Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Gallia-]

tbf the object of those images is a cute af cuddly creatur i would totes snuggle up to rly :3

[The Akasha Colony]

China is apparently making submersible arsenal ships.

"Some institutions are conducting studies" ≠ "making submersible arsenal ships"

[Taihei Tengoku]

its an ohio but skips the more important "ssbn" stage of its life

[North Arkana]

guiz... I found a "Longsword" from supposedly 1949.

Technical Data
Displacement: 886,350 normal, 921,677 full load
Length (overall): 2035 feet
Width: 278 feet, 308 feet torpedo bulge
Draught: 83 feet
Propulsion: 16 steam turbines for a total of 350,000 horsepower, 8 shafts.
Speed: 23.4 knots
Complement: 14,274
Armament:
4 x 3 36"/60 high velocity guns [maglev tech, doesnt move like crap]
12 x 3 12"/52 guns
54 x 3 6"/60 dual-purpose weaponry
A whole lot of quad-mount 37mm guns.
Armour:
48" belt
30" upper hull armor
12" hull end armor
80"/20" turret armor, 40" barbette
Deck armor ranges from 10-24 inch
15 inch torpedo bulge, 6 inch bulkhead.

[Rupudska]

guiz... I found a "Longsword" from supposedly 1949.

Technical Data
Displacement: 886,350 normal, 921,677 full load
Length (overall): 2035 feet
Width: 278 feet, 308 feet torpedo bulge
Draught: 83 feet
Propulsion: 16 steam turbines for a total of 350,000 horsepower, 8 shafts.
Speed: 23.4 knots
Complement: 14,274
Armament:
4 x 3 36"/60 high velocity guns [maglev tech, doesnt move like crap]
12 x 3 12"/52 guns
54 x 3 6"/60 dual-purpose weaponry
A whole lot of quad-mount 37mm guns.
Armour:
48" belt
30" upper hull armor
12" hull end armor
80"/20" turret armor, 40" barbette
Deck armor ranges from 10-24 inch
15 inch torpedo bulge, 6 inch bulkhead.

This reminds me of a design proposed by some Japanese senator whose concept name I forget, but it was basically an armored cruiser except freakishly huge and with battleship turrets instead of dinky 5" guns.

I learned of it on the North America World of Warships forum where it was agreed it was incredibly stupid and would thus make a great boss event.

[Rustyal]

Hey! That's my design, Imperatritsa Ketrin!

[Rustyal]

guiz... I found a "Longsword" from supposedly 1949.

Technical Data
Displacement: 886,350 normal, 921,677 full load
Length (overall): 2035 feet
Width: 278 feet, 308 feet torpedo bulge
Draught: 83 feet
Propulsion: 16 steam turbines for a total of 350,000 horsepower, 8 shafts.
Speed: 23.4 knots
Complement: 14,274
Armament:
4 x 3 36"/60 high velocity guns [maglev tech, doesnt move like crap]
12 x 3 12"/52 guns
54 x 3 6"/60 dual-purpose weaponry
A whole lot of quad-mount 37mm guns.
Armour:
48" belt
30" upper hull armor
12" hull end armor
80"/20" turret armor, 40" barbette
Deck armor ranges from 10-24 inch
15 inch torpedo bulge, 6 inch bulkhead.

This reminds me of a design proposed by some Japanese senator whose concept name I forget, but it was basically an armored cruiser except freakishly huge and with battleship turrets instead of dinky 5" guns.

I learned of it on the North America World of Warships forum where it was agreed it was incredibly stupid and would thus make a great boss event.

the Zipang battleship.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Congratulations on making a boat with 300 decibels of self-noise and 400 decibels of active sonar reflection.

[Rustyal]

Congratulations on making a boat with 300 decibels of self-noise and 400 decibels of active sonar reflection.

If I'm loud enough, the enemy will lose morale and hopefully retreat.

Now move! Pick apart my Empress's realism side!

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Congratulations on making a boat with 300 decibels of self-noise and 400 decibels of active sonar reflection.

If I'm loud enough, the enemy will lose morale and hopefully retreat. :)

Now move! Pick apart my Empress's realism side!

A ship is a singular object in the vast oceans of any planet. This thing announces its presence to anybody and everybody with a WWII era sonar in the same ocean. All your enemy has to do is not be in the same 40 km diameter circle as your waste of steel, and your 20 knots effective is too slow to catch anybody.

[Rustyal]

If I'm loud enough, the enemy will lose morale and hopefully retreat.

Now move! Pick apart my Empress's realism side!

A ship is a singular object in the vast oceans of any planet. This thing announces its presence to anybody and everybody with a WWII era sonar in the same ocean. All your enemy has to do is not be in the same 40 km diameter circle as your waste of steel, and your 20 knots effective is too slow to catch anybody.

Well, her speed would have been 32 knots, but I nerfed her to accomodate for another RP.

Makes sense though.

[Gallia-]

its an ohio but skips the more important "ssbn" stage of its life

but it's a trillion times cuter than ohio because it's wide/cuddly and has two sails OwO

[Kassaran]

A ship is a singular object in the vast oceans of any planet. This thing announces its presence to anybody and everybody with a WWII era sonar in the same ocean. All your enemy has to do is not be in the same 40 km diameter circle as your waste of steel, and your 20 knots effective is too slow to catch anybody.

Well, her speed would have been 32 knots, but I nerfed her to accomodate for another RP.

Makes sense though.

Here's a pointer, never nerf anything. Has the military ever nerfed something on the account of it being too good at it's job?

[Laritaia]

Well, her speed would have been 32 knots, but I nerfed her to accomodate for another RP.

Makes sense though.

Here's a pointer, never nerf anything. Has the military ever nerfed something on the account of it being too good at it's job?

yes

many times

usually because it being good at it's job got in the way of some other metric

normally cost

[Kassaran]

Here's a pointer, never nerf anything. Has the military ever nerfed something on the account of it being too good at it's job?

yes

many times

usually because it being good at it's job got in the way of some other metric

normally cost

A nerf is a change to a game that reduces the power of a weapon or skill in order to maintain game balance.

So cost-cutting measures are intended to create balance between opposing factions in war?

This isn't an argument about whether the military ever cut down the abilities of one thing to make it cheaper... it's a matter of cutting down the abilities of one thing to make the playing field even. I'm not aware of modern militaries not using any tactical and strategic advantage it has had in any combat operation before for the sake of 'making things fair for the enemy'. This is my complaint, that people do this a lot on NS, because the people they're facing don't do their research, or don't understand how combat works.

Now, I'm going to say this much... I'm not arguing for the realism of the battleship that was nerfed, but the realism of nerfing the battleship 'for fairness'.

[The Selkie]

yes

many times

usually because it being good at it's job got in the way of some other metric

normally cost

A nerf is a change to a game that reduces the power of a weapon or skill in order to maintain game balance.

So cost-cutting measures are intended to create balance between opposing factions in war?

This isn't an argument about whether the military ever cut down the abilities of one thing to make it cheaper... it's a matter of cutting down the abilities of one thing to make the playing field even. I'm not aware of modern militaries not using any tactical and strategic advantage it has had in any combat operation before for the sake of 'making things fair for the enemy'. This is my complaint, that people do this a lot on NS, because the people they're facing don't do their research, or don't understand how combat works.

Now, I'm going to say this much... I'm not arguing for the realism of the battleship that was nerfed, but the realism of nerfing the battleship 'for fairness'.

Good afternoon,
I am the OP of the RP in question for which Caty was made - I asked Rustyal to make her slower, so any blame with that lies with me. But to be quite honest, Kassaran, you already gave the key word in your post:

A nerf is a change to a game that reduces the power of a weapon or skill in order to maintain game balance.

[...]

The underlining is my modification of the quote. Of course, it is not realistic to tone down any capability for a ship, gun, car, tank, piece of toilet paper for fairness with the enemy/competitor in reality, simply because it's still an advantage over your enemy/competitor. Giving up an advantage for any reason is... let's call it stupid.
However, I asked Rustyal to nerf Caty for the RP, simply to balance it a bit - and it still comes with enough drawbacks for its size and capabilities. After all, it's still a game and I would like for all of its participants to have fun while being in it.
I hope, that you understand my reasoning.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The thing doesn't need "balancing". The thing needs realisation that it is the loudest object on planet Earth, is terminally anaemic, and if some submarine captain wasn't satisfied with the enormous sound signature of this vessel yet he could open up active sonar and almost be able to image the thing because of how well it reflects sound waves. All he needs then is a single torpedo - non-nuclear, guided straight into the propellers to make the thing crippled and scuttled because you can't tow a 900,000 ton object.

[Laywenrania]

I'm asking myself if such a huge ship could actually be built feasibly... where do you want to anchor and resupply it? No harbour could probably support it. You need a shipyard actually capable of building it etc etc etc

[Rupudska]

the Zipang battleship.

Yes, that thing. Or rather this thing:



See those guns? Those are 16-inchers, and it has fifty.

Even the Longsword isn't as wanky because at least the Longsword uses eight nuclear reactors to haul its titanic ass through the water.

In the same thread there was also a Russian battleship with 41 torpedo tubes per side thus proving once and for all that Russians cannot into ship design.

[Allanea]

Nobody remembers Bellerophon I see.

[Bnnu]

Trying to work the very basics my Navy here, so if anyone especially knowledgeable could feel to correct or lecture me please do.
A basic run down of naval vessels should be
Carriers: support ground operations
Escorts: frigates and destroyers to hunt submarines and defend airspace
Submarines: actually sinks ships
Is this all more or less a correctish understanding of the roles of modern naval vessels?

[Crysuko]

Trying to work the very basics my Navy here, so if anyone especially knowledgeable could feel to correct or lecture me please do.
A basic run down of naval vessels should be
Carriers: support ground operations
Escorts: frigates and destroyers to hunt submarines and defend airspace
Submarines: actually sinks ships
Is this all more or less a correctish understanding of the roles of modern naval vessels?

helecopter carriers armed with anti-shipping missiles are also a thing
also, missile destroyers.

[North Arkana]

Trying to work the very basics my Navy here, so if anyone especially knowledgeable could feel to correct or lecture me please do.
A basic run down of naval vessels should be
Carriers: support ground operations
Escorts: frigates and destroyers to hunt submarines and defend airspace
Submarines: actually sinks ships
Is this all more or less a correctish understanding of the roles of modern naval vessels?

Carriers do all of the roles.

Naval vessels basically fall into "submarine, carrier, escort" categories. Though subs prefer to think of it as "submarines, targets".

[Martantaka]

MARTANTAKA NAVY FLEET DIVISION

SUPERSHIP
MMS BERKA CLASS
MMS COURUNVERN CLASS
BATTLESHIP
MMS USEA CLASS
MMS OSEA CLASS
MMS URUNDARVANDA CLASS
MMS KALAIS MRACK
AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
MMS OURED CLASS
MMS GRUNZEN
CRUISERS CARRIER
MMS CC-11
MMS CC-12
FRIGATE
MMS MERRIATE
MMS NORBLANDO
MMD NROBLANO
DESTROYERS
MMS KONHOU
MMS JOUIHOU
MMS DRUTYU
CRUISERS
MMS AZAM
MMS KONGOU
MMS ZERVANDEK
MMS JIHUVAL
MMS POTRYOLU
MMS CHESTER
MMS ERIE
SUBMARINES
SB-105
SB-106
SB-107
SB-108
SB-109
SB-120 PROT
BEACH CHARGER
MMS BC HUNKIRK
MMS BC DURKIRK
MMS BC VRUN
PATROLERS
MMSP UGANDA
MMSP TURKYUJUIO
MMSP ROSHVEN
MMSP HONULO
MMSP GARNADA
LIGHT SCOUTS CRUISERS
LSC BRYU
LSC PHL-31
LSC PHC-31
LSC IZ-552
LSC JUNO
LSC GOLDRYU
LSC OHAMA
LSC BARSHJUNDA
LSC USR
SPECIAL MINE DETECTOR
SMD FAR EAST
SMD SEA
SMD HUNGARI
SMD GOROSHKA
SMD JUOHKAL
SMD ORLENAS
ESCORTS SHIP
ES AB1
ES BB1
ES CB1



NEWS:NEW SHIP COMING IN
MEGASHIP
MMMS STRANDARA
MMMS GRABRALTAR
BATTLESHIP CARRIER (PROT)
MMBCSP ORSHANDA
MMBCSP BARACUBA
MMBCSP HUARTAKAR
SUPER SUBMARINES
MMSSS MORKA
MMSSS CN-17
MMSSS CN-18
MMSSS CN-19
MMSSS CN-20

NOTE:Dude it's year 2048 rn

My........My ship is to many that's make me a complete "illegal ship manufacturer"

[Kassaran]

MARTANTAKA NAVY FLEET DIVISION

SUPERSHIP
MMS BERKA CLASS
MMS COURUNVERN CLASS
BATTLESHIP
MMS USEA CLASS
MMS OSEA CLASS
MMS URUNDARVANDA CLASS
MMS KALAIS MRACK
AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
MMS OURED CLASS
MMS GRUNZEN
CRUISERS CARRIER
MMS CC-11
MMS CC-12
FRIGATE
MMS MERRIATE
MMS NORBLANDO
MMD NROBLANO
DESTROYERS
MMS KONHOU
MMS JOUIHOU
MMS DRUTYU
CRUISERS
MMS AZAM
MMS KONGOU
MMS ZERVANDEK
MMS JIHUVAL
MMS POTRYOLU
MMS CHESTER
MMS ERIE
SUBMARINES
SB-105
SB-106
SB-107
SB-108
SB-109
SB-120 PROT
BEACH CHARGER
MMS BC HUNKIRK
MMS BC DURKIRK
MMS BC VRUN
PATROLERS
MMSP UGANDA
MMSP TURKYUJUIO
MMSP ROSHVEN
MMSP HONULO
MMSP GARNADA
LIGHT SCOUTS CRUISERS
LSC BRYU
LSC PHL-31
LSC PHC-31
LSC IZ-552
LSC JUNO
LSC GOLDRYU
LSC OHAMA
LSC BARSHJUNDA
LSC USR
SPECIAL MINE DETECTOR
SMD FAR EAST
SMD SEA
SMD HUNGARI
SMD GOROSHKA
SMD JUOHKAL
SMD ORLENAS
ESCORTS SHIP
ES AB1
ES BB1
ES CB1



NEWS:NEW SHIP COMING IN
MEGASHIP
MMMS STRANDARA
MMMS GRABRALTAR
BATTLESHIP CARRIER (PROT)
MMBCSP ORSHANDA
MMBCSP BARACUBA
MMBCSP HUARTAKAR
SUPER SUBMARINES
MMSSS MORKA
MMSSS CN-17
MMSSS CN-18
MMSSS CN-19
MMSSS CN-20

NOTE:Dude it's year 2048 rn

My........My ship is to many that's make me a complete "illegal ship manufacturer"

Nevermind the grammar in the above sentence... what makes you think that battleships and 'superships' are a good idea?
Why do you have cruiser carriers and aircraft carriers, but not the obviously best type of carrier, a supercarrier?
Why do you have so many types of ship when you really might not need more than six or so classes of vessel?
Why do you have no fleet tenders?
Why in the name of the gods are you making a super submarine?
What in the fuck is a Battleship Carrier?
Do I even want to ask about the certain abomination that is a Megaship?