactness) then gives me an efficiency of 45*(23/30) = 34.5%.

[Rhodesialund]

Actually, Wikileaks didn't steal. They are a distributor, not a hacker group. They rely on stuff given to them.

They're fed hacked emails by the Kremlin which are then published by their pet, I mean asset, Assange. Although the middling cybersecurity awareness of the DNC and HRC's camapign means it probably wasn't that hard to acquire anyways. Having read through chunks the emails pretty much all of them are fairly mundane and don't contain anything of national security importance unless risotto recipes are somehow code for our nuclear launch codes. The the only real "smoking gun" would be obvious evidence of collusion between journalists/media outlets and the HRC campaign which isn't illegal and shouldn't be surprising to anyone who's been following the election since the primaries.

Ehhh, it's pointed to the collusion. Plus to the intelligence of Hillary in several snippets. Kinda surprising that she had the intelligence of a turnip.

[Triplebaconation]

This thread is about warships, not turnips.

[Rhodesialund]

This thread is about warships, not turnips.

We are through the looking glass here folks. It's not lizard aliens from outer space trying to take us over, it's those fucking turnips that are trying to set the course for world domination. This changes every... FUCKING... THING!!!

[Gallia-]

we only discuss survivability turnips ;~;

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

So the new british SSBN will be named the Dreadnought class. The new american SSBN on the other hand will be named the Columbia class.

The bongs get a lot of hate but you can't deny they beat Americans when it comes to naming navy vessels.

[Triplebaconation]

The turnip theory is closer to the truth than xe knows...

Anyway, nuclear reactor info isn't super top-secret (some is), nor is it public domain. It's its own thing. A lot of formerly public information was scrubbed from the web in the 2004 paranoia rampage.

I think there's one verified inboard profile of a nuclear warship out there? Plus the A1B photos.

[Velkanika]

The Obama administration has actually cracked down heavily on leaks of any kind. Barring the items Wikileaks stole while acting as a non-state actor intelligence agency with a hardon for anti-Americanism, there have been comparatively few leaks of Top Secret information.

I expect President Clinton to crack down just as heavily given the content of her speeches on the issue of leaks.

Actually, Wikileaks didn't steal. They are a distributor, not a hacker group. They rely on stuff given to them.

How about that time they recruited Pvt. Manning as an agent who they directed to steal top secret data from the Department of State? They recruited their own spy, so I think that counts as stealing.

So the new british SSBN will be named the Dreadnought class. The new american SSBN on the other hand will be named the Columbia class.

The bongs get a lot of hate but you can't deny they beat Americans when it comes to naming navy vessels.

Nah, they just recycle the same 40 or so verbs over and over again. At least we've still got some new names to throw out there every so often.

[United States of PA]

Still need to build a battleship named Montana.......

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

Nah, they just recycle the same 40 or so verbs over and over again. At least we've still got some new names to throw out there every so often.

I mean we do the dame thing, except our ship/sub names are pretty much all either cities, states, or people.

[Triplebaconation]

I'm not sure the RN uses many verbs???

Columbia is quite good, scoring well on irony and neoclassicism. It only seems lame because America has lost its culture.

"Britannia owns her Independent Reign,
Hibernia, Scotia, and the Realms of Spain;
And Great Germania’s ample Coast admires
The generous Spirit that Columbia fires.
Auspicious Heaven shall fill with fav’ring Gales,
Where e’er Columbia spreads her swelling Sails:
To every Realm shall Peace her Charms display,
And Heavenly Freedom spread her gold Ray."

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

I'm not sure the RN uses many verbs???

Columbia is quite good, scoring well on irony and neoclassicism. It only seems lame because America has lost its culture.

It's specifically named after the district of Columbia. Somewhat mundane for something designed to inflict thermonuclear judgement on the enemies of FREEDOM.

[Triplebaconation]

The District of Columbia is named after the personification of the United States as a warrior goddess.

[Velkanika]

The District of Columbia is named after the personification of the United States as a warrior goddess.

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Columbia is my favorite personification of the United States.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

The District of Columbia is named after the personification of the United States as a warrior goddess.

I'm aware Columbia was/is the goddess-like female personification of the United States, I don't recall the warrior part.

Dreadnought is definitely a better name though. It's literal meaning of "fear not" is fitting for a ballistic missile submarine.

Now I'm wondering if they're going to make enough W88s to equip the entire US and british SSBN force. IIRC most Trident d%'s still carry the W76.

[The Akasha Colony]

The District of Columbia is named after the personification of the United States as a warrior goddess.

I'm aware Columbia was/is the goddess-like female personification of the United States, I don't recall the warrior part.

Dreadnought is definitely a better name though. It's literal meaning of "fear not" is fitting for a ballistic missile submarine.

Now I'm wondering if they're going to make enough W88s to equip the entire US and british SSBN force. IIRC most Trident d%'s still carry the W76.

The British don't use W88, so there would be no reason to make enough to equip both the US and British forces. Given that the warheads are handled separately under separate procurement and refurbishment programs and no new missiles are planned, it's unlikely anything will change. All they're building are new submarines.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

The British don't use W88, so there would be no reason to make enough to equip both the US and British forces. Given that the warheads are handled separately under separate procurement and refurbishment programs and no new missiles are planned, it's unlikely anything will change. All they're building are new submarines.

Yeah I remember now that Britain is stuck with the W76.

Trident D5 LE is supposed to remain in service until 2042 while Columbia is supposed to serve from the 2030s until the 2080s, thus it would be getting get a new missile, say a "Trident III" , only ~10 years into its service life. Who knows though, maybe they'll just keep making new D5s until forever.

[Triplebaconation]

Isn't the literal meaning of Dreadnought "dread nought?"

I imagine HMS Dreadnought sounded fairly silly when it was launched, as those not particularly interested in Royal Navy history would have associated the name with raincoats.

[Theodosiya]

Scrap all my previous plan. I'll start to design a corvette first. The basis would be either SIGMA 9813/9814 or Buyan. It will have OTOBREDA 127mm gun, Mk 41 VLS, 2 Bofors 40mm or Oerlikon 35mm gun or Mk44 Bushmaster, 2x3 torpedo launcher, one or two Goalkeeper CIWS. Electronics, CMS and engine undecided. Opinions and suggestions appreciated.

[Rhodesialund]

Actually, Wikileaks didn't steal. They are a distributor, not a hacker group. They rely on stuff given to them.

How about that time they recruited Pvt. Manning as an agent who they directed to steal top secret data from the Department of State? They recruited their own spy, so I think that counts as stealing.

Nope, you are confusing Wikileaks with Guardian, who hired Manning.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Still need to build a battleship named Montana.......

Still waiting on USS Nebraska.

Honestly I feel that America can make good ship names, the problem is that there are so many navy vessels now that there aren't enough good names to go around.

[Pharthan]

The turnip theory is closer to the truth than xe knows...

Anyway, nuclear reactor info isn't super top-secret (some is), nor is it public domain. It's its own thing. A lot of formerly public information was scrubbed from the web in the 2004 paranoia rampage.

I think there's one verified inboard profile of a nuclear warship out there? Plus the A1B photos.

Wait, there are photos of an A1B?
Photos, honestly, will not tell you much.

In the US, reactor info falls under ITAR. It's Confidential, so only one step above NOFORN. Enough to get you jailed and could damage national security if disclosed, but not "serious" damage.

Still need to build a battleship named Montana.......

Still waiting on USS Nebraska.

Honestly I feel that America can make good ship names, the problem is that there are so many navy vessels now that there aren't enough good names to go around.

10/10 would reenlist to serve on USS Shippy McShipface

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Still waiting on USS Nebraska.

Honestly I feel that America can make good ship names, the problem is that there are so many navy vessels now that there aren't enough good names to go around.

10/10 would reenlist to serve on USS Shippy McShipface

That cap though, dank as hell. <.<