Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Kanugues Wed]

I once read this quip somwhere about some analyst who thinks that cause of CIWS and other active protection, ships are going to return to big guns, WW1 style. But with railguns! Also that composite armour advances are gonna make armouring ships sensible again. How full of shit are they? Are they so full of shit it will collapse into a black hole, or only just create a star?

[The Corparation]

I once read this quip somwhere about some analyst who thinks that cause of CIWS and other active protection, ships are going to return to big guns, WW1 style. But with railguns! Also that composite armour advances are gonna make armouring ships sensible again. How full of shit are they? Are they so full of shit it will collapse into a black hole, or only just create a star?

The first.

[Lamoni]

Black Hole.

[Manokan Republic]

I once read this quip somwhere about some analyst who thinks that cause of CIWS and other active protection, ships are going to return to big guns, WW1 style. But with railguns! Also that composite armour advances are gonna make armouring ships sensible again. How full of shit are they? Are they so full of shit it will collapse into a black hole, or only just create a star?

There likely will be railguns used in conjunction with other weapons, rather than a complete replacement. Given that the U.S. navy is developing railguns, I'm pretty sure it's an idea they have. And the Chinese are already using them.

[Gallia-]

Another dope article by P.W. "Bring back the FRAM Cans" Singer. P.W. "Phantom Phan" Singer. P.W. "Defense Autarky Means No Rare Earths" Singer. P.W. "M48A5 > M1 Abrams" Singer? P.W. "Silicon Valley Is Pro-America" Singer.

[Manokan Republic]

Another dope article by P.W. "Bring back the FRAM Cans" Singer. P.W. "Phantom Phan" Singer. P.W. "Defense Autarky Means No Rare Earths" Singer. P.W. "M48A5 > M1 Abrams" Singer? P.W. "Silicon Valley Is Pro-America" Singer.

It doesn't matter who it's written by, what matters is that both the Chinese and Americans are developing these weapons, and the chinese are already using them. Out of the three most powerful countries on the planet, two already are developing railguns and one is already using them.

Russia is not far behind. It really doesn't matter who writes the article, what matters are fact. I can find another article if you really are that shallow that facts don't matter as much who writes an article.

[Gallia-]

Another dope article by P.W. "Bring back the FRAM Cans" Singer. P.W. "Phantom Phan" Singer. P.W. "Defense Autarky Means No Rare Earths" Singer. P.W. "M48A5 > M1 Abrams" Singer? P.W. "Silicon Valley Is Pro-America" Singer.

It doesn't matter who it's written by,

Past authorship matters more than what is actually being reported. The truth is that no one knows what that thing is (Mr. Singer, amusingly, suggests that a large caliber naval mortar would be "unnecessary" for an amphibious ship) and the article is merely Mr. Singer's personal speculation and wild imagination. The Chinese are about where the USA was in ~2014: putting a railgun to sea to shoot out a couple rounds/barrels. So they will probably have operational railguns in the '30s to replace small AAA guns and CIWS, since that is the most obvious utility of railguns. So really, they're a few years behind (about 3-4) and advancing, whereas the USA stalled out years ago and has been running on fumes since the '90s.

The PRC will have railguns before the USN, probably, and they probably will have them in the 2030s. That isn't much faster than what the USA could do, but the Chinese are starting from a lower position, although they move faster than Americans due to their naturally higher average IQ (~108 vs. ~104 for European Americans) and respectable GDP growth rate. The US IQ, OTOH, is stagnating/declining (European IQs have been falling since the '90s tho) while its GDP growth rate has more or less become equivalent to Brezhnev's USSR with little sign of recovery to a more respectable 3-4%/year growth rate.

This is a bit like pointing at MiG 1.44 and screaming about Russian superjets or something c. 1998. 20 years later the Russians are still flying Su-27 and barely getting superjets.

20 years from now the Chinese will still be using manually aimed AAA guns on their LSTs and barely getting railguns.

But that's making the wildly speculative assumption that the Chinese are actually investing in railguns in the first place, have been investing in them to the extent that the USN has, and not actually focusing on merely playing catch up with the U.S. Navy instead. It is not just a flight of fancy but an actual lie, since the PLAN has been mostly investing in its surface fleet and development of naval combat radars, which have just now borne fruit in the form of the Type 052D and Type 055 destroyers, which are equivalent to modern U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke DDGs and Ticonderoga CGs respectively. There's probably not very many extra funds between all of those modernization programs that require catch up, so I doubt the PLAN actually cares enough about railguns to want to field them in seriousness.

They are probably putting more effort into really dangerous weapons like HGVs.

the chinese are already using them.

The country that is barely putting an Aegis-equivalent warship to sea, 30 years after the fact, has railguns. Yes. Makes perfect sense that the Chinese would be randomly ~20-30 years ahead of the United States.

Russia is not far behind.

Look out, here comes Iran: https://www.themarysue.com/iranian-railgun/

facts don't matter

I'm glad you can admit that you hold this belief. At least that's one obstacle put behind us.

[The Akasha Colony]

Russia is not far behind.

Look out, here comes Iran: https://www.themarysue.com/iranian-railgun/

But what about Iran's STELF FIGHTERS?



Clearly every propaganda piece and flight of fancy must be indulged!

[Post War America]

Look out, here comes Iran: https://www.themarysue.com/iranian-railgun/

But what about Iran's STELF FIGHTERS?



Clearly every propaganda piece and flight of fancy must be indulged!

Can that thing even fly?

[The Akasha Colony]

Can that thing even fly?

Scale models of it supposedly have.

The Iranians are still playing around with a prototype on runway tests as of 2017.

They can probably make it fly. Putting an engine in it isn't hard. Getting it to do all of the usual STELF FIGHTA things though is the troublesome part. IIRC, the original model shown in 2013 (which is what the picture is of) had only basic civilian radar and navigation equipment normally used in private aircraft, hardly a military-grade combat avionics suite.

[Post War America]

Can that thing even fly?

Scale models of it supposedly have.

The Iranians are still playing around with a prototype on runway tests as of 2017.

They can probably make it fly. Putting an engine in it isn't hard. Getting it to do all of the usual STELF FIGHTA things though is the troublesome part. IIRC, the original model shown in 2013 (which is what the picture is of) had only basic civilian radar and navigation equipment normally used in private aircraft, hardly a military-grade combat avionics suite.

I'm no expert but those wings just don't look like they'd be generating enough lift for that thing to get airborne.

[Pharthan]

But what about Iran's STELF FIGHTERS?

(Image)

Clearly every propaganda piece and flight of fancy must be indulged!

Can that thing even fly?

Anything that looks like it is fitting in the Ace Combat series or a Japanese Anime obviously can fly.

[Gallia-]

Scale models of it supposedly have.

The Iranians are still playing around with a prototype on runway tests as of 2017.

They can probably make it fly. Putting an engine in it isn't hard. Getting it to do all of the usual STELF FIGHTA things though is the troublesome part. IIRC, the original model shown in 2013 (which is what the picture is of) had only basic civilian radar and navigation equipment normally used in private aircraft, hardly a military-grade combat avionics suite.

I'm no expert but those wings just don't look like they'd be generating enough lift for that thing to get airborne.

"Lift". You don't need lift when you have thrust. Observe: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusr ... nball.html

[Post War America]

Can that thing even fly?

Anything that looks like it is fitting in the Ace Combat series or a Japanese Anime obviously can fly.

As much as I love Ace Combat, I know full well their designs make as much sense from an aeronautical standpoint, as strapping paper wings to a brick and throwing it out a window.

[New Korongo]

Padeb and Ibra-Aned were ironclad battleships built in France for the Royal Naval Service. They were developments of the Marceau class. As construction was not inhibited by the politics of Jeune École, both ships were completed ahead of their French counterparts in the late 1880s. The image above shows Padeb in 1887 prior to the adoption of the standard all-white scheme. Padeb and Ibra-Aned remained in active service until 1912 despite their rapid obsolescence. They would have been withdrawn sooner if it was not for the ‘seventy-five plan’ which, among other things, aimed to double the size of the Korongolese battleship fleet. Padeb was decommissioned in 1912 while Ibra-Aned was relegated to a training role. This only lasted until 1914 when she was sunk at port by a bomb during the First Korongolese Civil War. The extent of the damage, combined with the obsolete nature of the ship, discouraged repair.

[New Korongo]

Padeb after her 1895 refit. Ibra-Aned received similar modifications in 1896. Anti-torpedo nets were added and the open 340 mm (13.4 in) Mle 1881 guns were enclosed in unarmoured gunhouses. A number of other minor changes were also made, including the addition of four 65 mm (2.6 in) Mle 1884 guns in place of existing 47 mm (1.9 in) Hotchkiss guns.

[Kanugues Wed]

why are mid 1800s ships so fugly

[Vreokkorynn]

How worst is my own aircraft carrier design?

Due limited equipments and death of my hdd, I'm using Vectr to build the very simple design. After i fix my PC, I will update this one

[The Corparation]

Angle of the stack seems a little extreme. Assuming you're going for Pre-Early WWII carrier it seems okay armament wise although I'd personally add more AA along the sides.

[Post War America]

How worst is my own aircraft carrier design?

Due limited equipments and death of my hdd, I'm using Vectr to build the very simple design. After i fix my PC, I will update this one

Remove those cannons.

[Vreokkorynn]

How worst is my own aircraft carrier design?

Due limited equipments and death of my hdd, I'm using Vectr to build the very simple design. After i fix my PC, I will update this one

Remove those cannons.

Are you sure? Those are dual purpose cannons similar to 5in/38 guns

Angle of the stack seems a little extreme. Assuming you're going for Pre-Early WWII carrier it seems okay armament wise although I'd personally add more AA along the sides.

yeah you right... the stack looks weird, maybe gonna fix that up and more AA guns

[Post War America]

Remove those cannons.

Are you sure? Those are dual purpose cannons similar to 5in/38 guns

What era is that carrier?

[Vreokkorynn]

Are you sure? Those are dual purpose cannons similar to 5in/38 guns

What era is that carrier?

around 1935-36 I think..

[Post War America]

What era is that carrier?

around 1935-36 I think..

I retract my statement.... assuming you're serious about making them 5" DP guns.

[Kanugues Wed]

I made this for non-nationstates stuff, but how does this design for a mid/late 40's battleship design sound?

The Steel class battleships are the mainstays of the Andean fleet. There are currently three ARS Steel battleships in service (ARS Steel, ARS Bronze, ARS Copper), with a fourth ship laid down, but not completed (ARS Iron). There is also the one-off ARS Diaz, which is basically an ARS Steel class with the rear two turrets replaced with a landing ship dock and barracks for marines. ARS Steel and ARS Copper serve in the Andean Atlantic fleet, with ARS Steel as the flagship. ARS Bronze serves as the flagship of the Andean Pacific fleet, and will be joined by ARS Iron once it is completed.

The Ships were designed with strong armament of all types, especially anti-air. The Steel class were among the first to successfully integrate radar into the aiming of the anti-aircraft armament, continuing the Andean tradition of equipping their equipment with some of the best electronics in the world; the anti-ship armament is also radar-directed to their targets. The Steel class sacrifice armour for heavy armament and high speed, and are designed to outrange enemy ships and use their speed and radar-gifted accuracy to pound enemy battleships from long distances beyond those from which they can effectively retailiate.

Only the first of the ARS Steel class was completed at the end of Idran involvement in the Great American War, and it's introduction was a significant reason that the Idran Empire withdrew from the conflict, as they hoped to escape the fighting without having a major amount of their warships sunk, and the Steel class drove them to accept terms more favorable to the Andes. As the main naval power in the conflict made peace within a month of the launching of the ARS Steel, the ships did not have much of a chance to enter major naval battles, with it's largest victory being sinking the UJI Maranhão light cruiser. However, during the continued war with the ERTA, the ARS Steel and ARS Bronze have both fired thousands of shells for ground support.

Specifications:

Displacement:

-55,000 long tons

Length:

-271.27m oa

-261.82m pp

Beam:

-33.53m

Draft:

-10.97m

Propulsion:

-4x screws

-8x XU-8 Boilers

-4x XA-16 Geared steam turbines

-190,000 shaft horsepower

Complement:

~2,600 sailors

-200 marines

Speed:

-34 knots flanking

Range:

-15,000 nautical miles range at 18 knots

Armament:

-Primary anti-ship Armament: 4x3x419.1mm U1300 Mod. 5 Naval Cannons

-Secondary anti-ship Armament: 11x 152.4mm U2000 Mod. 0 Naval Cannons

-Tertiary multi-role Armament: 8x 107.95mm U1800 Mod. 8 Naval Cannons

-Anti-Submarine Armament: 12x Q1900 "Prickly Pear" aimed Mortar arrays, 10x 4x Q2300 anti-submarine rocket launchers

-AAA Armament: 40x radar directed 44.45mm K90/R autocannons, 65x 22.86mm K100/C autocannons

Armour:

-Belt: 330.2mm

-Bulkheads: 355.6mm

-Barbettes: 482.6mm

-Turret Front: 457.2mm

-Turret Side: 228.6mm

-Conning Tower: 393.7mm

-Decks 157.48mm

The antisubmarine rockets I mentioned are not guided, literally just a depth charge on the end of a tube full of fuel.