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Postby Theodosiya » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:58 am

Won't mind, since i meant to have some stuff based on them, but it will have new hull, probably in 636 style.
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Postby Rhodesialund » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:46 pm

Those things that make you go, "Hmmmm, what if Stalin never did die?" :o

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Postby Novorden » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:24 am

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I am designing a WW2 cruiser and have got to the hanger (the highlighted area). How tall should it be? As if I want to keep it inline with my decks I have the option of 5.1m (x2) or 7.5m (x3) tall.

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Laritaia
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Postby Laritaia » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:33 am

Novorden wrote:(Image)
I am designing a WW2 cruiser and have got to the hanger (the highlighted area). How tall should it be? As if I want to keep it inline with my decks I have the option of 5.1m (x2) or 7.5m (x3) tall.


well on RN cruisers it's 2 and a half decks so you're gonna have to go with 3

though on the french la galissonniere class cruisers it was two decks, so i suppose it really depends on the aircraft in question and the deck handling system
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Postby Celery AKA Celibrae » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:08 am

Shaurya as an antiship missile?

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Postby Austrasien » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:11 am

Anti-ship ballistic missiles are a thing, yes.
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Postby Allanea » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:47 am

Rhodesialund wrote:Those things that make you go, "Hmmmm, what if Stalin never did die?" :o

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It strikes me more of a Khruschev thing, given the man's obssession with submarines.
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Postby Celery AKA Celibrae » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:48 am

Austrasien wrote:Anti-ship ballistic missiles are a thing, yes.


But would it be effective?

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Postby The Technocratic Syndicalists » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:15 am

Celery AKA Celibrae wrote:
Austrasien wrote:Anti-ship ballistic missiles are a thing, yes.


But would it be effective?


Just use an SM-6 if you want an ASBM that actually works. Shauyra is a land attack missile that lacks any kind of active seeker needed for hitting ships or other mobile targets.
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Postby Celery AKA Celibrae » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:32 am

The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:
Celery AKA Celibrae wrote:
But would it be effective?


Just use an SM-6 if you want an ASBM that actually works. Shauyra is a land attack missile that lacks any kind of active seeker needed for hitting ships or other mobile targets.


Not literally Shaurya, but a missile of the same characteristics. If fitted with the necessary guidance systems, would it be effective using a conventional warhead?

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:18 am

The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:
Celery AKA Celibrae wrote:
But would it be effective?


Just use an SM-6 if you want an ASBM that actually works. Shauyra is a land attack missile that lacks any kind of active seeker needed for hitting ships or other mobile targets.

SM-6 isn't a ballistic missile
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Postby The Technocratic Syndicalists » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:19 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:SM-6 isn't a ballistic missile


It is if you launch it at a surface target. Once the sustain motor on the upper stage burns out what kind of flight profile do you think it follows?


it's technically quasi-ballistic because the strakes on the kill stage are designed to generate lift and thus give it a positive L/D ratio which means it doesn't follow a purely ballistic trajectory
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Postby Gallia- » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:29 pm

Celery AKA Celibrae wrote:
The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:
Just use an SM-6 if you want an ASBM that actually works. Shauyra is a land attack missile that lacks any kind of active seeker needed for hitting ships or other mobile targets.


Not literally Shaurya, but a missile of the same characteristics. If fitted with the necessary guidance systems, would it be effective using a conventional warhead?


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Postby New Oyashima » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:41 pm

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Postby Rhodesialund » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:03 pm

New Oyashima wrote:War mixed with money is good Gayla.


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Postby Novorden » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:28 am

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Does anyone see any obvious issues/flaws with the layout before I start adding details?

Also how common was it for surface ships in WW2 to fire torpedoes from a fixed tube rather than having rotating launchers?
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Postby Laritaia » Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:35 am

Novorden wrote:Also how common was it for surface ships in WW2 to fire torpedoes from a fixed tube rather than having rotating launchers?


basically un heard of, HMS Nelson supposedly did it

it makes aiming the torpedoes much harder, as you basically only have the ship's course and gyro-angling

but this looks like a late, even post war design, so in all likelihood any torpedo tubes it did have would be early ASW mounts
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:18 pm

Laritaia wrote:
Novorden wrote:Also how common was it for surface ships in WW2 to fire torpedoes from a fixed tube rather than having rotating launchers?


basically un heard of, HMS Nelson supposedly did it

Do you mean unheard of by the start of WW2, or unheard of in general? By the start of WW1, fixed, submerged torpedo tubes were an almost universal feature of battleship armament, and G3, Lexington, Amagi, and Tosa would have had them if completed.

The Washington Naval Treaty seems to have killed off the idea though, for the very reasons that you mentioned. NavWeaps claims that HMS Rodney was the only battleship to ever fire a torpedo at another battleship, and AFAICT by that time the USN and IJN had faired over their battleships' torpedo tubes to save space and tonnage. For a late-WWII heavy cruiser they're definitely unheard of and not worth investing in.
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Postby Palmyrion » Mon May 01, 2017 4:53 am

What's the point of battlecruisers like Kirov today?
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Postby Laritaia » Mon May 01, 2017 4:58 am

Palmyrion wrote:What's the point of battlecruisers like Kirov today?


the Kirov isn't really a battlecruiser, it's a classic example of how inadequate ship designations from the 1900s are when applied to modern surface combatants

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Postby Palmyrion » Mon May 01, 2017 5:09 am

Laritaia wrote:
Palmyrion wrote:What's the point of battlecruisers like Kirov today?


the Kirov isn't really a battlecruiser, it's a classic example of how inadequate ship designations from the 1900s are when applied to modern surface combatants

CCGN?

BTW, in a 21st century warfare, does it really make sense to have large combatant warships like the Kirov?
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Postby Palmyrion » Mon May 01, 2017 5:11 am

Gallia- wrote:Yes big atomic ships are cool.

Notwithstanding cool factor...

I was thinking of having a not-Kirov lead a group of 3 destroyers and one SSN. They could join arms with a carrier and another group of said composition to create a Carrier Strike Armada, with 3 T/AOEs, for a total of 14 ships.
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