Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[The Akasha Colony]

ok so I've dusted the carrier off and it's time to play a game called

Which sponson configuration is best sponson configuration
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I prefer the first one, as it gives all of the weapons wide arcs of fire (not so important on the starboard weapons due to the VLS) without requiring any of them to be superfiring, which would presumably involve lowering the outer or forward sponson, making it wetter.

[Gallia-]

ok so I've dusted the carrier off and it's time to play a game called

Which sponson configuration is best sponson configuration
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Where is the 3"/62?

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[Laritaia]

ok so I've dusted the carrier off and it's time to play a game called

Which sponson configuration is best sponson configuration
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Where is the 3"/62?

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mine isn't Italian

[Gallia-]

are you implying my vessel is flaccid and pasta-like, perhaps? rigatoni? penne? linguine? fettuccine? tortellini?

how do these gallan battlewagons float when theyre made of fusilli?

[Theodosiya]

After the 9814 SIGMA Corvette, should i get the 10514 or go straight to the DZP?

[Laritaia]

ok i think that's the weapons sponsons done

need to work out places for all the other bits and bobs carriers have now

[The Corparation]

I'm not an expert but the weapon elevator placement looks odd to me. As it is now,when when launching off the rear catapults it seems like you're going to be slowed by the fact that all weapons either need to be brought up on that lone rear weapons lift or be carted across nearly the full length of the flight deck.

[Laritaia]

I'm not an expert but the weapon elevator placement looks odd to me. As it is now,when when launching off the rear catapults it seems like you're going to be slowed by the fact that all weapons either need to be brought up on that lone rear weapons lift or be carted across nearly the full length of the flight deck.

there is another lift inside the superstructure block

[Pharthan]

ok i think that's the weapons sponsons done

need to work out places for all the other bits and bobs carriers have now
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I'm a bit confused as to why you went with two waist-cats and not two bow-cats, considering the additional waist-cat is going to add a lot of weight and take up space a carrier of that size might not have.

[Laritaia]

ok i think that's the weapons sponsons done

need to work out places for all the other bits and bobs carriers have now
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I'm a bit confused as to why you went with two waist-cats and not two bow-cats, considering the additional waist-cat is going to add a lot of weight and take up space a carrier of that size might not have.

it's a good 80k tons, it's not exactly small

also a second bow catapult would reduce available deck park space by about 10 airframes

[Pharthan]

I'm a bit confused as to why you went with two waist-cats and not two bow-cats, considering the additional waist-cat is going to add a lot of weight and take up space a carrier of that size might not have.

it's a good 80k tons, it's not exactly small

also a second bow catapult would reduce available deck park space by about 10 airframes

Presence of a bow-cat doesn't reduce available deck space at all.
You just park them over the cat like we actually do IRL.

[Laritaia]

it's a good 80k tons, it's not exactly small

also a second bow catapult would reduce available deck park space by about 10 airframes

Presence of a bow-cat doesn't reduce available deck space at all.
You just park them over the cat like we actually do IRL.

if you pretty much always have aircraft parked onto of it you may as well not have it, on top of that the interaction between the forward aircraft lift and a second bow catapult would be less then desirable, further reducing it's usability.

Then there is the fact that the forward port CIWS would have to be relocated somewhere else along with the forward most weapons lift.

[Ormata]

Here's a question.

Is it possible to have a merchantman, of 200 m. in length, that has an F-35 or F-35 equivalent, that can function as both an aircraft platform and effective cargo vessel?

[Laritaia]

Here's a question.

Is it possible to have a merchantman, of 200 m. in length, that has an F-35 or F-35 equivalent, that can function as both an aircraft platform and effective cargo vessel?

what you're looking for is called SCADS

http://www.combatreform.org/SCADS.jpg

[Ormata]

Here's a question.

Is it possible to have a merchantman, of 200 m. in length, that has an F-35 or F-35 equivalent, that can function as both an aircraft platform and effective cargo vessel?

what you're looking for is called SCADS

http://www.combatreform.org/SCADS.jpg

But can this still function as a cargo vessel? I mean, it just...doesn't look like it.

And there's a reason why I chose the F-35. VTOL capabilities would eliminate the need of a long, annoying runway.

[Laritaia]

what you're looking for is called SCADS

http://www.combatreform.org/SCADS.jpg

But can this still function as a cargo vessel? I mean, it just...doesn't look like it.

And there's a reason why I chose the F-35. VTOL capabilities would eliminate the need of a long, annoying runway.

With the SCADS system the ship's holds are still available for the carriage of cargo, the containerized flight deck and defensive systems are only 4 containers high from deck level up.

Also F-35 cannot operate purely vertically, like the harrier before it, if it wants to be able to carry any sort of warload it has to use a short runway.

[Ormata]

But can this still function as a cargo vessel? I mean, it just...doesn't look like it.

And there's a reason why I chose the F-35. VTOL capabilities would eliminate the need of a long, annoying runway.

With the SCADS system the ship's holds are still available for the carriage of cargo, the containerized flight deck and defensive systems are only 4 containers high from deck level up.

Also F-35 cannot operate purely vertically, like the harrier before it, if it wants to be able to carry any sort of warload it has to use a short runway.

Blyat. I'll just use my AV-8Bs, then.

[Laritaia]

With the SCADS system the ship's holds are still available for the carriage of cargo, the containerized flight deck and defensive systems are only 4 containers high from deck level up.

Also F-35 cannot operate purely vertically, like the harrier before it, if it wants to be able to carry any sort of warload it has to use a short runway.

Blyat. I'll just use my AV-8Bs, then.

.... AV-8Bs are harriers


they still need a runway

[Ormata]

Blyat. I'll just use my AV-8Bs, then.

.... AV-8Bs are harriers


they still need a runway

Alrighty. Thanks.

Should be interesting.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

Did somebody say Aircraft Carrier?

Argent Class Supercarrier

Basic Information:

• Role: Aircraft Carrier
• Displacement: 126,000 tons full load
• Complement: 1,600 crew + 2,400 air wing
• Length: 393 m
• Beam (flight deck): 87 m
• Beam (waterline): 40 m
• Draft: 20 m

Propulsion:

• 2x Sydicate Dynamics A5S 550 MWt (200MWe) Ultra-High Temperature Reactors (UHTRs)
• 4x helium/nitrogen closed-cycle gas turbine generators
• 4x 2MW backup diesel generators
• 4x 70MW superconducting homopolar (SCH) motors
• 4x ducted waterjet propulsors, 280 MW (364,000 shp) total

Performance:

• Top Speed: 34 knots
• Range: crew endurance

Sensors:

• SN/SPY-8 MFR + SN/SPY-9 VSR Dual X/L Band Radar (DBR)
• SN/SPN-48 Joint Precision Approach Landing System (JPALS)
• SN/AAQ-116 Multispectral Distributed Aperture System (MDAS)
• SN/SQR-20 Multi-function towed array sonar

Countermeasures:

• SN/SLY-3 Advanced Integrated Electronic Warfare System (AIEWS)
• SN/SSQ-140 Ship Signal Exploitation Equipment
• Mk 60 Active Decoy Launching System
• Surface Ship Torpedo Defense (SSTD) System
  

Armament:

• 64x electromagnetic vertical launch (EVLS) cells
• 4x 40mm CT GWS
• 4x 150 kW Tactical Laser Systems (TLS)
• 1x 1.5MW Free Electron Laser (FEL)

Aircraft Carried:

• 95 aircraft and tiltrotors

Aviation Facilities

• 4x EMALS catapults
• 4x deck edge lifts
• below deck hangar

The Argent class supercarrier is powered by two Sydicate Dynamics A5S Ultra-High Temperature Reactors (UHTRs) which each put out 550 megawatts of thermal energy. The A5S reactor is an advanced 4th generation reactor which uses molten salt as coolant and uses a core consisting of concentric rings of hexagonal graphite block embedded with coated fuel particles with the entire assembly surrounded by a hexagonal graphite reflector. These fuel particles act as miniature pressure vessels, isolating fission products both during and after operation and therefore minimizing radioactive release. The annular core of the A5S consist of 300 fuel rods reactor and measures four meters in diameter and eight meters in height. Heat transferred to the molten salt coolant is used to drive a series of closed cycle gas turbine generators which supply linear bus with AC current which is used to distribute electrical power the ships propulsive plant and other systems.

The A5S burns QUADRISO fuel particles which consists of a Tristructural-isotropic (TRISO) fuel particle with an additional burnable neutron poison layer. TRISO fuel particle consists of a uranium dioxide (UO₂) enriched to 93% U235 surrounded by a four layers; a dense inner layer of pyrolytic carbon (PyC), a layer of silicon carbide (SiC) which increases the structural integrity of the particle and enable it to retain fission products at high temperatures, and another layer of pyrolitic carbon which forms the outer shell of the fuel particle. Each QUADRISO particle, which is approximately 650 microns in diameter, is formed by surrounding the TRISO particle with a layer of erbium as the burnable neutron poison which acts to compensate for the depletion of the TRISO fuel. After being irradiated the erebium poison depletes and neutrons stream into the fuel kernel and induces fission reactions which compensates for the fuel depletion of the TRISO fuel .The coolant is a lithium fluoride (LiF) and beryllium fluoride (BeF2) molten fluoride salt which operates a peak coolant temperature of over 1200 degrees C which is used to flow past the graphite fuel blocks in order to moderate the fast neutrons emitted by the fuel particles into slow neutrons. Heat is transferred from the reactor core by the primary molten-salt coolant to an intermediate heat-transfer loop where a secondary molten-salt coolant loop then transfers the heat to the brayton cycle turbine for electrical power generation. The coolant is circulated using a series of noiseless magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) pumps which use high-temperate superconducting magnets to generate a magnetic field which circulate the coolant through the coolant loops at a rate of approximately 3 meters per second. In addition to the primary and secondary cooling loops the A5S has a tertiary cooling loop containing KNO₃-NaNO₂-NaNO serves to prevent diffusion of tritium from the primary coolant loop into the gas turbine system via the circulating salt systems. The coolant loop also includes a drain tank cooled by natural circulation of Sodium-Potassium Alloy (NaK). In the event of a reactor shutdown waste heat from the drain tank can be used to power two organic Rankine cycle electrical generators to provide auxiliary power as molten salt enters the drain tank. The A5S reactor itself is constructed primarily from titanium-carbide chemical-vapor deposition coated molybednum alloy with a tungsten intermediate layer which is designed to act as the high-strength structure of the reactor while also being able to withstand the extreme high heat flux emiited by the high temperature molten salt coolant. The reactor core is surrounded by a graphite blanket that insulates the fuel rods and coolant from the reactor vessel which itself is constructed from oxide-dispersion strengthened (ODS) ferritic steel.

Thermal energy from the reactor is converted into electricity via two superconducting generators driven by a series of multi-reheat closed cycle gas turbines using a 80/20 mix of helium and nitrogen gas by mass as their working fluid. The gas pressure is reduced through multiple turbines in series, with reheating of the gas to its maximum temperature with hot molten salt in three reheat stages before it reaches each turbine. The gas then flows through a recuperator and is compressed in multiple stages with a three stage seawater intercooler. The gas turbines are a twin spool design using a centrifugal compressor with three high pressure stages and two low pressure stages and a turbine with two high pressure and five low pressure stages with the shafts suspended on active magnetic bearings in order eliminate shaft friction and provide a large amount of vibration dampening to reduce the acoustic signature of the turbine. The scimitar bladed compressor and turbine rotors are constructed from a high-temperature titanium aluminum alloy and do not require cooling. The output shaft of the turbine drives a brushless AC superconducting AC generator cooled using compressed helium which spins at 3600 rpm and is directly driven by the turbine. A frequency converter in the AC generator also allows the generator to function as a motor in order to initially start the turbine. The AC generators provide power to a linear main bus which then feeds both the ship's prime overs and various electrical loads across the ship.

[Theodosiya]

AFAIK, Russia develops and use Corvettes in various sizes. Should i stick to my 9814 or also add the 10514 too?

[Lamoni]

10514 is a light frigate.

[Pharthan]

Presence of a bow-cat doesn't reduce available deck space at all.
You just park them over the cat like we actually do IRL.

if you pretty much always have aircraft parked onto of it you may as well not have it, on top of that the interaction between the forward aircraft lift and a second bow catapult would be less then desirable, further reducing it's usability.

Then there is the fact that the forward port CIWS would have to be relocated somewhere else along with the forward most weapons lift.

If you need all three cats to launch planes, then you just move more aircraft aft. You already can't use the waist cat if you're landing planes, so you just move aircraft into position in the landing-strip, ready to be moved quickly if need be.
Planes can be moved.

[Theodosiya]

So, a light, a medium and a heavy frigate?

[The Akasha Colony]

So, a light, a medium and a heavy frigate?

There is no answer to this question.

It depends on your needs and your budget. Many nations have several categories of frigate ranging from small general purpose ones for basic patrol work all the way up to complex anti-air frigates that cost well over a billion dollars each.