Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[The Pacifican Islands]

Is there a way to deflect sonar waves from a torpedo, virtually make it stealthy?

Or are there different ways to make it hard to detect?

[Laritaia]

Is there a way to deflect sonar waves from a torpedo, virtually make it stealthy?

Or are there different ways to make it hard to detect?

sonar doesn't work that way

[Gallia-]

Anti-noise transducer.

[The Akasha Colony]

Is there a way to deflect sonar waves from a torpedo, virtually make it stealthy?

No.

Or are there different ways to make it hard to detect?

Yes. Make it quiet. Modern torpedoes are already designed for this.

[Triplebaconation]

Is there a way to deflect sonar waves from a torpedo, virtually make it stealthy?

Yes. Shaping works against active sonar to some extent - this has been known since at least WW2 but the technology remains in its infancy because active sonar isn't the dominant ASW sensor and the difficulty of modeling.

For a torpedo I can't imagine a scenario in which it would be worth since the detection ranges are so small already.

[Western Pacific Territories]

So, it looks like we now have not one but two carrier strike groups operating near North Korea. Everyday it looks like U.S. is prepping for something big. So in the spirit of that, I'd like to ask a question. Realistically, what could North Korea (with it's hundreds of mini-subs and torpedo boats) do in the naval theater to counter the pummeling of North Korean emplacements that would come from American carriers in a war?

Unrelated but has anyone here heard about the USS Jimmy Carter? Seawolf-class submarine that returned to port not long ago waving a Jolly Roger flag. Thing is, when you see a sub flying a Jolly Roger then it usually means they have successfully completed a mission. Navy officials apparently said something about "it occasionally flies the flag, as is tradition" but I don't buy it.

e: also worth noting that Jimmy Carter was modified to operate ROVs. My favorite pet theory about this is that the Jimmy Carter sank a NK sub trying to claim a kill

[North Arkana]

So, it looks like we now have not one but two carrier strike groups operating near North Korea. Everyday it looks like U.S. is prepping for something big. So in the spirit of that, I'd like to ask a question. Realistically, what could North Korea (with it's hundreds of mini-subs and torpedo boats) do in the naval theater to counter the pummeling of North Korean emplacements that would come from American carriers in a war?

Unrelated but has anyone here heard about the USS Jimmy Carter? Seawolf-class submarine that returned to port not long ago waving a Jolly Roger flag. Thing is, when you see a sub flying a Jolly Roger then it usually means they have successfully completed a mission. Navy officials apparently said something about "it occasionally flies the flag, as is tradition" but I don't buy it.

Jimmy Carter is carrying on the tradition of USS Parche iirc. So secret squirrel stuff is afoot.

[Western Pacific Territories]

So, it looks like we now have not one but two carrier strike groups operating near North Korea. Everyday it looks like U.S. is prepping for something big. So in the spirit of that, I'd like to ask a question. Realistically, what could North Korea (with it's hundreds of mini-subs and torpedo boats) do in the naval theater to counter the pummeling of North Korean emplacements that would come from American carriers in a war?

Unrelated but has anyone here heard about the USS Jimmy Carter? Seawolf-class submarine that returned to port not long ago waving a Jolly Roger flag. Thing is, when you see a sub flying a Jolly Roger then it usually means they have successfully completed a mission. Navy officials apparently said something about "it occasionally flies the flag, as is tradition" but I don't buy it.

Jimmy Carter is carrying on the tradition of USS Parche iirc. So secret squirrel stuff is afoot.

Yep.

[Rhodesialund]

Yep.

Providing that Rocketboi's rockets didn't fall apart completely upon collision with the ocean, you could assume that they recovered some of the rocketry at the bottom of the ocean. Or it could be a entirely different op.

[North Arkana]

Jimmy Carter is carrying on the tradition of USS Parche iirc. So secret squirrel stuff is afoot.

Yep.

If I had to guess, it might be scrounging pieces of the NorK missiles off the seafloor for analysis.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Yep.

Providing that Rocketboi's rockets didn't fall apart completely upon collision with the ocean, you could assume that they recovered some of the rocketry at the bottom of the ocean. Or it could be a entirely different op.

Yeah, I heard that one. So far it's either recovery of rocket debris, fucking with underwater cables or playing Cold Waters IRL.

[North Arkana]

Maybe it's pulling a repeat of that time a RN submarine stole the towed sonar array of a Soviet ship.

[The Corparation]

So, it looks like we now have not one but two carrier strike groups operating near North Korea. Everyday it looks like U.S. is prepping for something big. So in the spirit of that, I'd like to ask a question. Realistically, what could North Korea (with it's hundreds of mini-subs and torpedo boats) do in the naval theater to counter the pummeling of North Korean emplacements that would come from American carriers in a war?

Probably not much. Carriers would likely stay far enough offshore that any torpedo boat or minisub will be sunk long before it gets in range of a carrier. The biggest threat the North's Minisub's pose is probably serving as way to deliver Norks in ROK Army uniforms into South Korea. The Torpedo boats pose a threat if the US decides to have a Icheon 2.0 but I don't think they'll pose much of a threat otherwise.

Maybe it's pulling a repeat of that time a RN submarine stole the towed sonar array of a Soviet ship.

I vaguely recall reading about this at one point, can I get a refresher.

[North Arkana]

So, it looks like we now have not one but two carrier strike groups operating near North Korea. Everyday it looks like U.S. is prepping for something big. So in the spirit of that, I'd like to ask a question. Realistically, what could North Korea (with it's hundreds of mini-subs and torpedo boats) do in the naval theater to counter the pummeling of North Korean emplacements that would come from American carriers in a war?

Probably not much. Carriers would likely stay far enough offshore that any torpedo boat or minisub will be sunk long before it gets in range of a carrier. The biggest threat the North's Minisub's pose is probably serving as way to deliver Norks in ROK Army uniforms into South Korea. The Torpedo boats pose a threat if the US decides to have a Icheon 2.0 but I don't think they'll pose much of a threat otherwise.

Maybe it's pulling a repeat of that time a RN submarine stole the towed sonar array of a Soviet ship.

I vaguely recall reading about this at one point, can I get a refresher.

HMS Conqueror used some kinda special cable cutter to break the tow cable keeping the towed array attached to the Polish flagged ship. It was meant to result in a very abrasive sort of cut pattern, which would hopefully result in the crew believing something got tangled in the cable and broke it over time.

[The Akasha Colony]

So, it looks like we now have not one but two carrier strike groups operating near North Korea. Everyday it looks like U.S. is prepping for something big. So in the spirit of that, I'd like to ask a question. Realistically, what could North Korea (with it's hundreds of mini-subs and torpedo boats) do in the naval theater to counter the pummeling of North Korean emplacements that would come from American carriers in a war?

Basically nothing?

None of them have any way of stopping an air attack since none of them have any air defenses to speak of. The torpedo boats are basically limited to coastal operations as they don't have the endurance or the freeboard for open ocean actions and they lack any serious means of detecting warships aside from maybe some binoculars.

The submarines are potentially a slightly greater threat in the confines of the Bohai Sea or Korea Bay but in the wider expanses of the Sea of Japan or the Yellow Sea where USN carriers will stay, they're too slow and probably too noisy to be a real problem. Especially given that the entire ROKN and probably a large fraction of the JMSDF will be busy hunting them down as well.

[Puzikas]

Most of them are probably too poorly maintained to actually be sea-going anyways.

[Kassaran]

I heard from a Sgt abut a year back (whom had been with intel) that during his time in Korea, he'd heard and seen funnier failures of the Norks. Apparently one such event included an artillery range test that ended in disaster when a Salvo that was supposed to be launched from old soviet pieces, in fact detonated inside their respective pieces and blew up the supporting vehicles, emplacements, and ofc, the operators. The word of it apparently carried a rumor that this is pretty common because the majority of old soviet equipment in NK has yet to receive an updated technical manual in Korean, and not many maintainers can read Russian so they just repeat precisely the original maintenance practices from when the pieces were brand new.

[Ustriaban]

Since im next to martantaka, im using almost the same name of class of ship

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

we could make a submersible carrier today

it just wouldn't be any good

It would be good at being really loud.

Memes aside, what can be done to minimise the noise output of a 100,000 ton submarine?

[The Akasha Colony]

It would be good at being really loud.

Memes aside, what can be done to minimise the noise output of a 100,000 ton submarine?

All of the things that would be done on a smaller submarine.

There's no particular reason a 100,000 ton submarine would be loud. If anything, such a large ship would have an absurd amount of space for rafting and quieting measures.

[Sawaikii]

Relatedly, if I have submersible carriers, do I even need surface combatants? And if I don't, what's a good upper limit for what percent of one's navy can and should be subs?

[The Corparation]

Relatedly, if I have submersible carriers, do I even need surface combatants? And if I don't, what's a good upper limit for what percent of one's navy can and should be subs?

1) A submersible carrier will never be able to fulfill the same role as a surface carrier. At least not without spending all of its time on the surface, which defeats the purpose of making it submersible.
2) Submarines good at 2 things. Being Sneaky and killing surface (Land and sea) targets. You will still need surface combatants for everything else.
3) There's no easy way to tale a given % and say this is the optimal number of subs. It depends entirely on what you want/need to do.

[Allanea]

I'm not sure how relevant it is to this thread, but it's certainly fascinating.

[Gallia-]

I'm not sure how relevant it is to this thread, but it's certainly fascinating.

It's relevant to war canoes. Ergo relevant to thread.

[Kassaran]

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